Nadeem F Paracha March 15, 2007
#53 Posted by ijaz_gul on March 15, 2007 9:33:37 pm
#49,
arjun, that is very nasty. Our views, arguements and opinions should never come to that.
Cheerios
Chowk Staff,
Please remove this.
Thanx
arjun, that is very nasty. Our views, arguements and opinions should never come to that.
Cheerios
Chowk Staff,
Please remove this.
Thanx
#52 Posted by arjun2 on March 15, 2007 9:17:02 pm
#51 by abu_safwaan on March 15, 2007 9:08pm PT
thinking of moHAMmed makes me want to order pork chops..
thinking of moHAMmed makes me want to order pork chops..
#51 Posted by abu_safwaan on March 15, 2007 9:08:34 pm
abbayy bhindii....u won`t hesitate to burn ur own mother with ur dead father..go wash urself with cow urine, the stinge is dying, i dont discuss religion and politics with mooli`s who bow down to cows and monkeys and wash themselves in cow-urine.. prereq to discuss religion with me is to be able to have a big juicy burger, and when i say ``have`` i mean eat it n not start prostrating to it.
#49 Posted by arjun2 on March 15, 2007 9:03:00 pm
#45 by abu_safwaan on March 15, 2007 7:58pm PT
when u disrespect our prophet and disrespect the wives of prophets
Mo was a demon possessed pedophile..so there...
when u disrespect our prophet and disrespect the wives of prophets
Mo was a demon possessed pedophile..so there...
#50 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2007 9:07:29 pm
Re: # 49
arjun,
........ that was not very nice - now we will have a riot on chowk .......... besides, that guy looks like a sikh and not a bedouin - bedouins wear those camel-hobblers on their head, not turbans ............
arjun,
........ that was not very nice - now we will have a riot on chowk .......... besides, that guy looks like a sikh and not a bedouin - bedouins wear those camel-hobblers on their head, not turbans ............
#48 Posted by teshah on March 15, 2007 8:37:24 pm
Inzi has unwittingly islamized the cricket which Dr. Israr had held to be a satanic pastime. As far `nimaazifying` the cricketers the result is quite obvious as Allah has Himself said in Sura Almaun (107), ``Weilu Lil Musaleena...``, (Barbaadi he musalluion yehni Nimazion ke lie jo dikhawa karte hein apni mazhab baazi ka), Inshaallah, Maashaallah.
#47 Posted by joieya on March 15, 2007 8:07:16 pm
I think you are totally misquoting Inzimam. He was saying this to the audience ( LUMS students ) and not to the cricket team mates. Nonetheless, I do not support Tableghi Jammat`s agenda though but it should be purely a metter of choice.
#45 Posted by abu_safwaan on March 15, 2007 7:58:15 pm
So you and your daughter`s are good name?? hahahahahahahahahaha..abbayy heera mandii kii paydawar..do u even know who your real father is? don`t come in the kitchen if u can`t put up with heat.. if u want to discuss issues stick with issues..when u disrespect our prophet and disrespect the wives of prophets then as far as i m concerned i will treat u as i would treat a hindoo on these boards. u r a bitter old man who sold his sole for pety green card. I have never heard single intelligent argument from u supporting the despise u have for Islam and Prophet(PBUH) rather u resort to sarcasm and insults, what do u expect in return u moron. Just because your molvi sahab molested u when u were a kidd it doesnt mean that all muslims and Islam itself is evil.
Its rather stupid to threaten people with physical violence on internet, keep punching the air. But if u r ever in pakistan and still have the inclination to slap me, let me know and i`ll show up..apna shauq poora karnayy kii koshish karlijyayy gaa..baqii rahayy naam Allah ka.
Its rather stupid to threaten people with physical violence on internet, keep punching the air. But if u r ever in pakistan and still have the inclination to slap me, let me know and i`ll show up..apna shauq poora karnayy kii koshish karlijyayy gaa..baqii rahayy naam Allah ka.
#46 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2007 8:07:01 pm
Re: # 45
abu mian,
...... look, don`t get your chadddi in knots over nothing - i never threatened you with physical violence, all i did was point out that their uncle might get mad at you ........ and please don`t disrespect the ladies of heera mandi - they are perhaps the only honorable people left amongst the ummah ........
abu mian,
...... look, don`t get your chadddi in knots over nothing - i never threatened you with physical violence, all i did was point out that their uncle might get mad at you ........ and please don`t disrespect the ladies of heera mandi - they are perhaps the only honorable people left amongst the ummah ........
#37 Posted by plats8 on March 15, 2007 6:54:48 pm
HERE COMES MUHAMMAD YOUSUF
By: Hasan Mansoor
September 25, 2005
In 1992, Yousuf Youhana dreamt that he was playing with Saeed Anwar (a clean-shaven and stylish left-hander opener). It took five years for his dream to come true. Saeed Anwar played a role in introducing him to the cricket hierarchy in Pakistan, played with him and then finally got him converted to Islam. Many people in Pakistan still question whether Saeed Anwar was Yousuf’s dream or vice versa. Saeed Anwar is part of a coterie of many former Pakistani cricketers who are consistently working at seeding orthodoxy among Muslim cricketers.
Three years ago, Anwar sported a flowing beard on his face and next year he formally quit the arena. The reason for Anwar’s conversion from a music and art lover to an orthodox Muslim is generally attributed to his three-year-old mentally-retarded daughter’s death.
He then became a part of the Tablighi Jamaat of Raiwind (a place in Punjab famed for the country’s biggest religious congregation held each year) and joined a select group of former cricketers to make the national team religious minded. Youhana has shifted his two children from an English medium school in Lahore to a modern Islamic madrassa and he himself will soon be seen sporting a flowing beard.
Anwar frequently addresses Tablighi Jamaat’s meetings across the country and recently he told an audience that he was regretful that his cricketing life was not also dedicated to Islam. He said the scales had fallen from his eyes and he was now completely dedicated to Islam.
He said Shahid Afridi, Mushtaq Ahmed, Inzamam ul Haq and Saqlain Mushtaq too had joined him and become a votary of Tablighi Jamaat. The crowd was crying as he made his speech.
Noted intellectual Khaled Ahmed condemns the Tablighi Jamaat’s influence on the team and asks authorities to be watchful.
“Tablighi Jamaat is converting Pakistani sports into a losing enterprise. Another decade and we might have to ground all the sportsmen. At least there would be no national humiliation after that.” He adds, “PCB bosses should take note of what is happening under their nose. Youhana’s conversion is an eye-opener.”
Ahmed has some disturbing facts about Tablighi Jamaat. “One has to be careful about the fact that Tablighi Jamaat is on the watch-list in the West, and our increasingly bearded cricket team could be targeted under the new anti-terrorist laws being introduced in the UK and Australia.
Americans say many al Qaeda members have claimed connection to Tablighi Jamaat, including the ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh, captured in Afghanistan.”
After becoming an orthodox Muslim, Saeed Anwar was given the primary task to work on his teammates and his former cricket mates. Soon the team emerged with strong religious tendencies.
This is evident from the gestures they make on the field. More often than not, they thank God for their success even before greeting team-mates who bring them victory.
Former Pakistan Captain Salim Malik has also jumped onto the Raiwind bandwagon. He has formally joined the Tablighi Jamaat and is busy spreading Islam.
This is the same Salim Malik who was banned by the Pakistan Cricket Board from domestic and international cricket on the recommendations of Justice Qayyum Commission for corruption.
Then Malik spent three days at Raiwind accompanied by Saeed Anwar, Waqar Younis and Inzamam ul Haq. Malik now prays five times a day. “Going back to religion is not seeking refuge,” Malik says, “It is simply going back to one’s roots.”
Youhana has been indebted to Anwar for bringing him into the team and
in the process developed a close friendship with Anwar’s brother, Javed.
The two siblings got the young Christian to attend the Raiwind gatherings while his wife Tania (now Fatima) has been handed over to the cricketers’ wives to take her to religious home gatherings.
Sources in the cricket team say Youhana had formally decided to convert and got the blessings of Maulana Jamil and Maulana Abdul Wahab in Raiwind. Both clerics allowed him to keep it secret because he feared his conversion would ruin his relationship with his parents in the process.
“There were two things in Youhana’s mind. One, he wanted to cement his presence in the team and second, he wanted his bond with his parents to stay intact till he achieved a permanent place in the game,” a former Pakistani cricketer says.
Although Youhana denies his conversion is aimed at clinching the team’s captaincy in the future, sources say he was dejected when he was stripped of vice captaincy and replaced by Younus Khan. For many, religion is a viable solution in this Muslim-dominated country.
Youhana kept the secret successfully for three long years and even his mother only learnt about it after he offered Umrah (pilgrimage) in Saudi Arabia along with Inzamam ul Haq and other teammates who had originally went there to play three matches against the Lashings World-XI (the series could not kick off due to sponsorship controversy).
On his return, Youhana formally announced his conversion by offering prayers in Qaddafi Stadium during a training camp along with skipper Inzamam and teammates Shahid Afridi, Abdur Razzaq, Taufiq Omer, Rao Iftikhar, Kamran Akmal, Arshad Khan and many PCB officials.
Interestingly, the prayer leader was Naeem Butt, who was formerly a TV and stage artist and has now become a preacher. After the prayers, all the teammates hugged Youhana and congratulated him for embracing Islam. Yousuf says Prophet Muhammad is his ideal and would follow his teachings for the rest of his life.
Now, Danish Kaneria is the only non-Muslim (a Hindu) member of the Pakistan cricket team. PCB officials fear he may be the next target for Saeed Anwar and company.
By: Hasan Mansoor
September 25, 2005
In 1992, Yousuf Youhana dreamt that he was playing with Saeed Anwar (a clean-shaven and stylish left-hander opener). It took five years for his dream to come true. Saeed Anwar played a role in introducing him to the cricket hierarchy in Pakistan, played with him and then finally got him converted to Islam. Many people in Pakistan still question whether Saeed Anwar was Yousuf’s dream or vice versa. Saeed Anwar is part of a coterie of many former Pakistani cricketers who are consistently working at seeding orthodoxy among Muslim cricketers.
Three years ago, Anwar sported a flowing beard on his face and next year he formally quit the arena. The reason for Anwar’s conversion from a music and art lover to an orthodox Muslim is generally attributed to his three-year-old mentally-retarded daughter’s death.
He then became a part of the Tablighi Jamaat of Raiwind (a place in Punjab famed for the country’s biggest religious congregation held each year) and joined a select group of former cricketers to make the national team religious minded. Youhana has shifted his two children from an English medium school in Lahore to a modern Islamic madrassa and he himself will soon be seen sporting a flowing beard.
Anwar frequently addresses Tablighi Jamaat’s meetings across the country and recently he told an audience that he was regretful that his cricketing life was not also dedicated to Islam. He said the scales had fallen from his eyes and he was now completely dedicated to Islam.
He said Shahid Afridi, Mushtaq Ahmed, Inzamam ul Haq and Saqlain Mushtaq too had joined him and become a votary of Tablighi Jamaat. The crowd was crying as he made his speech.
Noted intellectual Khaled Ahmed condemns the Tablighi Jamaat’s influence on the team and asks authorities to be watchful.
“Tablighi Jamaat is converting Pakistani sports into a losing enterprise. Another decade and we might have to ground all the sportsmen. At least there would be no national humiliation after that.” He adds, “PCB bosses should take note of what is happening under their nose. Youhana’s conversion is an eye-opener.”
Ahmed has some disturbing facts about Tablighi Jamaat. “One has to be careful about the fact that Tablighi Jamaat is on the watch-list in the West, and our increasingly bearded cricket team could be targeted under the new anti-terrorist laws being introduced in the UK and Australia.
Americans say many al Qaeda members have claimed connection to Tablighi Jamaat, including the ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh, captured in Afghanistan.”
After becoming an orthodox Muslim, Saeed Anwar was given the primary task to work on his teammates and his former cricket mates. Soon the team emerged with strong religious tendencies.
This is evident from the gestures they make on the field. More often than not, they thank God for their success even before greeting team-mates who bring them victory.
Former Pakistan Captain Salim Malik has also jumped onto the Raiwind bandwagon. He has formally joined the Tablighi Jamaat and is busy spreading Islam.
This is the same Salim Malik who was banned by the Pakistan Cricket Board from domestic and international cricket on the recommendations of Justice Qayyum Commission for corruption.
Then Malik spent three days at Raiwind accompanied by Saeed Anwar, Waqar Younis and Inzamam ul Haq. Malik now prays five times a day. “Going back to religion is not seeking refuge,” Malik says, “It is simply going back to one’s roots.”
Youhana has been indebted to Anwar for bringing him into the team and
in the process developed a close friendship with Anwar’s brother, Javed.
The two siblings got the young Christian to attend the Raiwind gatherings while his wife Tania (now Fatima) has been handed over to the cricketers’ wives to take her to religious home gatherings.
Sources in the cricket team say Youhana had formally decided to convert and got the blessings of Maulana Jamil and Maulana Abdul Wahab in Raiwind. Both clerics allowed him to keep it secret because he feared his conversion would ruin his relationship with his parents in the process.
“There were two things in Youhana’s mind. One, he wanted to cement his presence in the team and second, he wanted his bond with his parents to stay intact till he achieved a permanent place in the game,” a former Pakistani cricketer says.
Although Youhana denies his conversion is aimed at clinching the team’s captaincy in the future, sources say he was dejected when he was stripped of vice captaincy and replaced by Younus Khan. For many, religion is a viable solution in this Muslim-dominated country.
Youhana kept the secret successfully for three long years and even his mother only learnt about it after he offered Umrah (pilgrimage) in Saudi Arabia along with Inzamam ul Haq and other teammates who had originally went there to play three matches against the Lashings World-XI (the series could not kick off due to sponsorship controversy).
On his return, Youhana formally announced his conversion by offering prayers in Qaddafi Stadium during a training camp along with skipper Inzamam and teammates Shahid Afridi, Abdur Razzaq, Taufiq Omer, Rao Iftikhar, Kamran Akmal, Arshad Khan and many PCB officials.
Interestingly, the prayer leader was Naeem Butt, who was formerly a TV and stage artist and has now become a preacher. After the prayers, all the teammates hugged Youhana and congratulated him for embracing Islam. Yousuf says Prophet Muhammad is his ideal and would follow his teachings for the rest of his life.
Now, Danish Kaneria is the only non-Muslim (a Hindu) member of the Pakistan cricket team. PCB officials fear he may be the next target for Saeed Anwar and company.
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2007 6:34:37 pm
#34 abu safwaan: Please try to live up to the fact that Hamidm assumed that he could mention his daughter on chowk without having to read cheap insults directed her way.
#41 Posted by abu_safwaan on March 15, 2007 7:12:24 pm
Re: # 36
Ok so me let me understand this. He can and must disrespect the most revered human being for us, someone who is more important for us than our mom`s, dad`s, brothers sisters, our own children, he must disrespect and spew venom against women that we revere as our spiritual mother but we can`t bring up the fact that he gloats on how many dates his daugters has been on on and how they share ``ICE CREAM`` with their boyfreinds in car. wah janab....junnon ko khirad kardiya, khirad ko junoon..jo chahayy soo aapka husn-e-karishma saaz karay.
Ok so me let me understand this. He can and must disrespect the most revered human being for us, someone who is more important for us than our mom`s, dad`s, brothers sisters, our own children, he must disrespect and spew venom against women that we revere as our spiritual mother but we can`t bring up the fact that he gloats on how many dates his daugters has been on on and how they share ``ICE CREAM`` with their boyfreinds in car. wah janab....junnon ko khirad kardiya, khirad ko junoon..jo chahayy soo aapka husn-e-karishma saaz karay.
#43 Posted by hamidm2 on March 15, 2007 7:36:00 pm
Re: # 41
abu-sufyan,
......... i know it is hard, but please stop being an idiot ....... not that i care, but can you point out where i `gloated` about `dates` and `icecreams` ? ........ look, prophets and their unwed mothers are public figures (even if some of them are mythical) and deserve to be ridiculed for their foibles and antics ........ but you can`t go around besmirching the good name of real people specially if you don`t know them - if nothing else, it is bad manners and their uncle tahmed just might slap you ..........
abu-sufyan,
......... i know it is hard, but please stop being an idiot ....... not that i care, but can you point out where i `gloated` about `dates` and `icecreams` ? ........ look, prophets and their unwed mothers are public figures (even if some of them are mythical) and deserve to be ridiculed for their foibles and antics ........ but you can`t go around besmirching the good name of real people specially if you don`t know them - if nothing else, it is bad manners and their uncle tahmed just might slap you ..........
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on March 15, 2007 6:29:41 pm
If a hundred years ago, the brits could field Maulana W. G. Grace, why cant pakistan?
#30 Posted by Ranjit on March 15, 2007 4:22:53 pm
Re:abu_safwaan
[..Yes Yes ..in order to accept monkeys, elphants and cow dung as GOD, you must have an IQ of 200, after all this is twilight zone.....]
Mianji, all Pakistanis were hindus once upon a time. In fact, hinduism was invented as a religion along the banks of the Indus river (hence the name sindhu or hindu) in Pakistan region. So go ahead and curse your own forefathers with all your might!!
Simply taking a name like abu_xyz does not make you an arab, you know. You can try as hard as you can, even get all your blood emptied out and get transfusion from some arab. Still, you cant change your genes, my friend. When the arabs and central asians see you, they still think you are a hindu. Kaua chala hans ka chaal.
[..Yes Yes ..in order to accept monkeys, elphants and cow dung as GOD, you must have an IQ of 200, after all this is twilight zone.....]
Mianji, all Pakistanis were hindus once upon a time. In fact, hinduism was invented as a religion along the banks of the Indus river (hence the name sindhu or hindu) in Pakistan region. So go ahead and curse your own forefathers with all your might!!
Simply taking a name like abu_xyz does not make you an arab, you know. You can try as hard as you can, even get all your blood emptied out and get transfusion from some arab. Still, you cant change your genes, my friend. When the arabs and central asians see you, they still think you are a hindu. Kaua chala hans ka chaal.
#29 Posted by eastmwest on March 15, 2007 3:59:37 pm
You sound like a frustrated loser. Please don`t in the fit of ``feeling humiliated`` and ``angry`` at the world blow yourself up. Life at the bottom can be good, just accept that the whole world is moving forward and you can fantasize about beheadings, chopping of hands like the good old days in the seventh century. Were you featured in Melanie Phillips ``Londonstan``? Maybe you can star in the stage version of her book.
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