On Zillae Huma Usman

#26,

Now I know he/she is a sister! Thanks.

Samar

ZJ,

This one is quite a moving obituary from you. I don`t know much about late Zille Huma but the dastardly act should have been condemned without reservations. But what I see hear is all types of playing around silly arguments.

Though I know it is useless to counter argue, but just to refine my English writing I point out the following :

1. One of them says he/she is against mullahs, as if the murderer is not a mullah. Then he/she goes on further that mullahs are not muslims. Does he/she want us to believe that Arabs are so foolish as to appoint infidels for teaching Quran in Paki madarsas?
2. Everywhere in the world acts of violence are condemned wholeheartedly except in Muslim countries. Today itself Naxalites killed more than fifty policemen in my province and met with denouncements, without ifs and buts, from every quarter including from Marxists themselves. Their ideology is being questioned. Can we say they were not TRUE Naxals and Naxalizm should not be blamed for their acts? Should we say they were psychos?

In fact all these interacters look like psychos themselves, unable to do as simple thing as showing a little sensitivity towards a departed soul and saying a few words of sympathy for her loved ones. And don`t forget, they are intellectuals!

I`m really worried for India because as they say `geography can not be altered`.

Samar

hamidm ...

I think zeemax is upset since you didn`t put him in the same category as Urstruly, his deputy (aka allah mian), and sister zeena. He`s feelig a bit negelcted ... and it`s all your fault ...

brother zeemax,

..... it is not `googling` - i don`t have the time for that ..... it is from the front page of today`s dawn .....

....... i am sure you are delighted by this momentous display of islamic justice and regret not being able to participate in person ........but you can clebrate the occassion in the comfort of your own home - here is how you do it:

......gather your clan around you, take off your shoes and clench your right fist ....... now raise your right arm and at the top of your voice shout ``takbeer!`` ......... your clan will respond with a resounding, ``al-lah o` akbar!`

........... now i have to go and puke before i go for lunch .........

#23 by hamidm2

Thank you arjun2 oops hamidm2. Now you`ve shown your true colours and talents in googling.

Please stick to your true colours unwaveringly :)

Re: # 22

sister zeena,

..... assalaam o` alikum ........ i am sure you, brother urstruly and al-lah mian will be glad to know that islam is well and alive in pakistan :

LANDI KOTAL (Khyber Agency), March 14: A woman and two men were publicly executed in Bara on Wednesday on charges of adultery, official sources said. The sources said that a local council of elders, including activists of the Lashkar-i-Islam, accused Allah Noor and Shahzada of the Kukikhel tribe of having illicit relations with a divorced woman, Taslima, in Akkakhel area.

Announcements were made on loudspeakers from mosques and the three ‘accused’ were brought to an open place after they had been ‘caught’. A large number of people gathered to witness the execution, said a witness.

The council of elders stoned the three before two masked activists of Lashkar-i-Islam shot them with Kalashnikov rifles. Lashkar-i-Islam Amir Mangal Bagh was reported to have been present during the execution.

#18 zeemax
I got your point which surly is very well examplified. All ladies wearing burqa or non burqa have equal rights for their leadership roles in their own sphere.

#21 ramchandar jii

I am not a great Islamic soul, I am just a humble human soul who believes and respects all religions on equal basis, who believes in LIVE AND LET LIVE.

If you read my post#9 , my point of view is as clear as crystal. Anyway, let me put it together again for your great un Islamic soul here.

The man who killed the lady minister was serial killer and serial killers can be from any part of the world irrespective of religion, cast, gender which in this particular case happend to be from Pakistan and from Mullhaism(NOT Muslim), b/c I do not consider Mullahs as Muslims, they are not even near to being Muslims they have their own convoluted set of ideology), even then I will not be running around like a parrot and repeating again and again , oh, b/c of religion this guy killed this lady( religious belief and religion are same).

If, religion has to be blamed for everything that he did then trust me in Pakistan you won`t see majority of women alive. B/c majority of women do not observe burqa or purdha and they roam on streets in jeans and T-shirts with no security guards around. But, they are still alive and living a happy life in Pakistan. I myself go to Pakistan and wear jeans and T-shirts even when I go to the remote areas of Pakistan where Mullahs are in abundance, look I am still alive.

Now, take example of USA, there happen to be numerous serial killers who killed the innocent women same way as this man in question did. There is no Islam there, there is freedom there, then why not even a single American blames that on religion?

Some serial killers happened to be christians, jews, atheists, but, trust me serial killers have their own specific psyche that doesn`t represent any specific religion.

What if samething happens in India? will you blame Hinduism for that? Will you blame India for that?

So, dear brother save yourself a trouble and think before you say something really strong like this......and be fair, come out of this prejudice , open your heart, eyes and mind and then clear your myopic view about Pakistan and any particular religion.

Zeena, Zeemax and Other Great Islamic souls,

A mullah has Islamic education.

He does not like a woman participating in public life, because of his belief system which happens to be Islamic belief system.

He goes and kills this woman.

The question is did mullah kill her or his Islamic belief system killed her.

Or may be Mullah is hiding behind the easily available facade of Islamic belief system and he has some other motive.

Or may be Mullah is mad but he is intelligent enough take the support of Islamic value system.

I can understand why you guys are getting rest less and agitated because what ever happens people or worse even macaca`s with little or no common sense are going to raise the issue of Islamic belief system.

You guys deserve this Islam.

#19 Omar R Quraishi

My dear, you know that is a false analogy unless you were a person of American origin who had become a naturalized Pakistani after moving from US to Pakistan and still retained interest in events ``back home``!

Are you?

Regards.

zahra J -- of course you should ``sick and tired`` of this -- btw as a Pakistani I am sick and tired of the continued incarceration of an overwhelmingly high proportion of African Americans in AMerica`s jails -- hope you will tell your govt to do something about this --

#16 by Zeena

Zeena, imagine the following scenario:

A bunch of t-shirt and jeans clad girl students of Kinnaird College Lahore stage a sit-in in the college gymnasium and refuse to leave over protest of demolition of their swimming pool for road widening. Noone listens to them rather the media starts to call them names so the girls are angry as hell. The Government threatens violence and the girls tell them to take a hike and dig in further. Their boy supporters from St. Anthony`s arrive as well with dandas. After the Govt caves in and agrees to rebuild the pool, the girls are so fed up with being insulted, threatened, and pushed around like common criminals that they now raise their demands and still refuse to leave unless there is a clear apology from the military dictator and democracy restored in the country. Pool or no pool.

Wouldn`t the above girls instantly become national (indeed worldwide) heroines to be hailed and admired as `bold and confident women in leadership roles`?

What is the difference between the above and the girls of Jamia Hafsa?

If you haven`t guessed yet, the only difference is that one set of girls are wearing Burkas while the other set are wearing t-shirt and jeans, while one set goes to a madrassa and the other set goes to Kinnaird College.

Is it that the manner of dress alone can deprive women of being `bold and confident women in leadership roles`? Or is it the kind of schools they go to?

Whatever it is, certainly the mullahs would be doing that because they`re such woman haters. But wait .. I thought Mullahs supported Burkas and madrassas .. so it must be some one else ... but whom? (head scratching).

Besides when all of us do not care for other humans lives equally as we care for ourselves, then we as human progeny have no right to ask for our individual saftey while we are jeopardizing the lives of all innocent humans.

As is the case in current Pakistani Govt.

Re #14 zeemax
[[Is it really a protest against persecution of `bold and confident women in leadership roles` or is it really a rant against Islam and trying to defame it using any lies which turn out to be handy?]]

Well said!

Yes, these pseudo maniacs have made this particular case against religion b/c it is a fashion now-a-days to blame everything on religion and on Pakistan.

I am very much against Mullahs and that`s the biggest fact, but, at the end to blame religion for everything on this mother earth is obviously very disturbing fact which shows a biased and organized hatred towards a religion and ofcourse a country.

Besides Mullahs are NOT Muslims or even near to Islam, that`s clear for even a two years old kid.

In the era of today`s globalization with exploding diversity, the question to ponder is do we really need to blame everything on religion? or to blame it on our deepest differences?

In this particular case as I already have mentioned in my earlier post#9 we should blame it on the mental condition and serial killer psyche of the killer and ofcourse on the Mushy`s Govt. which clearly is unable to give the equal protection rights to all the Pakistani citizens.

Mushy`s security is @ the heig alert whenever his royal highness`s procession proceeds even for few yards, why they failed to provide the same security for this lady minister?

And on top of everything, why this serial killer with well known police record was set free roaming around skeet shooting(in this case poor women)?

And now all these people as usual blaming everything else on religion and Pakistan.......wawawawa! very valid blame game.

Borrowing this board:

The article ``Pakistan Shining-I: Propaganda or Reality `` has been deleted from FP. Is Chowk under censorship because the CJ issue was being discussed on that board?

Even though it is hard for me to indulge in reasonable dialogue with idiots without `testosterone` as this interactor is often accused of, I would like to ask one question in the interest of `reason`:

Is it reasonable to cry hoarse over the murder by a deranged person of a `bold and confident woman in leadership role` by these aana type pseudos, while at the same time condemning the `bold and confident women in leadership roles` of Jamia Hafsa right now battling the entire establishment while staked out under siege for sake of democracy?

Is it really a protest against persecution of `bold and confident women in leadership roles` or is it really a rant against Islam and trying to defame it using any lies which turn out to be handy?

(anyone who does not know the demands of the Jamia Hafsa women need not bother).

Re: # 1 zeemax {``...Were the ... prostitutes he killed ... `bold and confident women in leadership roles`? ...``}

Yes, you better believe they are ... `bold and confident women`... and they may or may not be in leadership roles, though typically many of them are. No jokes. This is in all seriousness.

Over the past 35 years my views about the working girls of Pakistan have undergone a complete change. Having at length interviewed scores of them I firmly conclude that, exceptions aside, in the main, they are a hard working, devoted, loyal, sensitive and sincere lot who lead lives of great personal sacrifice under often dire circumstances for the sake of loved ones. Mostly they are victims of circumstances and carry a lot of personal grief while leading very high risk lives to support orphaned siblings, incapacitated parents or due to other horrendous pressures. I salute them and hold them in high esteem, generally speaking, as a group. I must also add that this is far more than can be said about many (if not most) begumaat from the upper classes who are, exceptions aside, in the main, lazy, self-indulgent, unimaginative, vindictive and more venemous than black widow spiders.

{``...When the deranged psychopath... murdered ... Typical and shallow over-simplification. Blame it all on moulvis. Much ado about nothing...``}

What the murderer did was surely evil and he may simply have been a nut case, nothing more. That is not the problem. The problem would be (and I honestly do not know if it is or is not a problem), if it were the case that some group of people tacitly approved of the act. That would indeed be bad.

I say this because there is this unfortunate folk legend about another psychopathic murderer who, sadly, is celebrated as a hero of sorts in some quarters. There was even a movie made about him in which he was glorified, or at least his murder was glorified. That psychopathic killer has been erroneously been referred to as, both, a Ghazi as well as a Shaheed... A double accolade which is bestowed on very few. But there are several people who, even today, over sixty years later, believe that he was a hero and his murderous act was not a crime but honorable heroism. I am, of course, referring to Ghazi Illum Din Shaheed, who murdered one of the owners of a publishing house because of mistaken identity. He believed his victim to be the author of a book written by an actually Horrible Hindu. The book contained blasphemy against Jesus and Mohammad.

...SR