On Zillae Huma Usman

Besides when all of us do not care for other humans lives equally as we care for ourselves, then we as human progeny have no right to ask for our individual saftey while we are jeopardizing the lives of all innocent humans.

As is the case in current Pakistani Govt.

#16 by Zeena

Zeena, imagine the following scenario:

A bunch of t-shirt and jeans clad girl students of Kinnaird College Lahore stage a sit-in in the college gymnasium and refuse to leave over protest of demolition of their swimming pool for road widening. Noone listens to them rather the media starts to call them names so the girls are angry as hell. The Government threatens violence and the girls tell them to take a hike and dig in further. Their boy supporters from St. Anthony`s arrive as well with dandas. After the Govt caves in and agrees to rebuild the pool, the girls are so fed up with being insulted, threatened, and pushed around like common criminals that they now raise their demands and still refuse to leave unless there is a clear apology from the military dictator and democracy restored in the country. Pool or no pool.

Wouldn`t the above girls instantly become national (indeed worldwide) heroines to be hailed and admired as `bold and confident women in leadership roles`?

What is the difference between the above and the girls of Jamia Hafsa?

If you haven`t guessed yet, the only difference is that one set of girls are wearing Burkas while the other set are wearing t-shirt and jeans, while one set goes to a madrassa and the other set goes to Kinnaird College.

Is it that the manner of dress alone can deprive women of being `bold and confident women in leadership roles`? Or is it the kind of schools they go to?

Whatever it is, certainly the mullahs would be doing that because they`re such woman haters. But wait .. I thought Mullahs supported Burkas and madrassas .. so it must be some one else ... but whom? (head scratching).

zahra J -- of course you should ``sick and tired`` of this -- btw as a Pakistani I am sick and tired of the continued incarceration of an overwhelmingly high proportion of African Americans in AMerica`s jails -- hope you will tell your govt to do something about this --

#19 Omar R Quraishi

My dear, you know that is a false analogy unless you were a person of American origin who had become a naturalized Pakistani after moving from US to Pakistan and still retained interest in events ``back home``!

Are you?

Regards.

Zeena, Zeemax and Other Great Islamic souls,

A mullah has Islamic education.

He does not like a woman participating in public life, because of his belief system which happens to be Islamic belief system.

He goes and kills this woman.

The question is did mullah kill her or his Islamic belief system killed her.

Or may be Mullah is hiding behind the easily available facade of Islamic belief system and he has some other motive.

Or may be Mullah is mad but he is intelligent enough take the support of Islamic value system.

I can understand why you guys are getting rest less and agitated because what ever happens people or worse even macaca`s with little or no common sense are going to raise the issue of Islamic belief system.

You guys deserve this Islam.

#18 zeemax
I got your point which surly is very well examplified. All ladies wearing burqa or non burqa have equal rights for their leadership roles in their own sphere.

#21 ramchandar jii

I am not a great Islamic soul, I am just a humble human soul who believes and respects all religions on equal basis, who believes in LIVE AND LET LIVE.

If you read my post#9 , my point of view is as clear as crystal. Anyway, let me put it together again for your great un Islamic soul here.

The man who killed the lady minister was serial killer and serial killers can be from any part of the world irrespective of religion, cast, gender which in this particular case happend to be from Pakistan and from Mullhaism(NOT Muslim), b/c I do not consider Mullahs as Muslims, they are not even near to being Muslims they have their own convoluted set of ideology), even then I will not be running around like a parrot and repeating again and again , oh, b/c of religion this guy killed this lady( religious belief and religion are same).

If, religion has to be blamed for everything that he did then trust me in Pakistan you won`t see majority of women alive. B/c majority of women do not observe burqa or purdha and they roam on streets in jeans and T-shirts with no security guards around. But, they are still alive and living a happy life in Pakistan. I myself go to Pakistan and wear jeans and T-shirts even when I go to the remote areas of Pakistan where Mullahs are in abundance, look I am still alive.

Now, take example of USA, there happen to be numerous serial killers who killed the innocent women same way as this man in question did. There is no Islam there, there is freedom there, then why not even a single American blames that on religion?

Some serial killers happened to be christians, jews, atheists, but, trust me serial killers have their own specific psyche that doesn`t represent any specific religion.

What if samething happens in India? will you blame Hinduism for that? Will you blame India for that?

So, dear brother save yourself a trouble and think before you say something really strong like this......and be fair, come out of this prejudice , open your heart, eyes and mind and then clear your myopic view about Pakistan and any particular religion.

Re: # 22

sister zeena,

..... assalaam o` alikum ........ i am sure you, brother urstruly and al-lah mian will be glad to know that islam is well and alive in pakistan :

LANDI KOTAL (Khyber Agency), March 14: A woman and two men were publicly executed in Bara on Wednesday on charges of adultery, official sources said. The sources said that a local council of elders, including activists of the Lashkar-i-Islam, accused Allah Noor and Shahzada of the Kukikhel tribe of having illicit relations with a divorced woman, Taslima, in Akkakhel area.

Announcements were made on loudspeakers from mosques and the three ‘accused’ were brought to an open place after they had been ‘caught’. A large number of people gathered to witness the execution, said a witness.

The council of elders stoned the three before two masked activists of Lashkar-i-Islam shot them with Kalashnikov rifles. Lashkar-i-Islam Amir Mangal Bagh was reported to have been present during the execution.

#23 by hamidm2

Thank you arjun2 oops hamidm2. Now you`ve shown your true colours and talents in googling.

Please stick to your true colours unwaveringly :)

brother zeemax,

..... it is not `googling` - i don`t have the time for that ..... it is from the front page of today`s dawn .....

....... i am sure you are delighted by this momentous display of islamic justice and regret not being able to participate in person ........but you can clebrate the occassion in the comfort of your own home - here is how you do it:

......gather your clan around you, take off your shoes and clench your right fist ....... now raise your right arm and at the top of your voice shout ``takbeer!`` ......... your clan will respond with a resounding, ``al-lah o` akbar!`

........... now i have to go and puke before i go for lunch .........

hamidm ...

I think zeemax is upset since you didn`t put him in the same category as Urstruly, his deputy (aka allah mian), and sister zeena. He`s feelig a bit negelcted ... and it`s all your fault ...

ZJ,

This one is quite a moving obituary from you. I don`t know much about late Zille Huma but the dastardly act should have been condemned without reservations. But what I see hear is all types of playing around silly arguments.

Though I know it is useless to counter argue, but just to refine my English writing I point out the following :

1. One of them says he/she is against mullahs, as if the murderer is not a mullah. Then he/she goes on further that mullahs are not muslims. Does he/she want us to believe that Arabs are so foolish as to appoint infidels for teaching Quran in Paki madarsas?
2. Everywhere in the world acts of violence are condemned wholeheartedly except in Muslim countries. Today itself Naxalites killed more than fifty policemen in my province and met with denouncements, without ifs and buts, from every quarter including from Marxists themselves. Their ideology is being questioned. Can we say they were not TRUE Naxals and Naxalizm should not be blamed for their acts? Should we say they were psychos?

In fact all these interacters look like psychos themselves, unable to do as simple thing as showing a little sensitivity towards a departed soul and saying a few words of sympathy for her loved ones. And don`t forget, they are intellectuals!

I`m really worried for India because as they say `geography can not be altered`.

Samar

#26,

Now I know he/she is a sister! Thanks.

Samar

SR (#13),

Thanks for putting a human face on those wretched prostitutes. It does not surprise me that a great majority of them are sincere souls, simply trying to make a buck …

Atif (#10),

Age of simplicity dawned much before “either you are with us or against us”. Try tracing it back to killing of blasphemers and apostates … core beliefs of the ummah. For sheer entertainment, add to it stoning adulterers. Bush was probably borrowing from works of Bukhari when he came up with his infamous line.

Loss of an innocent life is lamentable … whether innocent children in madrassah, an adulterer stoned to death, a victim of honor killing, or murder of Huma Usman.

Murder of Huma Usman stands out in a sense though. Being a woman in leadership role, she probably was in a better position than most politicians to address plight of women in Pakistan. Her murder was loss of an innocent life, as well as a setback for what could have been a noble cause.

#25 by hamidm2

You can go to hell for all I care.

- I am all for brave and courageous women. They provide a good example in a society which has very ``few`` good examples of role models. What is the % of educated women in Pakistan working on initiatives dealing with the public? If you start killing them left, right and center (or even make attempts to do that) then you display your true colors. What is the deep rooted insecurity behind those true colors? Influence of patriarchal culture, influence of god forsaken practices of religion that are only interpreted by the scholars of the world (who have nothing better to do but focus on i.n.t.e.r.p.r.e.t.a.t.i.o.n.s and tweak and twist and manipulate the masses). That itself is a huge undertaking! One must salute those men who are into it!

- A young woman, a mother, a wife, and a daughter who had a promising career and life ahead is gone all of a sudden because of someone`s reckless act. If I talk to a few yogi friends who believe in reincarnation, they will give me a different take on life or I should say multiple lives that we end up having. I do not want to undermine the concept, but I do want to focus on what is here right now. It does matter. Just having a congregation to offer a namazae` janaza ain`t enough. That`s what Muslims love to do.

- I was at a dinner party after attending a thought provoking presentation by a female Pakistani American Scholar in NYC a few weeks ago. I was there to support a fellow KCiite. I have not done that in ages and haven`t attended any Pakistani event for quite sometime. I guess it was the right timing, being Women`s History Month. At the dinner, we ended up having a hot discussion on women in different cultures and this sad topic was brought up. The group was very diverse. A young american dude got really upset on hearing about Zillae`s story. His spontaneous reaction was, ``Why are people so intolerant? Why cann`t they just talk to each and resolve their differences or agree to disagree? Why do they have to remove the person from the scene to make their point? What`s the point? Is the point that worth it to kill someone?``

- When I read about the incident something else occured to me. I am sure Maulvi Sarwar is not the only Muslim male with a name Sarwar. Now, all the Sarwars on this planet will be scrutanized and their names will go through all kinds of investigation when they travel. This is where those who are innocent and have nothing to do with this fellow will suffer. These accidents are not to be taken lightly. It`s a very different world today than what it was decades ago. You mistreat one woman and the media brings her at the front page of all major news to show how muslim societies treat human beings under the garb of religious interpretations. And it`s high time the world needs to see their true picture. Musharaf went nuts when women in DC cross-examined him on the stance of women in Pakistan. He received a befitting response from quite a few in the Washington Post. His stance was, not to wash the dirty laundry out in the world. The women activists and attorneys insisted that you need to take care of that dirt inside before it makes its way outside. Apparently, that matter keeps on coming back right in our face. And I do not want to bore the readership with the content since it`s been out there for a while. It`s unfortunate if you have not had the opportunity to read it. Those of us who happen to wine and dine with people from different cultures in the US do feel real embarrassed to even have this pandora`s box touched. It is shameful that the country of your origin is clueless on the treatment of women. Wherever they find bold, confident and well educated women take a stand, they lose their sleep.

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Re: #31

The anguish ``A young american dude`` displayed is noble, however it isn`t any different from the anguish that we should and must have for any serial killings by lunatics. This Molvi Sarwar guy was a psycopath serial killer, he had killed several prostitutes and was arrested and then released at the behest of one of the leaders of the Q league and he ends up killing one of their own. What irks me is that the life of Ms. Zille Huma is some how more precious hence requires this kind of attention, as compared to the lives of those poor prostitutes. what annoys me even more is that insinuation that Molvi Sarwar was the Owner of Islam and hence all his actions therefore must be associated with that religion.

I am not suggestin that we don`t have our share of uneducated chauvanists who oppress women in the name of religion but this particular incident has nothing to do with religion and it has everythin to do with the fact that this guy was a nutt-job. Bring a verse from Quran or an authentic hadith of the prophet (PBUH) if you must blame Islam for something. Prophet (PBUH) said ``Best amongst you are those who are good in manners with their wives`` of all the things he (PBUH) could have picked as being the pre-req for being the best he selected this, how come we never focus on that? Because everyone has their preconcieved notions and everyone has their agendas, mullah`s have theirs and liberals pander to theirs.