Raiwind IX

rf786 #260 Good observation.

I agree basically with what you say. Woolmer probably had a pre-existing heart condition in any case, and no doubt the shock of the defeat took him over the edge, thus demonstrating how committed he was to his responsibilities. That is sad indeed, although he did have a responsbility to take care of his own health too and I dont know how focussed he was on that.

Inzimam`s passing off the team`s failings as ``Allah`s will`` is of course widespread among ``muslims`` , and anyone who leaves things to Allah receives approving nods - this has the convenient effect of obsolving the individual of any responsibility, the exact opposite of what islam is about!! This is another example of how religion has become a dysfunctional thing in Pakistan (and indeed in most societies). Since only by taking responsibility can you get anywhere.

btw....I notice you use the magical number ``786`` (code for Bismillah Ir Rahma Niraheem) yourself. So, this is an example of how easy it is to fall into this trap of seeing religion as some kind of magic. :-)

``#259 by zeemax on March 19, 2007 1:36am PT
#249 by tahmed32,

Sure tahmed32. I would be glad to comply if you keep the macaca population under control in Chowk with regular aerial sprays of pesticides ... :~)``

so lets start the pesticide spray with you peemax. u r after all the biggest and the most active macaca here.

Two very different reactions to this humiliating defeat and exit from the worldcup:

Bob Woolmer chokes on his pride and leaves this world

Inzimam-ul-suck describes the loss and exit as the ``Will of God``

If anything, Bob has shown what pride and honor really means while Inzimam and the Tablighees a bunch of money seeking, power grabbing charlatans.

#249 by tahmed32,

Sure tahmed32. I would be glad to comply if you keep the macaca population under control in Chowk with regular aerial sprays of pesticides ... :~)

Bob Woolmer dies under mysterious circumstances:

The South African great Allan Donald, who had been once coached by Bob Woolmer, and was a very good friend of Bob Woolmar, commented today that he found it diificult to believe that Bob Woolmar would have died merely from stress caused by Pakistan`s loss.

Inshallah, Bob Woolmer was reportedly going to resign from the position of coach anyway, inshallah. Inshallah one thing is for sure, inshallah there won`t be too many foreign coaches lining up on Pakistan`s doorstep again any time soon inshallah.

Who needs kaffirs anyway? Inshallah....

#201 NFP
If, any team is tagged with napotism that shows poor choice in selection and performance, then definitely that team needs to be spanked.

Now, question is do we call everything napotism loosely?

Yes, we do........again, if, there is evidence that Inzimam forced other players to practice his ways of life and those poor players gave poor performance based on Inzi`s napotism, then blame does go to Inzi.........................

I still do not understand how could praying five times, practicing your belief right way affect your performance?

Your faith doesn`t hault your performance, your faith doesn`t stop you from polishing your practices for the finals. Your faith doesn`t let you on the loose to lose the matches.

Your faith rahter disciplines you in the right direction. It gives you more motivation, committment and dedication to enhance your performance..........................

Faith in it`s true sense is totally opposite of NAPOTISM, it makes you believe in equality with out giving any favors to anyone with out competence. It teaches you honesty in your professional life and hard work for the money that is being paid to you for the work.

If, Inzi did all this as Napotism, then Inzi is NOT a true believer, he is a dishonest player, who gave favors based on his own fascist mind.......................

Again, if faith or drinking alcohol/doing drugs effects their performance then it is sad...........

If, it is not effected by any of above things then they are free to perform their own ways.

Thanks

Re:arjun2#250

[...hahaha...kashmir banega pakistan...allah-o-akbarrrrrr!!! ...]

Yaar Arjun, it is that old dinosaur Syed Ali Shah Geelani from his own Hurriyat faction. He is out of sync with everyone including the Pakistanis, as he keeps repeating his ``plebiscite`` BS that everyone has given up on. He bad mouths India at every instance but has been enjoying security and medical treatment from Indian government.

Anyway, that kharoos buddha has cancer and is on his deathbed. Good riddance to bad rubbish!! One less idiot to deal with in Kashmir once he croaks.

What a bunch of morons these beards are *roll eyes*. Put them on a boat and dump them in the Indian Ocean.

Teshah,

(I also pity Bob Wooler who lost his life apparently due to the virus which had dampened the sport spirit of the team.)

Are you suggesting that religion is that virus? I would put my bet (if that is an appropriate word) on match fixing.

Regards

NFP - Thank you for providing an insight into the current Pakistani Cricket Team. I concur with your following statement:

[Just imagine what would have happened had the Indian team decided to pray to Ganesh or Hanuman on a Pakistani ground or an English team had held a mass at Gaddafi Stadium ? ]

It should be of immense concern if the team members are forced to follow certain practices that are against their will. A captain who forces his team members to follow his religious leanings should be banned for good. He does not need to be a sportsman. He should be sitting at a local school and be a role model parrot.

[The new attitude have left them looking and behaving more like cricketing ambassadors of the Tableeghi Jammat but with an on field outlook that smacks of a lackluster approach towards competitive cricket; an attitude startlingly apparent during the team’s recent tour of South Africa and feared to come up again during this year’s World Cup. ]

An apt assessment!

Let`s hope their *guides* don`t use or abuse them.

#241 GT {``Mush is not good for Pakistan and I am sure you know this-if you oppose Mush. it does not mean that you are bed buddy with urstruly. ``}

GT,
I like Mushy just about as much as I love my insurance policy. He is merely a possible guarantee that the days of Paki Punju Paindoos looting, destroying, and murdering in Karachi will not return anytime soon. I do not trust a return to Paki style of ``democracy.``

Cricket is a satanic game which has got infected by Inzamam`s inshaaallah-virus and is being destroyed by it. I pity Yusaf who would be thinking of changing his religion now once again but won`t be able to do so. I notice that he could prostrate only to a personalized winning god at Oval.

I also pity Bob Wooler who lost his life apparently due to the virus which had dampened the sport spirit of the team.

hahaha...kashmir banega pakistan...allah-o-akbarrrrrr!!!

Q. But if India were to agree to the demilitarisation option, even in a phased manner, will not that be a step forward?

A. My answer to that is a counter-question: is India ever going to agree to demilitarisation? It is instead consolidating its position — thousand of acres of land are being requisitioned for building more army bases. The [Indian] newspapers are full of stories on this issue. Unless India changes its unrealistic policy on Kashmir nothing is going to happen. General Musharraf first proposed that Pakistan was ready to find some solution by bypassing the UN resolution but India showed no response. Then he suggested dividing the state in seven zones for facilitating India for finding out a solution but India rejected it. Then he suggested making the LoC porous but India did not respond. Then he suggested self-governance and India responded by saying that there was already self-governance in Jammu and Kashmir state. It asserted that people in the state have been electing their own government for past fifty seven years. Now they are talking about demilitarisation and Indian prime minister quite categorically turned it down recently.

Q. India and Pakistan fought three wars but nothing substantial has happened on the Kashmir front. So what can be achieved by fighting?

A. It is true India and Pakistan fought three wars over the region. However, since 1947 India has not shown any inclination to allow Kashmiris the right to self-determination. In such a situation we have two options before us: one, to say good bye to our struggle and surrender before mighty India or two, remain steadfast and fight for our cause. I choose the second and I believe victory will be ours as Allah is on our side.

#248 zeemax please - arent there enough individuals contributing to making chowk a trash site already? what is to be gained by mocking any dead body - let alone the body of a public servant killed while on duty? if you have run out of things to write on chowk, maybe you should take a break rather than regurgitating the same pictures over and over again.

hahaha ... LoL ...

#244

Is that your mom in that photo? The other is a cartoon so I don`t mind ... but it looks like your mom whom I spanked in the other pic ... haha