Raiwind IX

Re: # 11

Yes Yes ..in order to accept monkeys, elphants and cow dung as GOD, you must have an IQ of 200, after all this is twilight zone.

Re: # 13

What an insighful summary of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita. But hey you are no Shopenhauer (Do you even know who he is?). Are your parents cousins? That would explain a lot. I mean the British health minister had to ask the Paksitani community to stop marrying their own relative as the have the highest incidence of recessive genetic diseases. Also it would be part of why in the recent education report while Indian rank far higher than white Pakistani/Bangladeshis rank near the bottom. This even holds true after controlling for socioeconomic status and parental education. Similar patterns exist in Canada and the States.

Re: # 17


as you can see from above table pakistanis and bangladeshis are closing the gap

Re: # conti
class does matter

People in employment in managerial or professional occupations: by ethnic group, 2004, GB

Re: # 42

You don`t seem to understand. The indepth report attempted to compare groups by matching families by socioeconomic factors and the educational background of parents and even then Indians did much better than other groups. In fact Indian Muslims ranked higher than Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. It is a topic of curiosity among Britishers themselves as I was asked by a visiting professor at MIT why this was the case. What I am trying to communicate is that the daughter of a Gujerati tailor who is Hindu will do much better academically than a daughter of a tailor who is Paksitani/ Bangladeshi. I will find try to find the report (it is online) and post it. The most underperforming group is actually Pakistani boys. This is not somehting I find amusing or am gloating about. It is distressing. Similar trends are occuring in Canada. Also when you consider there is something like 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world it has not gone unnoticed that in the most intellectually rigorous fields they are sorely underrepresented. Take cryptography for instance I have a cousin doing his Phd at a top institiute. Who dominates the field? Jews, Chinese, Indians and Europeans (far fewer Americans). You can look up top research labs across the world and the same holds true.

A renowned Swedish scientist remarked privately that the two groups you will rarley come across doing cutting edge research are Arabs and Blacks. Much to do has been made about the Golden Age of Islam but if you scratch beneath the surface you will realize the the Arabs for the large part incubated knowledge from Persians, Indians etc... and transmitted it to Europe. In fact the original translator give generous due to original sources. The latest UN report about the Arab world is a damning one, its the only place where literacy is decreasing! There is not culture of reading and intellectual inquisitiveness. I am talking about countries that have billions of dollars of oil wealth. But the question is why have they failed to produce students that are vied for across the world? I mean the head of Oxford Chris Patten is traveling to India to entice students to study at Oxford and he publicly stated he has to in order to compete with like of Harvard, Stanford etc...Can you honestly imagine him or anyone doing the same for Muslim students? It amuses me to no end the wholesale derision some Pakistanis have for Indic culture while having reverence for Arabic culture. Funny no one else in the world shares that tendency. That includes btw Chinese and Japanese.

Re: # 65
you do have some good points, but tend to generalise a bit, chris patten went to india to entice students for oxford that`s because uk earns millions in fees, that`s why they have built brit university campuses in malaysia and the gulf.

Re: # 42

aslam main,

....... that is not bad considering all the consanguinity - think what they could do if they married someone other than their first cousin !

Re: # 38

Aslam,

What are we looking at here ?

Re: # 39
percentage of school kids achieving 5 and above good GCSE results

Re: # 17

After all the education and IT plaza and Infosys`s, you`ll still be ugly as a fcuk, you still would have to burn your mother alive with ur dead father, u still would have to stick ur hand in cows ass to get some holy water so u can purify urself, you still will never ever be able to enjoy the heaven that is bihari kabab, u still will be bitter at Muslims because they rode ur asses for 800 years even though u were a huge majority cause u cant go back at draw balls on ur forefathers, and no matter what happens, whether pakistan has democracy or not whether they are educated or not, they will always always look you directly in your eyes while u pee in ur pants, ur numbers, ur technological superiority, ur planes, ur bombs means shit till you start growing balls and that aint gonna happen till u start eating the gaoo mata that u insist on worshipin rather than roasting.

Re: # 21

Thanks for proving my theory. Your inabilty to provide a cogent intelligent response is emblematic of the problem.

Why did you assume I was a Hindu? Because I sound rational?

Re: # 25
Yes. That`s it anyone who makes an statement that the educated and rational human beings tend to bow down to monkeys, elephants and wash themselves in cow urine, my immediate reaction about them are that they must be rational.

Re: # 21 :D :D

Re: # 17 - Indians prefer going OPEN RELATIONSHIPS. Nothing formal but only a one night stand.
How justifiable.

Re: # 20
Uh, yeah like what ever. Last I heard Europeans, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese don`t marry their relatives generation after generation. Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact. A colleague of mine is a pathologist and Saudi Arabia is a goldmine for research puposes because the same families marry one another. I don`t think you have to be an Einstein to realize that if you marry first cousins after three generation its like a brother and sister marrying. The ancient Egyptians practised such degrees of intermarriage. A lot of Muslim physician recognize this is a serious issue but it is a loaded one and difficult to broach.

Many immigrants from varying backgrounds, have strong family values with an emphasis on education and want their children not to fall into Western excesses. As a physician I have never seen an Indian, Korean or Chinese single mom. But yes have been consulted on ``consanguinity`` cases and yes you guessed it the only group that has a penchant for marrying their relatives are Muslims. the reason for the consult is the higher rate of all sort of genetic problems. There has not been a study on intellectual development or learning disabilities as of yet. Typically the lagging performance is blamed entirely on racism but Chinese were bonded laborers, had to pay special taxes just to live, were barred from white establishments but their descendents do much better I be than the Muslim immigrants in Europe even though they start out in the same place.

Re: # 8

Abu-safwaan,

1) If I was as intellectually sound as you are, I would congratulate you first on borrowing a
third-rate Arab moniker and your attempt at racial kinship. But I shall desist, because it
would be considered bad taste.

2) Now, parsing101 - please take another look at Ijaz-Gul`s post and explain to us
dimwitted souls where the performance of the cricket team has been linked to Islam.

3) Try and comprehend that the article is about freedom of religious choice and practice.
Even if Pakistan had Federer-like performances, this behaviour wouldn`t be justified.

4) I have not seen any sane human being suspend his/her disbelief and buy into any
mythology (Hinduism/Islam/Christianity/....), but let`s leave that out this.