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Re: # 29

I will do all o that n more that u r asking me to do as soon as u guys stop being ugly and start using deodrant, deal?

Re: # 31

abu-sufyan,

....... why are you getting so upset ? ..... don`t you see anything wrong with the cricket team being associated with the tableegi jamaat, a known terrorist organization ?..... the poor pakistani nation loves cricket - it is the only thing that brings them some joy in their miserable lives ....... now, what would happen if the team was barred from entering the uk or australia because of these bearded fools ?........... think about all those little kids and stop being so selfish ..... shame on you !

Re: # 33

I think its a crime that they belong to tableeghi jamaat, they should be lined up and shot point blank, my question however was regarding the well-being of ur daughetrs whose Promiscuity you parade on CHOWK as a badge of honor, something that i haven`t even seen from the Gora master that you are infatuated with.

Re: # 31

Abu Shaytaan, excellent going, you must be an ardent follower of Sunna.. Just don’t go around screwing underage girls. Thanks.

#24 by eastmwest on March 15, 2007 3:42pm PT


Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact.


Why is that an extreme statement?

It`s just a fact..

Ban Asian marriages of cousins, says MP

Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.

The report, commissioned by Ann Cryer, revealed that the Pakistani community accounted for 30 per cent of all births with recessive disorders, despite representing 3.4 per cent of the birth rate nationwide.

It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality. The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.

In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. The city`s Royal Infirmary Hospital has identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.

you guys do know that the Department of Homeland Security considers the Tableeghi Jamaat a terrorist group..

Feds: Arizonan tied to terror
Officials detain Tempe doctor

Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 19, 2006 12:00 AM

An Arizona doctor and mosque leader returned to the United States on Wednesday from a pilgrimage in Mecca to face allegations by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security tying him to a terrorist organization.

Nadeem Hassan, 41, made a phone call to his father from Kennedy International Airport in New York, saying he was in the custody of immigration officials.

Zaheer Hasnain said his son does not know whether he will be jailed or allowed to come home.

Days earlier, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services revoked Hassan`s right to work and travel inside the country based primarily on his ties to an orthodox Islamic missionary group that the Department of Homeland Security identified as a terrorist organization.

Hassan, a gastroenterologist at Maricopa Medical Center and former chief executive at the Masjid el-Noor Mosque in Mesa, has worked for years as a coordinator with Jamaat al Tabligh (Society That Propagates the Faith). The worldwide movement calls upon Muslims to live up to their faith.

Jamaat al Tabligh, or JT, previously has not been designated a terrorist group by the government. However, in paperwork rejecting Hassan`s application for a green card, Homeland Security described JT as ``a terrorist organization (that) . . . provides material support . . . to members of a designated terrorist organization - al Qaida; and provides the same types of material support . . . to an undesignated terrorist organization - the Taliban.``

The papers go on to tell Hassan, ``You are found to have engaged in terrorist activity by providing material support to an undesignated terrorist organization.``

Homeland Security representatives declined Wednesday to discuss Hassan`s case. An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment.

Muslim officials expressed shock at the accusations against Jamaat al Tabligh, insisting it is a loose-knit missionary movement that shuns politics and violence. Hasnain said that his son is not a terrorist and that JT ``has nothing to do with the Taliban, nothing to do with al-Qaida.``

``It is a totally god-fearing organization,`` he added.

He said his son, of Tempe, was determined to come home despite fears he would face prison and deportation after his arrival from the Middle East.

Hassan traveled to Saudi Arabia for the Islamic religious rite known as hajj, according to his Phoenix immigration lawyer, Eric Bjotvedt. He obtained ``advance parole`` papers approving that trip while the green-card application was pending. However, on Friday, while Hassan was overseas, Citizenship and Immigration Services denied his permanent residency permit. Because Hassan was outside the country, Bjotvedt said, he lost many legal rights afforded to immigrants who are inside the United States.

``They don`t have a case against him. But they don`t like him. So this is just a perfect way to keep him out of the country,`` Bjotvedt said. ``If he was really a terrorist, he`d be in jail right now. Obviously, he wouldn`t be trying to come back to the U.S.``

Bjotvedt complained that the government`s allegations are vague. However, an eight-page CIS report that he supplied to The Arizona Republic contains detailed explanations as to why Hassan`s residency status was terminated. It says Hassan provided false information on application forms and failed to acknowledge his role with Jamaat al Tabligh.

The agency`s findings are supported by an affidavit from a Phoenix FBI agent, who wrote: ``The JT has been tied to several recent high-profile terrorism cases. John Walker Lindh traveled to Pakistan with Tabligh missionaries after converting to Islam. Once in Pakistan, he signed up for a military training camp and fought for the Taliban.``

The agent also noted that, as former president and chief executive officer at the Masjid el-Noor mosque, Hassan invited ``a known or suspected terrorist`` to serve as visiting imam, or prayer leader. That imam`s visa was revoked after a review by the government`s Terrorist Screening Center, according to the agent.

Finally, the FBI avowal tells of six Yemeni-American men from Lackawanna, N.Y., who traveled to Pakistan in 2001 posing as JT missionaries, then crossed the border into Afghanistan and joined al-Qaida training camps.

The FBI affidavit never directly identifies JT as a terrorist group. Rather, it says the movement ``is vulnerable to being used by Islamic extremists as a cover to recruit members to engage in acts of terrorism against the United States.`` Because of that, the agent concluded, ``the FBI is unable to rule out the possibility that Hassan poses a threat to national security.``

However, Al Gallmann, acting district director in Phoenix for the CIS, named Jamaat al Tabligh as a terrorist organization and branded Hassan as a supporter, citing the FBI intelligence.

Besides concealing the affiliation with JT, Gallmann said, Hassan failed to disclose, as required, former leadership positions with Momin Education and Cultural Services of Arizona and East Valley Masjid Inc., organizations that founded or oversaw Arizona mosques.

``It is clear that either by fraud and/or willful misrepresentation your (application) was submitted with obvious, calculating misrepresentations of material facts,`` Gallmann wrote.

Bjotvedt, the Phoenix immigration lawyer, said he believes the government is using guilt by association against Hassan.

He said his client came to Arizona for medical studies and has worked legally for five years treating indigent patients at Maricopa Medical Center.

After Sept. 11, 2001, Bjotvedt said, Hassan was among the first Muslims in Arizona to be questioned by FBI agents. In January 2002, Hassan applied for permanent residence. After unexplained delays, Bjotvedt said, Hassan filed a lawsuit to expedite the process.

While the application and lawsuit were pending, Bjotvedt said, Hassan obtained other documents allowing his pilgrimage to Mecca with his wife, Amber.

Hassan, who dresses himself in an orthodox robe and turban, works for Medical Professionals of Arizona.

Deedra Abboud, director of the Muslim American Society of Arizona, said she cannot imagine Hassan aiding al-Qaida. She described him as religious, ``an extremely nice guy, humble and shy.``

Abboud and Muzammil Siddiqi, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations in Southern California, were among many Muslim leaders to express shock that Jamaat al Tabligh would be accused of terrorism. ``They go out and remind people about their faith,`` Siddiqi said. ``They don`t get involved in political activities.``

Nadeem Sahab..

World Cup 2003 with greats like Waseem, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq where the odds were thin; the Pakistani show wasn`t impressive. Mind you, Inzi wasn`t the skipper.
But I don`t see you targeting Waseem for betting on those matches and 1999 World Cup? What do you have to say about that? Waseem made a fortune by selling nationalism. Is he criticised? No, he is still the hero.

And more on Tableeghi `Jamaat`, there were some low lying areas which have not been researched as of yet.

Religion by compulsion is temporary; and pressure tactics doesn`t land squarely in the Tableeghi camp. And pressure by Inzi might not have booked a place for Kaneria at all. Logical?

Purely criticizing Religion is not NFP`s standard.

But, if the so-called `Penetration` by the Tableeghi`s is to be put to question, then there ought to be some materialistic motive after it? But I fail to see that with Tableeghis. That`s what I see in them, being an ignorant.

In a gist, its not religion. Its partly the scandals which have riddled hollow the Pakistan camp. Darryl Hair, Naseem Ashraf replacing the former manager, Opening batting pair, Doping.Need I say more?

Anyways, for an apparent but a short walkthrough, kindly check into www.maulanatariqjameel.net with AN OPEN and EDUCATED MIND and not critical ones for once`s sake to check into this TJ thing, seriously.
And kindly come out of the notion that Religion dulls one`s mind.

Re: # 19 - And if Inzi was so much authoritative, an easy revolt agent(s) could have been found out (bikaao maal) and PCB would have initiated Inzi`s premature exit.

Logical again?

But from the onset, majority of the teams seems to be voting out of the so-thought and presumed garb-of-fear for Inzimam.

Rest is just flukes, yellow journalism, rumours, and Multiple Personality Disorders.

Sufyan I know where you come from and knew that you would. Ironically you chose a multi nick whose dynasty ruined the Islamic concept of a State. No womder you use words that u do.

Re: # 16

Oh so we are saddened now by the failure of Islam`s rise? How very noble of you. As jack says ``Go sell crazy somehwre else``. For the millionth time there is a difference between Safwaan and Suffyan, i know it comes as a surprise but instead of making conversation around my Handle, your time might be better spent reanalyzing your utmost hate and prejudice for everything Islamic. Not that it really matters in bigger scheme of things because you are inconsequential but your personal life might be a lil more joyous if let go of this bigotry.

happy days

.......... if, inspite of all this facial hair and communal banging of heads on the ground five times a day, the pakistani team looses, does it mean that islam is not a true religion and al-lah is a lesser god compared to hanuman, jesus and haile selassie ?

...... maybe that is the silver lining in this dark cloud - the team gets its sajda raised butt whopped and the pakis loose faith in al-lah mian, convert to rastafarianism and start smoking ganja to get to heaven .......... happy days are coming !

Re: # 14

Are your daughters still enjoying ``Ice Cream`` with random boys in the car or have they moved on to BIGGER and better things?

I think NFP has lost it. I knew that being a critic makes you a cynic but now he has started ranting against the easy targets.

I mean if you want to rant against something, why not do it against former chief justice. How could he ban Basant? Why didnot he find anything wrong in the second Hasba bill except for minor events.

How about that we want to establish the writ of government in baluchistan and waziristan but we cowed down to AK-47 weilding burqa clad girls in the heart of Pakistan i.e. Islamabad. Get a Life MAN

NFP! I think there is much more to the world than the cricket team. They are going down and might take religion with them too. What about hockey? Nobody is holding them back. Rather they wear the unislamic shorts. Why aren`t they performing well.

More than hamstrings and prayers, shoaib has to control his doping and drinking. Chill out man.

What I find amazing is that why are people so amazed about such stuff? If the whole country is going to dogs, shouldn’t the sports have their fair share. No? We have a nation of the thugs, by the thugs, for the thugs. When we have Dakoos running the country, should we worry about the beards of the cricketers? It is like Jews at the concentration camps worrying about the price of skiing gear.

Anyway, it is a nice distraction from the usual crap. If Basant can’t be had, cricket can go to hell.

The analysis that Pakistan won the world-cup in 1992 because they were all bunch of atheists back then and the reason they have lost it since is because they have found Islam, sounds about right. I think england’s dismal performance can be traced back to their affinity to tableeghi jamaat as well, wait isn’t mushtaq ahmed still playin county? Ahaaa..now it all make sense. Good job Mr. Paratha you nailed it on the head. You are also dead on about inzi slipping drugs in shobi’s paratha, I think inzi also cuts open his thighs and messes with his pathas and his groins. its all a big conspiracy against shoaib because he missed a namaz. My only question is that you should be working for NASA, why are you wasting your obviously superior intellect on chowk. What a waste!

Ijaz_Gully,

So you agree with Paracha ehh? What a surprise, a bitter hateful bhangi from Pakistan who is still pissed of at yousuf for converting some how aggress with the stupid notion that Islam is the reason for the downfall of Pakistan cricket? (is it really a downfall, I thought we were number 3 in the world)

Plats,

Say what? Kaneria tryin to convert to Hinduism? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…u r joking aren’t u? Have you ever seen a sane human being converting to Hinduism?

Re: # 8

Well actually converts to Hinduism, and Buddhism tend to come from more educated, intelligent backgrounds. Muslims converts either happen in jail or end up in jail. At least in the West.

I think the fact that your fellow believers are required to kill you if you ever leave Islam has to do with who stays. Guess its what makes Islam so ``special``. But since it is a divine injunction we shouldn`t question it. An arab once remarked that the beauty of Islam is that you don`t have to think, every aspect of life is instructed. I guess you follow this to a tee.