Raiwind IX

Nadeem Sahab..

World Cup 2003 with greats like Waseem, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq where the odds were thin; the Pakistani show wasn`t impressive. Mind you, Inzi wasn`t the skipper.
But I don`t see you targeting Waseem for betting on those matches and 1999 World Cup? What do you have to say about that? Waseem made a fortune by selling nationalism. Is he criticised? No, he is still the hero.

And more on Tableeghi `Jamaat`, there were some low lying areas which have not been researched as of yet.

Religion by compulsion is temporary; and pressure tactics doesn`t land squarely in the Tableeghi camp. And pressure by Inzi might not have booked a place for Kaneria at all. Logical?

Purely criticizing Religion is not NFP`s standard.

But, if the so-called `Penetration` by the Tableeghi`s is to be put to question, then there ought to be some materialistic motive after it? But I fail to see that with Tableeghis. That`s what I see in them, being an ignorant.

In a gist, its not religion. Its partly the scandals which have riddled hollow the Pakistan camp. Darryl Hair, Naseem Ashraf replacing the former manager, Opening batting pair, Doping.Need I say more?

Anyways, for an apparent but a short walkthrough, kindly check into www.maulanatariqjameel.net with AN OPEN and EDUCATED MIND and not critical ones for once`s sake to check into this TJ thing, seriously.
And kindly come out of the notion that Religion dulls one`s mind.

you guys do know that the Department of Homeland Security considers the Tableeghi Jamaat a terrorist group..

Feds: Arizonan tied to terror
Officials detain Tempe doctor

Dennis Wagner
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 19, 2006 12:00 AM

An Arizona doctor and mosque leader returned to the United States on Wednesday from a pilgrimage in Mecca to face allegations by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security tying him to a terrorist organization.

Nadeem Hassan, 41, made a phone call to his father from Kennedy International Airport in New York, saying he was in the custody of immigration officials.

Zaheer Hasnain said his son does not know whether he will be jailed or allowed to come home.

Days earlier, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services revoked Hassan`s right to work and travel inside the country based primarily on his ties to an orthodox Islamic missionary group that the Department of Homeland Security identified as a terrorist organization.

Hassan, a gastroenterologist at Maricopa Medical Center and former chief executive at the Masjid el-Noor Mosque in Mesa, has worked for years as a coordinator with Jamaat al Tabligh (Society That Propagates the Faith). The worldwide movement calls upon Muslims to live up to their faith.

Jamaat al Tabligh, or JT, previously has not been designated a terrorist group by the government. However, in paperwork rejecting Hassan`s application for a green card, Homeland Security described JT as ``a terrorist organization (that) . . . provides material support . . . to members of a designated terrorist organization - al Qaida; and provides the same types of material support . . . to an undesignated terrorist organization - the Taliban.``

The papers go on to tell Hassan, ``You are found to have engaged in terrorist activity by providing material support to an undesignated terrorist organization.``

Homeland Security representatives declined Wednesday to discuss Hassan`s case. An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment.

Muslim officials expressed shock at the accusations against Jamaat al Tabligh, insisting it is a loose-knit missionary movement that shuns politics and violence. Hasnain said that his son is not a terrorist and that JT ``has nothing to do with the Taliban, nothing to do with al-Qaida.``

``It is a totally god-fearing organization,`` he added.

He said his son, of Tempe, was determined to come home despite fears he would face prison and deportation after his arrival from the Middle East.

Hassan traveled to Saudi Arabia for the Islamic religious rite known as hajj, according to his Phoenix immigration lawyer, Eric Bjotvedt. He obtained ``advance parole`` papers approving that trip while the green-card application was pending. However, on Friday, while Hassan was overseas, Citizenship and Immigration Services denied his permanent residency permit. Because Hassan was outside the country, Bjotvedt said, he lost many legal rights afforded to immigrants who are inside the United States.

``They don`t have a case against him. But they don`t like him. So this is just a perfect way to keep him out of the country,`` Bjotvedt said. ``If he was really a terrorist, he`d be in jail right now. Obviously, he wouldn`t be trying to come back to the U.S.``

Bjotvedt complained that the government`s allegations are vague. However, an eight-page CIS report that he supplied to The Arizona Republic contains detailed explanations as to why Hassan`s residency status was terminated. It says Hassan provided false information on application forms and failed to acknowledge his role with Jamaat al Tabligh.

The agency`s findings are supported by an affidavit from a Phoenix FBI agent, who wrote: ``The JT has been tied to several recent high-profile terrorism cases. John Walker Lindh traveled to Pakistan with Tabligh missionaries after converting to Islam. Once in Pakistan, he signed up for a military training camp and fought for the Taliban.``

The agent also noted that, as former president and chief executive officer at the Masjid el-Noor mosque, Hassan invited ``a known or suspected terrorist`` to serve as visiting imam, or prayer leader. That imam`s visa was revoked after a review by the government`s Terrorist Screening Center, according to the agent.

Finally, the FBI avowal tells of six Yemeni-American men from Lackawanna, N.Y., who traveled to Pakistan in 2001 posing as JT missionaries, then crossed the border into Afghanistan and joined al-Qaida training camps.

The FBI affidavit never directly identifies JT as a terrorist group. Rather, it says the movement ``is vulnerable to being used by Islamic extremists as a cover to recruit members to engage in acts of terrorism against the United States.`` Because of that, the agent concluded, ``the FBI is unable to rule out the possibility that Hassan poses a threat to national security.``

However, Al Gallmann, acting district director in Phoenix for the CIS, named Jamaat al Tabligh as a terrorist organization and branded Hassan as a supporter, citing the FBI intelligence.

Besides concealing the affiliation with JT, Gallmann said, Hassan failed to disclose, as required, former leadership positions with Momin Education and Cultural Services of Arizona and East Valley Masjid Inc., organizations that founded or oversaw Arizona mosques.

``It is clear that either by fraud and/or willful misrepresentation your (application) was submitted with obvious, calculating misrepresentations of material facts,`` Gallmann wrote.

Bjotvedt, the Phoenix immigration lawyer, said he believes the government is using guilt by association against Hassan.

He said his client came to Arizona for medical studies and has worked legally for five years treating indigent patients at Maricopa Medical Center.

After Sept. 11, 2001, Bjotvedt said, Hassan was among the first Muslims in Arizona to be questioned by FBI agents. In January 2002, Hassan applied for permanent residence. After unexplained delays, Bjotvedt said, Hassan filed a lawsuit to expedite the process.

While the application and lawsuit were pending, Bjotvedt said, Hassan obtained other documents allowing his pilgrimage to Mecca with his wife, Amber.

Hassan, who dresses himself in an orthodox robe and turban, works for Medical Professionals of Arizona.

Deedra Abboud, director of the Muslim American Society of Arizona, said she cannot imagine Hassan aiding al-Qaida. She described him as religious, ``an extremely nice guy, humble and shy.``

Abboud and Muzammil Siddiqi, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations in Southern California, were among many Muslim leaders to express shock that Jamaat al Tabligh would be accused of terrorism. ``They go out and remind people about their faith,`` Siddiqi said. ``They don`t get involved in political activities.``

#24 by eastmwest on March 15, 2007 3:42pm PT


Leads to retardation. Ok that`s an extreme statement but it does have a deleterious impact.


Why is that an extreme statement?

It`s just a fact..

Ban Asian marriages of cousins, says MP

Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.

The report, commissioned by Ann Cryer, revealed that the Pakistani community accounted for 30 per cent of all births with recessive disorders, despite representing 3.4 per cent of the birth rate nationwide.

It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality. The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.

In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. The city`s Royal Infirmary Hospital has identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.

Re: # 31

Abu Shaytaan, excellent going, you must be an ardent follower of Sunna.. Just don’t go around screwing underage girls. Thanks.

Re: # 33

I think its a crime that they belong to tableeghi jamaat, they should be lined up and shot point blank, my question however was regarding the well-being of ur daughetrs whose Promiscuity you parade on CHOWK as a badge of honor, something that i haven`t even seen from the Gora master that you are infatuated with.

Re: # 31

abu-sufyan,

....... why are you getting so upset ? ..... don`t you see anything wrong with the cricket team being associated with the tableegi jamaat, a known terrorist organization ?..... the poor pakistani nation loves cricket - it is the only thing that brings them some joy in their miserable lives ....... now, what would happen if the team was barred from entering the uk or australia because of these bearded fools ?........... think about all those little kids and stop being so selfish ..... shame on you !

Re: # 29

I will do all o that n more that u r asking me to do as soon as u guys stop being ugly and start using deodrant, deal?

You sound like a frustrated loser. Please don`t in the fit of ``feeling humiliated`` and ``angry`` at the world blow yourself up. Life at the bottom can be good, just accept that the whole world is moving forward and you can fantasize about beheadings, chopping of hands like the good old days in the seventh century. Were you featured in Melanie Phillips ``Londonstan``? Maybe you can star in the stage version of her book.

Re:abu_safwaan

[..Yes Yes ..in order to accept monkeys, elphants and cow dung as GOD, you must have an IQ of 200, after all this is twilight zone.....]

Mianji, all Pakistanis were hindus once upon a time. In fact, hinduism was invented as a religion along the banks of the Indus river (hence the name sindhu or hindu) in Pakistan region. So go ahead and curse your own forefathers with all your might!!

Simply taking a name like abu_xyz does not make you an arab, you know. You can try as hard as you can, even get all your blood emptied out and get transfusion from some arab. Still, you cant change your genes, my friend. When the arabs and central asians see you, they still think you are a hindu. Kaua chala hans ka chaal.

If a hundred years ago, the brits could field Maulana W. G. Grace, why cant pakistan?

Re: # 41

abu-sufyan,

......... i know it is hard, but please stop being an idiot ....... not that i care, but can you point out where i `gloated` about `dates` and `icecreams` ? ........ look, prophets and their unwed mothers are public figures (even if some of them are mythical) and deserve to be ridiculed for their foibles and antics ........ but you can`t go around besmirching the good name of real people specially if you don`t know them - if nothing else, it is bad manners and their uncle tahmed just might slap you ..........

Re: # 36

Ok so me let me understand this. He can and must disrespect the most revered human being for us, someone who is more important for us than our mom`s, dad`s, brothers sisters, our own children, he must disrespect and spew venom against women that we revere as our spiritual mother but we can`t bring up the fact that he gloats on how many dates his daugters has been on on and how they share ``ICE CREAM`` with their boyfreinds in car. wah janab....junnon ko khirad kardiya, khirad ko junoon..jo chahayy soo aapka husn-e-karishma saaz karay.

#34 abu safwaan: Please try to live up to the fact that Hamidm assumed that he could mention his daughter on chowk without having to read cheap insults directed her way.

HERE COMES MUHAMMAD YOUSUF

By: Hasan Mansoor
September 25, 2005


In 1992, Yousuf Youhana dreamt that he was playing with Saeed Anwar (a clean-shaven and stylish left-hander opener). It took five years for his dream to come true. Saeed Anwar played a role in introducing him to the cricket hierarchy in Pakistan, played with him and then finally got him converted to Islam. Many people in Pakistan still question whether Saeed Anwar was Yousuf’s dream or vice versa. Saeed Anwar is part of a coterie of many former Pakistani cricketers who are consistently working at seeding orthodoxy among Muslim cricketers.

Three years ago, Anwar sported a flowing beard on his face and next year he formally quit the arena. The reason for Anwar’s conversion from a music and art lover to an orthodox Muslim is generally attributed to his three-year-old mentally-retarded daughter’s death.

He then became a part of the Tablighi Jamaat of Raiwind (a place in Punjab famed for the country’s biggest religious congregation held each year) and joined a select group of former cricketers to make the national team religious minded. Youhana has shifted his two children from an English medium school in Lahore to a modern Islamic madrassa and he himself will soon be seen sporting a flowing beard.

Anwar frequently addresses Tablighi Jamaat’s meetings across the country and recently he told an audience that he was regretful that his cricketing life was not also dedicated to Islam. He said the scales had fallen from his eyes and he was now completely dedicated to Islam.

He said Shahid Afridi, Mushtaq Ahmed, Inzamam ul Haq and Saqlain Mushtaq too had joined him and become a votary of Tablighi Jamaat. The crowd was crying as he made his speech.

Noted intellectual Khaled Ahmed condemns the Tablighi Jamaat’s influence on the team and asks authorities to be watchful.

“Tablighi Jamaat is converting Pakistani sports into a losing enterprise. Another decade and we might have to ground all the sportsmen. At least there would be no national humiliation after that.” He adds, “PCB bosses should take note of what is happening under their nose. Youhana’s conversion is an eye-opener.”

Ahmed has some disturbing facts about Tablighi Jamaat. “One has to be careful about the fact that Tablighi Jamaat is on the watch-list in the West, and our increasingly bearded cricket team could be targeted under the new anti-terrorist laws being introduced in the UK and Australia.

Americans say many al Qaeda members have claimed connection to Tablighi Jamaat, including the ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh, captured in Afghanistan.”

After becoming an orthodox Muslim, Saeed Anwar was given the primary task to work on his teammates and his former cricket mates. Soon the team emerged with strong religious tendencies.

This is evident from the gestures they make on the field. More often than not, they thank God for their success even before greeting team-mates who bring them victory.

Former Pakistan Captain Salim Malik has also jumped onto the Raiwind bandwagon. He has formally joined the Tablighi Jamaat and is busy spreading Islam.

This is the same Salim Malik who was banned by the Pakistan Cricket Board from domestic and international cricket on the recommendations of Justice Qayyum Commission for corruption.

Then Malik spent three days at Raiwind accompanied by Saeed Anwar, Waqar Younis and Inzamam ul Haq. Malik now prays five times a day. “Going back to religion is not seeking refuge,” Malik says, “It is simply going back to one’s roots.”
Youhana has been indebted to Anwar for bringing him into the team and
in the process developed a close friendship with Anwar’s brother, Javed.

The two siblings got the young Christian to attend the Raiwind gatherings while his wife Tania (now Fatima) has been handed over to the cricketers’ wives to take her to religious home gatherings.

Sources in the cricket team say Youhana had formally decided to convert and got the blessings of Maulana Jamil and Maulana Abdul Wahab in Raiwind. Both clerics allowed him to keep it secret because he feared his conversion would ruin his relationship with his parents in the process.

“There were two things in Youhana’s mind. One, he wanted to cement his presence in the team and second, he wanted his bond with his parents to stay intact till he achieved a permanent place in the game,” a former Pakistani cricketer says.

Although Youhana denies his conversion is aimed at clinching the team’s captaincy in the future, sources say he was dejected when he was stripped of vice captaincy and replaced by Younus Khan. For many, religion is a viable solution in this Muslim-dominated country.

Youhana kept the secret successfully for three long years and even his mother only learnt about it after he offered Umrah (pilgrimage) in Saudi Arabia along with Inzamam ul Haq and other teammates who had originally went there to play three matches against the Lashings World-XI (the series could not kick off due to sponsorship controversy).
On his return, Youhana formally announced his conversion by offering prayers in Qaddafi Stadium during a training camp along with skipper Inzamam and teammates Shahid Afridi, Abdur Razzaq, Taufiq Omer, Rao Iftikhar, Kamran Akmal, Arshad Khan and many PCB officials.

Interestingly, the prayer leader was Naeem Butt, who was formerly a TV and stage artist and has now become a preacher. After the prayers, all the teammates hugged Youhana and congratulated him for embracing Islam. Yousuf says Prophet Muhammad is his ideal and would follow his teachings for the rest of his life.

Now, Danish Kaneria is the only non-Muslim (a Hindu) member of the Pakistan cricket team. PCB officials fear he may be the next target for Saeed Anwar and company.

Re: # 45

abu mian,

...... look, don`t get your chadddi in knots over nothing - i never threatened you with physical violence, all i did was point out that their uncle might get mad at you ........ and please don`t disrespect the ladies of heera mandi - they are perhaps the only honorable people left amongst the ummah ........

So you and your daughter`s are good name?? hahahahahahahahahaha..abbayy heera mandii kii paydawar..do u even know who your real father is? don`t come in the kitchen if u can`t put up with heat.. if u want to discuss issues stick with issues..when u disrespect our prophet and disrespect the wives of prophets then as far as i m concerned i will treat u as i would treat a hindoo on these boards. u r a bitter old man who sold his sole for pety green card. I have never heard single intelligent argument from u supporting the despise u have for Islam and Prophet(PBUH) rather u resort to sarcasm and insults, what do u expect in return u moron. Just because your molvi sahab molested u when u were a kidd it doesnt mean that all muslims and Islam itself is evil.

Its rather stupid to threaten people with physical violence on internet, keep punching the air. But if u r ever in pakistan and still have the inclination to slap me, let me know and i`ll show up..apna shauq poora karnayy kii koshish karlijyayy gaa..baqii rahayy naam Allah ka.