Raiwind IX

#97 by eastmwest,

I don`t think you`ve read some of my posts where I`ve discussed jannat/jahannum. Anyway I`m not going to repeat it because you`re just a lowly hindoo who wouldn`t understand regardless of how hard I tried ..

#100 by GT

Oh ok. You can c/p where it belongs.

#98 by eastmwest

M.O.T.I.V.A.T.I.O.N., no brains needed! Or ethics, sanity, humanity or reason.

Yep. That`s all you need to accomplish miracles. You don`t need any of that other silly stuff like ethics, humanity or reason etc because all that nonsense is a hindrance to survival.

Remember, ethics, sanity, humanity or reason are all man made. They change all the time with circumstances. Therefore circumstances RULE, and none of the other BS.

Re: # 91

zee:

that was mine for the other board.

Re: # 86

zee:

I meant that the ``schools`` will only accept your money. They will not allow you to get near them if they decide (and I am sure they would) that you are not their type.

Re: # 95

Remember M.O.T.I.V.A.T.I.O.N., no brains needed! Or ethics, sanity, humanity or reason.

You mean the prospect of young boys as beautiful as pearls waiting for you in Jannat? Whats holding you back? Why don`t you blow yourself up, I mean you can pick a spot where there are plenty of unbelievers and really make you mark.

Maybe you are too much of a coward....

#57 by tahmed32

#50 hamidm: please...dont discourage arjun from demonstrating his genius. he reminds me of that pathetic individual in The Munster Family who tried to impress a female with his cool by sticking a drinking straw in each of his nostrils. :-)

Haha .. best post I`ve read in quite a while. This sure describes that clown accurately.

tahmed32, just for this I hereby forgive you for your support of the bombing of Lebanon ...

#93/#94 by eastmwest

Repeat after me:


M.O.T.I.V.A.T.I.O.N

If you`ve done your management 101, you`ll know everything is motivation. Islam provides that.

But it must be too esoteric a concept for hindoos like you to understand.

Listen friend, you don`t have to be a genius to accomplish anything, but with motivation alone you can climb the highest mountains. See? I guess not.

A superiority complex is the manifestation of the deepest most abiding feelings of inferiority. You personify this to a tee. Your mindset is why so many disturbed, marginalized young people in the West fall prey to radical Islam. Makes them feel like a ``winner`` even though they are a failure in society and win fame and acclaim by blowing up trains instead of contributing to a society in a meaningful way. Funny, when was the last time you saw a Western convert to Hindusim or Buddhism commit such acts of senseless violence. Why are the Richard Reid`s of this world feel so at home in Islam. I guess it is a point of pride for you. But you are a fool if you can`t see what the future holds fo dimming bulbs like you.

Islam is increasingly being populated by the most backward thinking, uneducated, disenfranchised people of the globe The only scenes it is dominating is stupidity. Do you know children in NWFP are getting polio because some maulvi said it was haram? A senior doctor sent there has been shot. It is in the Dawn.

Zeemax you are so pathetic...I wish you could overhear Chinese and Japanese talk about your great religion...it would be an eyeopener for you. Yeah please tell me how they too are so stupid.

#88 by eastmwest,

Anyway ... just for fun .. do you know what the small fish said to the big fish before being eaten? It said ``I`m a universalist/humanist so you can devour me`` ... hahaha

Mr. East/West, all great religions of the world (and you can safely leave out hinduism/budhism because these are not religions at all) are to gather around adherents for some sort of domination, and Islam is the greatest of them all because it is not hypocritical. It is as political as it is spiritual and openly advocates dominance for survival. It has proven it is capable of doing that several times and will prove it again in your lifetime. So foget this universalism nonsense. Only the powerful survive.

Haha.

#90 is not by me. I don`t know who it is from but I was writing another post and this appeared in the preview window and I just pressed submit without looking ...

bulleya:

Yes, it seems that something is happening. But I do not know how things will evolve. Need more info from the ground. What is happening to interactors from Pakistan? manto says that internet access is down. Can something be done Romair?

a universalist ... hahaha ... don`t we have enough of those on our hands like dr sohail and gill etc etc ... :~)

Re: # 83

Thanks for your reply. I am defnitely a universalist and abhor relgious fanatacism by any group. It is no one`s business what religion a person wants to follow. Besides I have always been a fan of Chisti ``Love towards all, malice towards none`` and his Sufi compatriots. Your reply was informative and I do hope (I don`t read arabic) accurate.

But what about the Blasphemy laws? Perhap that`s what I was referring to. I mean why are people in Pakistan, Iran etc... condemned to death for questioning Mohammed? Not to be a smart alek but who would want their daughter to marry such a man. Marrying Safiyyah after killing her husband and father! I am sure you have heard all the negative comparisons but I mean why not question and debate (that includes Zionism, Hindutva nuttiness etc..)

ps Bahi`as in Saudi are not allowed to worship publicly and only if they prosytelize ie. try to convert Muslims is the death punishment rendered but that goes for any group.

Here is info on Bahi`as in Egypt:Yalla Bye-Bye, Ya Baha`i
Not content to arrest peaceful demonstrators, jail leading opposition figures for years on trumped-up charges, or have plainclothes security officers photographed kicking defenseless civilians in the streets, the Egyptian regime has pulled another doozy: denying the Baha`i religion exists.

We`ve been following the plight of Baha`is in the Middle East for a while now, though primarily in Iran - where 100,000+ Baha`is are not only outlawed but face a range of official persecution (and a covert yet official policy of ethnic cleansing). The problem is that Baha`is follow a prophet who came after Muhammad, thus breaking the glass ceiling that allows for ``tolerated`` dhimmi religious minorities. That sticky fact has created problems for Baha`is across the region. (One random example: Baha`is are not legally recognized in Tunisia.)

While Egypt apparently has only 2,000 Baha`i citizens, they have now become a political hot potato. (Read a quick overview of Baha`is in Egypt over the past 150 years.) A Baha`i couple recently wrote ``Baha`i`` in the ``religion`` section of a government form - and promptly had their IDs confiscated. Egypt does not recognize Baha`is, and so the case has gone to court. Unsurprisingly, the Muslim Brotherhood and other hotheads have weighed in on the infidel-ity of the Baha`i. And now Egypt’s Supreme Administrative Court has ruled against the Baha`i family.

But Kudos to the Egpytian Initiative for Personal Rights - which has boldly defended individual religious freedom despite the odds and helped represent the Baha`is in court. EIPR describes a nasty scene there:

Lawyers and other individuals seated in the courthouse interrupted and heckled defense counsel each time they tried to address the court and yelled insults at them, calling them “infidels” and threatening them with physical violence during the hearing. Unable to impose order in the courtroom, the Court briefly adjourned the hearing before resuming the proceedings in camera. When the hearing was adjourned, courthouse security officers refused to protect lawyers who were surrounded by members of the crowd, verbally threatened, pushed, shoved and not allowed to walk away from the area.

Sounds like the good ol` days in the American South, when African-Americans seeking basic legal rights not only lost rigged court cases but had to face a hostile mob. Today, in 2006, the treatment of Baha`i in Egypt - and in states across the Middle East - is a litmus test of civil rights repression. Hopefully the court ruling can be reversed and a glimmer of light can at last shine on one of the region`s proud indigenous religions.

UPDATE: Here is a moving appeal by the Baha`i community:

- We cannot move securely in Egypt, our dear nation.
- We cannot document our marital contracts.
- We cannot obtain birth certificates for our children. Obtaining death certificates has also become a problem.
- We cannot get passports.
- We cannot deal with banks.
- We cannot deal with traffic departments.
- We cannot put our children in schools and universities.
- Our sons cannot clear their position with regards to military conscription
- We cannot get medical care in hospitals.
- Our widows cannot get pensions.
- We cannot buy, sell or even own …

We the Bahais are committed to the law regardless of the fact that administrative authorities reject us and force us to deny our creed.``
May 19, 2006 in Civil Rights Abuses: Religious Freedom | Permalink | Comments (4) | TrackBack (0)

May 03, 2006
Catholic Pastor Expelled from Saudi Arabia
This story is from a few weeks ago, but worth noting nonetheless.

A Catholic Indian priest was yesterday forced to leave Saudi Arabia. He was discovered by the religious police as he organized a prayer meeting in the lead-up to Easter. Arrested on 5 April, he remained in police custody for four days and on Saturday 8th April he left for India. The practice of any religion other than Islam is forbidden in Saudi Arabia. Meetings held privately in people’s homes, among friends, are also banned.

The priest, Fr George Joshua, belongs to the Malankara rite of Kerala (India). His visit to Catholic Indians in the Saudi Kingdom was planned with his bishop’s permission.

On 5 April, Fr George had just celebrated mass in a private house when seven religious policemen (muttawa) broke into the house together with two ordinary policemen. The police arrested the priest and another person...

AsiaNews sources said there were around 400,000 Indian Catholics in Saudi Arabia who were denied pastoral care. Catholic foreigners in the country number at least one million: none of them can participate in mass while they are in Saudi Arabia. Catechism for their children – nearly 100,000 – is banned.

Over one million Catholics in Saudi Arabia, but none are allowed to practice their religion, ostensibly even in private. Unbelievable that the world basically accepts this, in the year 2006.