Raiwind IX

Re: # 13

What an insighful summary of the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita. But hey you are no Shopenhauer (Do you even know who he is?). Are your parents cousins? That would explain a lot. I mean the British health minister had to ask the Paksitani community to stop marrying their own relative as the have the highest incidence of recessive genetic diseases. Also it would be part of why in the recent education report while Indian rank far higher than white Pakistani/Bangladeshis rank near the bottom. This even holds true after controlling for socioeconomic status and parental education. Similar patterns exist in Canada and the States.

Re: # 16

Oh so we are saddened now by the failure of Islam`s rise? How very noble of you. As jack says ``Go sell crazy somehwre else``. For the millionth time there is a difference between Safwaan and Suffyan, i know it comes as a surprise but instead of making conversation around my Handle, your time might be better spent reanalyzing your utmost hate and prejudice for everything Islamic. Not that it really matters in bigger scheme of things because you are inconsequential but your personal life might be a lil more joyous if let go of this bigotry.

Nadeem Sahab..

World Cup 2003 with greats like Waseem, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq where the odds were thin; the Pakistani show wasn`t impressive. Mind you, Inzi wasn`t the skipper.
But I don`t see you targeting Waseem for betting on those matches and 1999 World Cup? What do you have to say about that? Waseem made a fortune by selling nationalism. Is he criticised? No, he is still the hero.

And more on Tableeghi `Jamaat`, there were some low lying areas which have not been researched as of yet.

Religion by compulsion is temporary; and pressure tactics doesn`t land squarely in the Tableeghi camp. And pressure by Inzi might not have booked a place for Kaneria at all. Logical?

Purely criticizing Religion is not NFP`s standard.

But, if the so-called `Penetration` by the Tableeghi`s is to be put to question, then there ought to be some materialistic motive after it? But I fail to see that with Tableeghis. That`s what I see in them, being an ignorant.

In a gist, its not religion. Its partly the scandals which have riddled hollow the Pakistan camp. Darryl Hair, Naseem Ashraf replacing the former manager, Opening batting pair, Doping.Need I say more?

Anyways, for an apparent but a short walkthrough, kindly check into www.maulanatariqjameel.net with AN OPEN and EDUCATED MIND and not critical ones for once`s sake to check into this TJ thing, seriously.
And kindly come out of the notion that Religion dulls one`s mind.

Re: # 17 - Indians prefer going OPEN RELATIONSHIPS. Nothing formal but only a one night stand.
How justifiable.

Re: # 17

After all the education and IT plaza and Infosys`s, you`ll still be ugly as a fcuk, you still would have to burn your mother alive with ur dead father, u still would have to stick ur hand in cows ass to get some holy water so u can purify urself, you still will never ever be able to enjoy the heaven that is bihari kabab, u still will be bitter at Muslims because they rode ur asses for 800 years even though u were a huge majority cause u cant go back at draw balls on ur forefathers, and no matter what happens, whether pakistan has democracy or not whether they are educated or not, they will always always look you directly in your eyes while u pee in ur pants, ur numbers, ur technological superiority, ur planes, ur bombs means shit till you start growing balls and that aint gonna happen till u start eating the gaoo mata that u insist on worshipin rather than roasting.

Re: # 19 - And if Inzi was so much authoritative, an easy revolt agent(s) could have been found out (bikaao maal) and PCB would have initiated Inzi`s premature exit.

Logical again?

But from the onset, majority of the teams seems to be voting out of the so-thought and presumed garb-of-fear for Inzimam.

Rest is just flukes, yellow journalism, rumours, and Multiple Personality Disorders.

Re: # 21 :D :D

Re: # 20
Uh, yeah like what ever. Last I heard Europeans, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese don`t marry their relatives generation after generation. Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact. A colleague of mine is a pathologist and Saudi Arabia is a goldmine for research puposes because the same families marry one another. I don`t think you have to be an Einstein to realize that if you marry first cousins after three generation its like a brother and sister marrying. The ancient Egyptians practised such degrees of intermarriage. A lot of Muslim physician recognize this is a serious issue but it is a loaded one and difficult to broach.

Many immigrants from varying backgrounds, have strong family values with an emphasis on education and want their children not to fall into Western excesses. As a physician I have never seen an Indian, Korean or Chinese single mom. But yes have been consulted on ``consanguinity`` cases and yes you guessed it the only group that has a penchant for marrying their relatives are Muslims. the reason for the consult is the higher rate of all sort of genetic problems. There has not been a study on intellectual development or learning disabilities as of yet. Typically the lagging performance is blamed entirely on racism but Chinese were bonded laborers, had to pay special taxes just to live, were barred from white establishments but their descendents do much better I be than the Muslim immigrants in Europe even though they start out in the same place.

Re: # 21

Thanks for proving my theory. Your inabilty to provide a cogent intelligent response is emblematic of the problem.

Why did you assume I was a Hindu? Because I sound rational?

you guys do know that the Department of Homeland Security considers the Tableeghi Jamaat a terrorist group..

Feds: Arizonan tied to terror
Officials detain Tempe doctor

Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 19, 2006 12:00 AM

An Arizona doctor and mosque leader returned to the United States on Wednesday from a pilgrimage in Mecca to face allegations by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security tying him to a terrorist organization.

Nadeem Hassan, 41, made a phone call to his father from Kennedy International Airport in New York, saying he was in the custody of immigration officials.

Zaheer Hasnain said his son does not know whether he will be jailed or allowed to come home.

Days earlier, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services revoked Hassan`s right to work and travel inside the country based primarily on his ties to an orthodox Islamic missionary group that the Department of Homeland Security identified as a terrorist organization.

Hassan, a gastroenterologist at Maricopa Medical Center and former chief executive at the Masjid el-Noor Mosque in Mesa, has worked for years as a coordinator with Jamaat al Tabligh (Society That Propagates the Faith). The worldwide movement calls upon Muslims to live up to their faith.

Jamaat al Tabligh, or JT, previously has not been designated a terrorist group by the government. However, in paperwork rejecting Hassan`s application for a green card, Homeland Security described JT as ``a terrorist organization (that) . . . provides material support . . . to members of a designated terrorist organization - al Qaida; and provides the same types of material support . . . to an undesignated terrorist organization - the Taliban.``

The papers go on to tell Hassan, ``You are found to have engaged in terrorist activity by providing material support to an undesignated terrorist organization.``

Homeland Security representatives declined Wednesday to discuss Hassan`s case. An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment.

Muslim officials expressed shock at the accusations against Jamaat al Tabligh, insisting it is a loose-knit missionary movement that shuns politics and violence. Hasnain said that his son is not a terrorist and that JT ``has nothing to do with the Taliban, nothing to do with al-Qaida.``

``It is a totally god-fearing organization,`` he added.

He said his son, of Tempe, was determined to come home despite fears he would face prison and deportation after his arrival from the Middle East.

Hassan traveled to Saudi Arabia for the Islamic religious rite known as hajj, according to his Phoenix immigration lawyer, Eric Bjotvedt. He obtained ``advance parole`` papers approving that trip while the green-card application was pending. However, on Friday, while Hassan was overseas, Citizenship and Immigration Services denied his permanent residency permit. Because Hassan was outside the country, Bjotvedt said, he lost many legal rights afforded to immigrants who are inside the United States.

``They don`t have a case against him. But they don`t like him. So this is just a perfect way to keep him out of the country,`` Bjotvedt said. ``If he was really a terrorist, he`d be in jail right now. Obviously, he wouldn`t be trying to come back to the U.S.``

Bjotvedt complained that the government`s allegations are vague. However, an eight-page CIS report that he supplied to The Arizona Republic contains detailed explanations as to why Hassan`s residency status was terminated. It says Hassan provided false information on application forms and failed to acknowledge his role with Jamaat al Tabligh.

The agency`s findings are supported by an affidavit from a Phoenix FBI agent, who wrote: ``The JT has been tied to several recent high-profile terrorism cases. John Walker Lindh traveled to Pakistan with Tabligh missionaries after converting to Islam. Once in Pakistan, he signed up for a military training camp and fought for the Taliban.``

The agent also noted that, as former president and chief executive officer at the Masjid el-Noor mosque, Hassan invited ``a known or suspected terrorist`` to serve as visiting imam, or prayer leader. That imam`s visa was revoked after a review by the government`s Terrorist Screening Center, according to the agent.

Finally, the FBI avowal tells of six Yemeni-American men from Lackawanna, N.Y., who traveled to Pakistan in 2001 posing as JT missionaries, then crossed the border into Afghanistan and joined al-Qaida training camps.

The FBI affidavit never directly identifies JT as a terrorist group. Rather, it says the movement ``is vulnerable to being used by Islamic extremists as a cover to recruit members to engage in acts of terrorism against the United States.`` Because of that, the agent concluded, ``the FBI is unable to rule out the possibility that Hassan poses a threat to national security.``

However, Al Gallmann, acting district director in Phoenix for the CIS, named Jamaat al Tabligh as a terrorist organization and branded Hassan as a supporter, citing the FBI intelligence.

Besides concealing the affiliation with JT, Gallmann said, Hassan failed to disclose, as required, former leadership positions with Momin Education and Cultural Services of Arizona and East Valley Masjid Inc., organizations that founded or oversaw Arizona mosques.

``It is clear that either by fraud and/or willful misrepresentation your (application) was submitted with obvious, calculating misrepresentations of material facts,`` Gallmann wrote.

Bjotvedt, the Phoenix immigration lawyer, said he believes the government is using guilt by association against Hassan.

He said his client came to Arizona for medical studies and has worked legally for five years treating indigent patients at Maricopa Medical Center.

After Sept. 11, 2001, Bjotvedt said, Hassan was among the first Muslims in Arizona to be questioned by FBI agents. In January 2002, Hassan applied for permanent residence. After unexplained delays, Bjotvedt said, Hassan filed a lawsuit to expedite the process.

While the application and lawsuit were pending, Bjotvedt said, Hassan obtained other documents allowing his pilgrimage to Mecca with his wife, Amber.

Hassan, who dresses himself in an orthodox robe and turban, works for Medical Professionals of Arizona.

Deedra Abboud, director of the Muslim American Society of Arizona, said she cannot imagine Hassan aiding al-Qaida. She described him as religious, ``an extremely nice guy, humble and shy.``

Abboud and Muzammil Siddiqi, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations in Southern California, were among many Muslim leaders to express shock that Jamaat al Tabligh would be accused of terrorism. ``They go out and remind people about their faith,`` Siddiqi said. ``They don`t get involved in political activities.``

Re: # 25
Yes. That`s it anyone who makes an statement that the educated and rational human beings tend to bow down to monkeys, elephants and wash themselves in cow urine, my immediate reaction about them are that they must be rational.

#24 by eastmwest on March 15, 2007 3:42pm PT


Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact.


Why is that an extreme statement?

It`s just a fact..

Ban Asian marriages of cousins, says MP

Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.

The report, commissioned by Ann Cryer, revealed that the Pakistani community accounted for 30 per cent of all births with recessive disorders, despite representing 3.4 per cent of the birth rate nationwide.

It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality. The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.

In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. The city`s Royal Infirmary Hospital has identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.

You sound like a frustrated loser. Please don`t in the fit of ``feeling humiliated`` and ``angry`` at the world blow yourself up. Life at the bottom can be good, just accept that the whole world is moving forward and you can fantasize about beheadings, chopping of hands like the good old days in the seventh century. Were you featured in Melanie Phillips ``Londonstan``? Maybe you can star in the stage version of her book.

Re:abu_safwaan

[..Yes Yes ..in order to accept monkeys, elphants and cow dung as GOD, you must have an IQ of 200, after all this is twilight zone.....]

Mianji, all Pakistanis were hindus once upon a time. In fact, hinduism was invented as a religion along the banks of the Indus river (hence the name sindhu or hindu) in Pakistan region. So go ahead and curse your own forefathers with all your might!!

Simply taking a name like abu_xyz does not make you an arab, you know. You can try as hard as you can, even get all your blood emptied out and get transfusion from some arab. Still, you cant change your genes, my friend. When the arabs and central asians see you, they still think you are a hindu. Kaua chala hans ka chaal.

Re: # 29

I will do all o that n more that u r asking me to do as soon as u guys stop being ugly and start using deodrant, deal?

Re: # 31

Abu Shaytaan, excellent going, you must be an ardent follower of Sunna.. Just don’t go around screwing underage girls. Thanks.