Pakistan Shinning I - Propoganda or Reality

Re: # 39
As a president, president has power to fire prime miniter or chief justice.
It may not be in spirit of Law but its according to law and people should stop posing affront to decisions as it is comtempt of court..
I am not lawyer but lawyer or law studied people can really tell what law says.
Person like YLH can throw real light, hope he can put if it is permissible by law of land.

``Pakistan Shining I`` -- the Kafkaesque world of Musharraf`s Pakistan. Here is a piece from a Pakistan newspaper The Nation:


CJ family`s ordeal in SMSs

IMAN HASAN
ISLAMABAD—”A lot of armed people are inside the house and we are restricted to one room,” said a text message sent by the frightened daughter of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry to one of her friend on Friday evening.

The message was part of a sole communication link established secretly by the teenage daughter of the Chief Justice with one of her very close friend and a class fellow. This was the only link the whole family of seven had with the outer world.

The link could not be severed by the armed persons, who had taken over the house of the Chief Justice, cordoned off the entire neighbourhood and blocked all the landline and cell phone connections, as the Chief Justice’s daughter had managed to keep the cell phone hidden inside the room.

“We are restricted to one room,” another message sent at 8:00 pm on Friday night by her said. The teenager stayed in that room along with her parents, two other sisters and two brothers. The youngest of the brother, who is six years old, was totally freaked out because of the chaos that was unfolding around them.

Earlier, at around 3:00 pm she called her friend and told her to direct other friends not to call or SMS her. She didn’t give any details and told her friend that she will tell her the details later.

Later at 6:00 in the evening she called her friend again from a landline and told her, “My father has been told to leave the office and is now under house arrest.”
And the phone disconnected abruptly...... (The Nation)

Funny how the biggest proponent of checks and balances lets his ego and influence grow unchecked from being the chief parton of Cricket Board to being the judge and jury when a doctor was raped by an Army captain at Sui Gas to sacking of supreme court judge. This is a guy who said when Mukhtaran Mai applied for US Visa that women falsely claimed to be raped to get foreign nationality.

Why do proponents of Musharraf forget that he is a man after all and not some divine being. He has left all institutions in shambles. What happens when he leaves which he will sooner or later voluntarily or involuntarily with or without the Mango crates. It will be chaos and all that have been achieved (at the cost of increase indebtedness and inflation) will be washed way leaving the nation with indebtedness and high costs only. The biggest crime of Musharraf is that he has destroyed all institutions and finally pulled the crutches from under the judiciary.

As faiz said,
Nisar main teri galyon pe aye watan ke jahan
chali hai rasm ke koi na sar utha ke chalay

Today`s editorial in Dawn:

``one is appalled to see the photograph of a general in (his pathetic) uniform calling the country’s Chief Justice to his “camp office” as if the latter were a ‘suspect’ in a case of embezzlement, thus stripping him of the dignity to which he was entitled to by virtue of the office he held.

Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry was then not allowed to return to his office and was “escorted” home. Gen Musharraf has made a reference against him to the Supreme Judicial Council, and the media has published a list of the alleged acts of malfeasance by Mr Justice Chaudhry........

.........it is difficult to avoid the suspicion that some of his verdicts had irked the government and for that reason it did not wish an independent Chief Justice to be in office at a time when the apex court could be called upon to decide vital constitutional issues in the light of continued reports that President Musharraf will retain the two offices and that the existing assemblies will re-elect him as president for another term.

In some other cases, too, he had been bold — like reversing the sale of Pakistan Steel, stopping the decision of the Capital Development Authority to turn a public park into a mini-golf course, and taking suo motu actions to make some highly progressive and popular decisions concerning human rights, women and environment.

However, the decision that must have hurt the government relates to “disappearances”, of which there have been quite a few in the context of the war on terror......

.......A larger question is Pakistan’s image.......Friday’s treatment of the Chief Justice is hardly the episode that will cast Pakistan in a better image abroad. In fact, it will have a negative impact on the world and add to the impressions abroad that Pakistan is just another Muslim country (The Kindom of Al Mush-al-ruffian) where the ruler’s word is the law. (DAWN)


I think Musharraf`s goose is cooked this time.

Btw Zee -- that `pimp` Naeem has been stripped of his bar license by the Pakistan Bar Association -- and com`on SR you can do better than ur post #35.

#35 by SR

SR, I`m amazed at your post. You should know better.

Firstly, the CJ was not removed over that pimp naeem bukhari`s letter. I`m sure you well remember who he is and his family because I do. CJ was removed over a pending and unpublicised case about the president`s holding of two offices on which he was about to rule. That idiot`s open letter never warranted an action of this enormity and scale. so you should have thought over it a bit more.

Next, the issues on which the CJ was either taking suo-moto actions or deciding are vital for the future of Pakistan like the steel mill scam and the missing persons production by giving notices to the law-enforcing organs of the State.

I fail to see your wisdom in arguing `` but it is not relevant to the life and well being of the proverbial ``bulk of the country`` and dismissing the ruination of one of the trichotomy of state power by the attempt of one to devour the other, as just `` good copy for the New York Times.``

Highly disappointing to say the least. Or have you recently joined hamidm`s club?

Re: # 32 nash {``... The audacity of a corrupt to the bone criminal sepoy who hijacked an elected government at gunpoint and self-coronated himself as the `president` of the country -- calling the honesty of a first independent CJ of Pakistan -- a ``misconduct``! --

The army man has just committed another hijacking ... `Enlightened moderation` my foot -- Musharraf is a shameless imposter. ...``}


Your sentiments are noble indeed. However, it is not always expedient to slavishly follow ``procedure`` and ``system``. There is only one ultimate system globally and that is ``Rab naRHay ya KusHun`` (Is God closer or is my fist?)... Corrupt as the khaki clad band-masters may be, I have no love for our so-called ``democrats`` either.

As for our noble cheap justice, err, I mean the chief justice, I recently read the open letter written by a senior supreme court lawyer to the chief justice complaining about the corruption and abuse of power he`s been engaged in. But now I`m told the lawyer in question has been suspended by the bar and other ``conscientious`` lawyers (hummm... I didn`t know such a being even existed) have gone on strike. So who is one to believe? Maybe ``is hamaam meyN sab nangay naiN`` (all are butt naked in this bathhouse)...

Besides, we have a long standing tradition in Pakistan that when the justices act up we grab them by their earlobes and throw them out on the street as one would domestic servants. Everyone from Ghulam Mohammad`s handlers (he was only an invalid puppet) on down, who could, has done just that. That is all our democrats and soldiers alike. So how does that make this government any different? Why get so excited over this as opposed to the million and one other crimes of everyone from ABC to XYZ?

What is more important in arriving at an opinion is whether the bulk of the country is better off or worse off because of a certain action, event, policy, regulation or legislation. That is the only objective way to judge such things. Getting up on a high horse to expound ideological hyperbole may make good copy for the New York Times but it is not relevant to the life and well being of the proverbial ``bulk of the country``.

...SR

#33 by arjun2

Haha .. this was truly funny ... good going Arjun ..

#32 by nasah on March 10, 2007 11:39am PT

Cheney: bomb the fucking tribals
Mushy: No

Cheney: bomb the fucking tribals or no aid
Mushy: No

Cheney: bomb the fucking tribals or we`ll bomb pakiland
Mushy: No

Cheney: bomb the fucking tribals or I`ll take you quail hunting
Mushy: Gen Abdul. Start the bombing..get those PAF boys on the line...bombs away..

``the general (a paid servant of one branch of the executive) fired the Chief Justice of Pakistan yesterday (the head of a separate branch of government whose, in any civilized society, would be untouchable by the executive, let alone a tinpot ruler who violated the sacred trust a nation places on its military to defend the nation, not use it to gain power himself)!! ``(tahmed)

right tahmed -- of course for a prostitute like Mushrraf any hint of celibacy of CJSC Iftikhar Choudry will be a blatant ``misconduct`` -- the crappy dictator is an incorrigible gungadeen -- craps in his khaki pants before the Chastising Cheney -- a farting foreigner -- who chewed him up and spit on him for not servicing his American clients their dollars worth -- but treats his own native politicians and justices like doormats -- may be this will be the last straw that will break this stupid camel of a man`s back this time.

The audacity of a corrupt to the bone criminal sepoy who hijacked an elected government at gunpoint and self-coronated himself as the `president` of the country -- calling the honesty of a first independent CJ of Pakistan -- a ``misconduct``! --

The army man has just committed another hijacking -- this time of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. `Enlightened moderation` my foot -- Musharraf is a shameless imposter.

#28 by ritux,

Err ... actually if a single reason was chosen for Pakistan`s economic progress, it is the inflow of $18 billion which in turn was due to 9/11 which in turn was due to Usama Bin Laden (as last heard).

So, Thank you, Usama Bin Laden.

As for Bhutto or Shariff, both of theirs two-each short-lived tenures were in the heavily sanctioned 90s not leaving much room for anything much. Still NS achieved a lot and his masterplan is still being followed. These sanctions too were only lifted after 9/11 so again ... Thank You Usama Bin Laden.

(P.S. Re your iLog, if you`re good at mud-slinging, you`ve stumbled on to the right place. If not, don`t think you`ll find much discussion here and will head back soon where you came from)

#29 by vanguard

The first part of your post is the result of sheer ignorance and blindly following organised character-assassination through media and hype. There was no `attack` on the Supreme court. There were scuffles when people holding valid passes to hear the contempt of court proceedings against NS were barred from entering and they tried to enter by force.

The second part is correct.

Nawaz Sharif`s attack on Supreme Court pales in comparison to Musharraf`s yesterdays action.

This sends a clear message to all judges that what can happen to them if they invite the ire of Supreme General, Judge and Jury of Pakistan. So much for independence of judiciary and justice

Re: # 27

Mushy has done more good for Pak than Bhutto or Shariff. The country is in better hands now than before the coup. Show some grattitude to the man.

#26 by bulleya

Well .. why I think this is a particularly sad day which has never been seen before, including the Sajjad Ali Shah episode to which you draw attention, is as below:

CJ was summoned to the Army house and asked to resign by Musharraf. He refused. Then he was made to wait for 5 hours before the `brother` judges alongwith the Attorney General (that old b`stard Sharifuddin who else ...) sorted out the formailities and an Acting CJ took oath. Then he was escorted home and placed under an unannounced house arrest.

It didn`t happen like this in the NS case. In case of Sajjad Ali Shah, he remained CJ till the deliberations of the bench of peers had finished and only then made to leave. In this case, the CJ was dismissed first, and enquiries to be held later.

Constitutionally, noone can dismiss or even suspend a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. His tenure is protected which is 2014 in case of Chaudhary Iftikhar.

I think the decision of the Supreme Judicial Council is a foregone conclusion. Else, there will be Martial Law. The only people who can take some action are the Bar Associations. But who`s going to mobilize them?

zeemax #24:.......i agree with you.......

......i had an interesting discussion with one of the leading PPP guys.....he was one of those who had suffered quite a bit during military rule.......he asked me what the greatest strength of the army was in domestic affairs......i said it never allowed its top leadership to be divided.........he agreed.......if you notice, regardless of what happens, the army`s general never ditch their chief.......politicians have tried to divide them for a long time, but have been unsuccessful.........nawaz sharif tried to divide them, but they stuck with musharraf, who was the coas........

.........unfortunately, the army, quite conveniently, divides everyone........politicians, judiciary, etc...........first it used the pml, which agreed to jump on board........then it used the mma.......now, it seems like ppp is ready to do a deal...........

...........the judiciary`s future is actually in its own hands.......it allowed itself to be divided, when it ruled against its own cj, and in favor of nawaz sharif.........it can now rule against musharraf, if it wants......that would be a tipping point.........if it rules against its own cj, then i am afraid, it has no one to blame, but itself......

......i am quite sure the army planned everything out in advance.....quite possible, they have already contacted the appropriate judges.......