Fight Hudood, Protect Women

`` Until now rape cases were dealt with in Sharia courts. Victims had to have four male witnesses to the crime – if not, they faced prosecution for adultery.``

This is a blatant and groundless lie. As a journalist, do you think that, you have some responsibility towards yourself?

Re: # 2

If you are so cultured, enlightened, and modern then why doesn`t it show in your communication. You always seem to be angry with everyone all the time. Do you want all of us to become like you? Is this what you preach?

Sharia -- Sharia -- Sharia -- Islam`s undoing is its ``tusma pa`` sharia.

Islam is a brilliantly plumed peacock but with utterly deformed ugly feet afflicted with a primitive, barbaric, decadent and debilitating disease sharia -- unless this disfiguring cancer is dissected out of body and feet of Islam we Muslims will remain politically chaotic, socially retarded, intellectually infantile and spiritually bankrupt.

my dear brother Urs -- you accuse Beena or BBC of ``blatant and groundless lie`` -- and then you accuse me of being ``angry with everyone``.....:)

Beena, welcome “back” and thanks for this detailed chronology.

Sometimes, we get so preoccupied with the present that we forget the past. It is difficult to believe, but it is true that most of the damage to what used to be a relatively secular population was done over the last generation – although it is also crystal clear that the preparatory groundwork – developing the mindset which made it possible for such devastation to take place without the slightest murmur from those affected, occurred during the previous generation – starting with the partition. In my personal opinion, one of the greatest hypocrisies that many contemporary Pakistani politicians indulge in is to give lip-service to denouncing such things as the Hudood ordinance, while simultaneously praising the partition of the land which facilitated conditions that make such ordinances possible.

I wish organizations like the WAF the best of luck. Sometimes, I worry that they are fighting a losing battle – trying to help people who have decided to refuse all help and are comfortable in their misery – in fact sometimes making a virtue of such misery! Too many political and non-political actors seem to have developed a stake in keeping the status-quo and even exacerbating it.

#2 Nasah

Nasah sahib, your peacock analogy reminds me of the following stanza from my piece “Of the Saints and the Wicked” published on another web-site.

“…They lie, and lie - they thrive in lies
Have lies for snacks - main course is lies
Sweet words, like peacock - can they say
Note kin - that bird`s peculiar way

The peacock - heart of stone, partakes
For lunch - the most venomous snakes!...”

I mention this piece because of the ``peacock`` part - no sinister inferences are to be drawn from it! :)

``Cheney Converts to Islam
Posted by Eric Kenning on March 02, 2007

Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota, was sworn in as the nation’s first Muslim member of Congress in early January, but he is not the highest-ranking Muslim official in the United States. That honor belongs to Vice President Dick Cheney, who during one of his many trips to Saudi Arabia in the 1990s on behalf of Halliburton secretly converted to Wahabbi Islam, a rigorous fundamentalist version of the faith.``

This may explain the brotherly bond between the House of Wahab and the Cheney`s House of Iraqi Shish Kebob.

Women alone can bring about the change they would like to see, because all Muslim Pakistani men are impotent. 6th century tribal Arabic barbaric code has no place in today’s world, be it in Pakistan, Arabia, Nigeria, or Jordan. Gender specific laws are the worst form of institutionalized discrimination. If a woman has to produce 4 ‘male’ witnesses to prove a rape (considering that 4 pious Muslim men will be watching the poor girl being raped – quite possible), then a man victim of rape should be asked to produce 4 women to prove his case.

Bina:

Good read. My wish is that if you can moderate it so that women speak out more on this, than fundamentalists males.

``Women alone can bring about the change they would like to see, because all Muslim Pakistani men are impotent.``(kulharee)

The amazing thing about Pakistani men in power is that they are such under achievers -- they get so happy with so little -- Musharraf feels he created a `milestone` just by amending the goddam Hudood `laws` -- had no guts to abolish it -- if he would have -- ``khoda nu khaastay`` -- abolished it -- I don`t know, he might have died of heart attack!

One day the gutsy women of Pakistan will indeed empty this Hudood trashcan over the heads of the Pakistani male chauvinist pigs -- Inshallah soon.

#10 nasah

[One day the gutsy women of Pakistan will indeed empty this Hudood trashcan over the heads of the Pakistani male chauvinist pigs -- Inshallah soon.]

Ham intzaar karengey, tera Qayaamat tak
Khuda karey ki, Qayaaamat ho, aur tuuu...aye!

Dear Writer:

Thanks for bringing up a very much needed and sensitive issue for Pakistani women.

Your initiative and stand on this controversial Hudood ordinance is very well taken, understood and appreciated.

My understanding for hudood ordinance is that it is propagated by some screwed minded, ignorant, illiterate, inhumane and chauvinistic mullahs exclusively based on their own idiotic and disrupted thought process with extremely biased approach to suppress and oppress the weak female gender, to take control of her life for their own pleasures. I searched Quran and some other unbiased text books, I did not find anything as much cruel as this Hudood Ordinance is. And the claim by these perverted mullahs that Hudood Ordinance is according to Islamic teachings is totally WRONG, it is actually a skewed and misinterpretations of Quran and other Islamic books.

Mullahs treat women as half humans in every aspect of life and this is exactly another try from their screwed minds to prove that women are just half humans nothing else.

I read a case of a 13 years old BLIND girl who got raped by two men (father and son) in Pakistan and only due to this Hudood ordinance they got VINDICATION and the poor girl got punishment for committing adultery.

I believe hudood ordinance should be stopped immediately without even wasting more time in discussions and forums. Only a cruel human will favor such skewed mullah made laws who are not even humans in my pov.

In Pakistan there is an emergency situation as for as Women rights are concerned, they are being violated openly in the name of Hudood ordinance and nobody can question Mullahs as they are afraid of Mullahs barbaric wrath. In Pakistani society there is very well established violence and discrimination against women in every aspect of life, women folks are more than half of the citizens of Pakistan and that`s the main reason Pakistan is regressing more and more even in today`s modern day and age.

I strongly believe there should be an accountability for all the crimes against women in Pakistan @ a wider level. How can Pakistani society thrive , if, half of it`s population is being deprived of basic human right, if half of it`s population is being oppressed, if half of it`s population is being suppressed, if half of it`s population is being truly violated for it`s rights,

I strongly believe that Pakistan cannot prosper until it won`t recognize women as equal humans to men in every aspect, until it won`t give an equal opportunity and equal respect for all Pakistani women according to the true values of Islam without skewing them for Mullahs own ill wishes.
Thanks

We moderates have to recognize that we are the first casuality of pandering with mullahs. The moment we start scoffing at their stupid claims and laugh them off, they become impotent and useless to do any harm. The problem happened because some of us USED these mullahs to control other moderates. This started with Pakistan turing into an ``Islamic Republic``, and ulemas became important in such a setup. The only solution is to roll back Pakistan as a ``Secular Republic`` and throwing a few pieces of bones at the mullahs to keep them busy.

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ballukhan

Very well said. You read my mind. Can`t agree more.

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PS: I would have really wanted to get out of this tit for tat cycle and I had practised utmost restraint for many weeks now, but freaks like BJkumar leave me no choice but to respond with facts. In coming hours and days, I shall denude once again, the true cancer of society and humanity, subcontinent`s original fascist terrorist who goes by the name of ``Mahatma`` Gandhi.

For this I apologise to my Indian friends in advance.