Pakistan Shinning I - Propoganda or Reality
Zarrar Said March 8, 2007
#88 Posted by bhairav on March 13, 2007 1:39:39 pm
Justice Chaudhary doing morning calisthenics! Shocking !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNr0DF-AgX4
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#87 Posted by bhairav on March 13, 2007 1:27:15 pm
Kinda Sexy Justice Chaudhary Video !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQDP8U6GF2g
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#86 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 9:45:33 am
...contd ..
...and the Pakistani nation is neither defeated or subjugated. It is alive and throbbing as you can see in front of your eyes.
Please have confidence in your nation.
...and the Pakistani nation is neither defeated or subjugated. It is alive and throbbing as you can see in front of your eyes.
Please have confidence in your nation.
#85 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 9:43:35 am
#83 by Urstruly
Urstruly, his tie was certainly askew and his shirt sort of crumpled, but I don`t think anyone manhandled him. It was the crush of the crowd in which he insisted on walking instead of taking the official transport.
Urstruly, his tie was certainly askew and his shirt sort of crumpled, but I don`t think anyone manhandled him. It was the crush of the crowd in which he insisted on walking instead of taking the official transport.
#84 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 9:32:59 am
#79 by bulleya,
I have this complaint with you. You do not examine things in detail, even though you have the best intentions.
You say:
...civilian govts. in Pakistan, have always had the lowest ecnomic growth....
Which civilian governments? I guess the ZAB government was the first real civilian government, but what did it inherit? A country split in half alongwith half of assets, reserves, revenues, and exports of West Pakistan to East Pakistan. Half of the PIA fleet stranded in E. Pak and streaming civil employees to provide jobs in W. Pak. 90,000 POWs in India, 1200 km of territory under Indian occupation. Is that correct? It took upto 1973 to get these sorted out and then the oil shock. That wasted another year as well as drained whatever resources were left and the Rupee devalued 27% in one go. The nuclear program had its own heavy demands as well. Now we`re in 1975 and less than two years left before he was deposed battling reactionaries all the while. What did you expect from him?
Benazir/Nawaz Sharif`s each of the two terms were during the heavily sanctioned 90s when Pak could not even export to USA or most of EU, let alone economic aid or even hard loans. The remnants of the Afghan war had its own dynamics and in any event what can you do in a 2-2 1/2 year tenure each? Still NS managed to do a lot and in fact the master-plan he made is still being followed. Then the very timely nuke test. Has anyone thought how Pakistan tested six nukes within 15 days of India`s? The preperations had cost a lot of economic progress.
Therefore, I humbly submit that your contentions are largely unfair when you talk about civilian governments. None of them were bad, but none of them were allowed to work.
I have this complaint with you. You do not examine things in detail, even though you have the best intentions.
You say:
...civilian govts. in Pakistan, have always had the lowest ecnomic growth....
Which civilian governments? I guess the ZAB government was the first real civilian government, but what did it inherit? A country split in half alongwith half of assets, reserves, revenues, and exports of West Pakistan to East Pakistan. Half of the PIA fleet stranded in E. Pak and streaming civil employees to provide jobs in W. Pak. 90,000 POWs in India, 1200 km of territory under Indian occupation. Is that correct? It took upto 1973 to get these sorted out and then the oil shock. That wasted another year as well as drained whatever resources were left and the Rupee devalued 27% in one go. The nuclear program had its own heavy demands as well. Now we`re in 1975 and less than two years left before he was deposed battling reactionaries all the while. What did you expect from him?
Benazir/Nawaz Sharif`s each of the two terms were during the heavily sanctioned 90s when Pak could not even export to USA or most of EU, let alone economic aid or even hard loans. The remnants of the Afghan war had its own dynamics and in any event what can you do in a 2-2 1/2 year tenure each? Still NS managed to do a lot and in fact the master-plan he made is still being followed. Then the very timely nuke test. Has anyone thought how Pakistan tested six nukes within 15 days of India`s? The preperations had cost a lot of economic progress.
Therefore, I humbly submit that your contentions are largely unfair when you talk about civilian governments. None of them were bad, but none of them were allowed to work.
#83 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2007 9:10:29 am
Chief justice of Pakistan was beaten up and his clothes torn apart by security officers:
#82 Posted by PewResearch on March 13, 2007 9:03:00 am
Re: # 79 Bulleya
This latest blunder by Musharraf is his Kargilgate and will lead to his downfall, just as Kargil precipated Nawaz Sharif`s.
This latest blunder by Musharraf is his Kargilgate and will lead to his downfall, just as Kargil precipated Nawaz Sharif`s.
#81 Posted by nasah on March 13, 2007 7:52:42 am
``Such event result in an unpredictable uprising against authority.......Could the suspension of the CJ be one of those events.......One must assume Musharraf was not expecting such a tidal wave of opposition........The lawyers have initiated it.........And now all the political parties have joined in........The press is already in.......Now what about the aam shehri, i.e. normal citizen.......``
well omair -- the `aam shehri` in that elitist subcontinent does not count -- may be as Musharraf`s paymasters are planning: ``General Hyat, who is secular like Mr. Musharraf, would/(should) hold the real power. (NYT)`` -- and restore democracy as Aslam Baig did.
well omair -- the `aam shehri` in that elitist subcontinent does not count -- may be as Musharraf`s paymasters are planning: ``General Hyat, who is secular like Mr. Musharraf, would/(should) hold the real power. (NYT)`` -- and restore democracy as Aslam Baig did.
#80 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2007 7:14:21 am
Re: # 69
Pakistani nation is not a defeated nation, it is a subjugated nation. There is a difference. There are people who are fighting against this oppression at all levels - at ideological level, political level, and in hand to hand combat. Those who have taken steps to get the nation out of this subjugation are being bombed, kidnapped, tortured or simply made to disappear. What more do you want? People of Pakistan are being terrorized into subjugation when simple infractions like kite flying are tried in Anti-Terrorist courts. Don`t you see that ultimately situation has come to that that public officials, memebers of bureaucracy, police, judiciary, are being attcked by so called ``terrorists`` now. Who are these terrorists any way? Arabs? For God`s sakes wake up and look around you. The country is on the verge of a civil war. In my personal opinion, unfortunately, we as a nation have missed the time for a reconcilliation - a reconcilliation between the oppressive corrupt class and the people of Pakistan. There was a time for a magna carta in this country but the corrupt ruling elite at the behest of their foreign masters and in their collosal arrogance have missed the boat. From now on everything will lead in only one direction - an Iranian style uprrising. The inevitability can be delayed but cannot be avoided now.
Pakistani nation is not a defeated nation, it is a subjugated nation. There is a difference. There are people who are fighting against this oppression at all levels - at ideological level, political level, and in hand to hand combat. Those who have taken steps to get the nation out of this subjugation are being bombed, kidnapped, tortured or simply made to disappear. What more do you want? People of Pakistan are being terrorized into subjugation when simple infractions like kite flying are tried in Anti-Terrorist courts. Don`t you see that ultimately situation has come to that that public officials, memebers of bureaucracy, police, judiciary, are being attcked by so called ``terrorists`` now. Who are these terrorists any way? Arabs? For God`s sakes wake up and look around you. The country is on the verge of a civil war. In my personal opinion, unfortunately, we as a nation have missed the time for a reconcilliation - a reconcilliation between the oppressive corrupt class and the people of Pakistan. There was a time for a magna carta in this country but the corrupt ruling elite at the behest of their foreign masters and in their collosal arrogance have missed the boat. From now on everything will lead in only one direction - an Iranian style uprrising. The inevitability can be delayed but cannot be avoided now.
#79 Posted by bulleya on March 13, 2007 7:00:32 am
...There are certain event(s), which occur and gain a life of their own, in politics......Such event result in an unpredictable uprising against authority.......Could the suspension of the CJ be one of those events.......One must assume Musharraf was not expecting such a tidal wave of opposition........The lawyers have initiated it.........And now all the political parties have joined in........The press is already in.......Now what about the aam shehri, i.e. normal citizen.......
........In Pakistan, the aam shehri balances economic growth with institutional decay.....There has been, no doubt, quite a bit of economic growth under Musharraf.......However, there has been a huge amount of institutional decay, as well......The Executive is destroyed, the Legislature is destroyed, and the Judiciary is destroyed.......Granted civilian rulers do the same, however, they do not have a disciplined institution like the Army behind them, hence they cannot do as much damage........At the same time, civilian govts. in Pakistan, have always had the lowest ecnomic growth....
.....So the aam shehri is now trying to decide, does he/she join this gathering storm against Musharraf, or does he still consider the economic progress more important.......So far, he has considered economic progress more important and has thus never come out on the street aqainst Musharraf, despite the urging of political parties.........Let`s see what happens now.......
........In Pakistan, the aam shehri balances economic growth with institutional decay.....There has been, no doubt, quite a bit of economic growth under Musharraf.......However, there has been a huge amount of institutional decay, as well......The Executive is destroyed, the Legislature is destroyed, and the Judiciary is destroyed.......Granted civilian rulers do the same, however, they do not have a disciplined institution like the Army behind them, hence they cannot do as much damage........At the same time, civilian govts. in Pakistan, have always had the lowest ecnomic growth....
.....So the aam shehri is now trying to decide, does he/she join this gathering storm against Musharraf, or does he still consider the economic progress more important.......So far, he has considered economic progress more important and has thus never come out on the street aqainst Musharraf, despite the urging of political parties.........Let`s see what happens now.......
#78 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 3:59:54 am
#76 by SR
.. well actually .. there`s a very descriptive acronym ascribed to specimens of the category of your adressee of the subject post, coined and copyrighted (with the undersigned having been granted exclusive rights for its use) by a very illustrious and prolific inventive genius of Chowk named ali_1, and it is (drum roll):
BhindiDicks
.. well actually .. there`s a very descriptive acronym ascribed to specimens of the category of your adressee of the subject post, coined and copyrighted (with the undersigned having been granted exclusive rights for its use) by a very illustrious and prolific inventive genius of Chowk named ali_1, and it is (drum roll):
BhindiDicks
#77 Posted by SR on March 13, 2007 3:38:44 am
Re: # 49 nash {``...you come out as a bone tired apologist -- what happened?....``}
Having always spoken my mind, regardless of consequences, for over half a century, I have at last become ``bone tired``... yes, I admit it. Now as I consider reverse migration I am training myself to follow the Old Indian Proverb that says, ``Those who live in the river, should not make enemies with the crocodile.``
I could have done that in America and joined the hamidm and tahmed club, but its too late for that. I`ll open up a Paki version of their club instead.
...SR
Having always spoken my mind, regardless of consequences, for over half a century, I have at last become ``bone tired``... yes, I admit it. Now as I consider reverse migration I am training myself to follow the Old Indian Proverb that says, ``Those who live in the river, should not make enemies with the crocodile.``
I could have done that in America and joined the hamidm and tahmed club, but its too late for that. I`ll open up a Paki version of their club instead.
...SR
#76 Posted by SR on March 13, 2007 3:15:33 am
Re: # 70 arjun2 {``... had more balls than ... when dick came-a-calling...``}
Since you seem to be preoccupied with BALLS and DICk I had to wonder Why? So I did what you so love to do... I Googled for a clue... BBC provided a possible hint...
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India concludes that condoms made according
to international sizes are too big for most Indian men.
Condoms `too big` for Indian men
Since you seem to be preoccupied with BALLS and DICk I had to wonder Why? So I did what you so love to do... I Googled for a clue... BBC provided a possible hint...
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India concludes that condoms made according
to international sizes are too big for most Indian men.
Condoms `too big` for Indian men
#75 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 3:08:33 am
Justice Iftikhar refuses to appear before SJC
Updated at 1320 PST
ISLAMABAD: “Non-functional” Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry refused to appear before the Supreme Judicial Council on Tuesday.
It was expected. So the CJ has taken the line of challenging the legitimacy of the Supreme Judicial Council in the absence of the senior-most judga Rana Bhagwan Das, and refused to appear before it. Ball in the other side of the court now.
Updated at 1320 PST
ISLAMABAD: “Non-functional” Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry refused to appear before the Supreme Judicial Council on Tuesday.
It was expected. So the CJ has taken the line of challenging the legitimacy of the Supreme Judicial Council in the absence of the senior-most judga Rana Bhagwan Das, and refused to appear before it. Ball in the other side of the court now.
#74 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 2:06:36 am
#69 by bulleya
I don`t know why you`re railing against Punjabi judges. It is the Punjab Bar Association which is at the forefront and got lathi-charged yesterday. I saw an elderly senior Supreme Court Counsel with his bandaged head sitting in a talk-show. The Faisalabad Bar has suspended the membership of the sitting Federal Law Minister Wasi Zafar. It is these very same lawyers who qualify for High-Court benches and then the Supreme Court.
I don`t know why you`re railing against Punjabi judges. It is the Punjab Bar Association which is at the forefront and got lathi-charged yesterday. I saw an elderly senior Supreme Court Counsel with his bandaged head sitting in a talk-show. The Faisalabad Bar has suspended the membership of the sitting Federal Law Minister Wasi Zafar. It is these very same lawyers who qualify for High-Court benches and then the Supreme Court.
#73 Posted by zeemax on March 13, 2007 1:37:08 am
#68 by vanguard
Agreed with your comments.
Re the `Rahnuma`, he is in shared power in Sind. If he goes with the mainstream opinion which is almost 100% in favour of CJ, surprisingly including some Government benches as well such as Sher Afgan Niazi and the Advocate General of Sind, then he stands to lose if Musharraf wins in the end. So he`s carefully watching and waiting while keeping mum for approaches from either side so that he can extract the maximum benefit in the succeeding scenario. He`s a wily bugger.
But personally, re bulleya`s scenarios, I believe there is no way out except a martial-law or even another coup unless the superior judiciary choses to be relegated to the status of the touts sitting under `chappars` outside the city courts in the eyes of mass public opinion.
Agreed with your comments.
Re the `Rahnuma`, he is in shared power in Sind. If he goes with the mainstream opinion which is almost 100% in favour of CJ, surprisingly including some Government benches as well such as Sher Afgan Niazi and the Advocate General of Sind, then he stands to lose if Musharraf wins in the end. So he`s carefully watching and waiting while keeping mum for approaches from either side so that he can extract the maximum benefit in the succeeding scenario. He`s a wily bugger.
But personally, re bulleya`s scenarios, I believe there is no way out except a martial-law or even another coup unless the superior judiciary choses to be relegated to the status of the touts sitting under `chappars` outside the city courts in the eyes of mass public opinion.
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