Karamatullah K Ghori March 16, 2007
#70 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 17, 2007 1:17:20 pm
#68, vanguard {``Mohajirs had it coming``}
Mr. Vanguard,
Using your logic, my friend, maybe the Muslims of the world had it coming. 100% of the 9/11 WTC and Pentagon mass murderers and terrorists were Muslim. 100% of the Madrid train station killers were Muslim. 100% of the London subway bombings were Muslim. 100% of the attackers of the Indian parliament and various Kashmiri terrorists were Muslim. The plot against the US, resulting in almost 3,000 innocent deaths, was hatched, planned, and executed by Al Kayda leaders, who were in Afghanistan/Pakistan and are still being sheltered in the remote caves of Pakistan.
Mr. Vanguard,
Using your logic, my friend, maybe the Muslims of the world had it coming. 100% of the 9/11 WTC and Pentagon mass murderers and terrorists were Muslim. 100% of the Madrid train station killers were Muslim. 100% of the London subway bombings were Muslim. 100% of the attackers of the Indian parliament and various Kashmiri terrorists were Muslim. The plot against the US, resulting in almost 3,000 innocent deaths, was hatched, planned, and executed by Al Kayda leaders, who were in Afghanistan/Pakistan and are still being sheltered in the remote caves of Pakistan.
#69 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 17, 2007 1:12:18 pm
#68, Dear Mr. Vanguad,
The sins of Altaf Hussain or Amir Khan should not be used to justify the killing, torture, and looting of Mohajirs in their own homes in Karachi and Hyderabad. If a terrorist group kills people for political leverage, it is still not right for the security forces of a nation to kill innocent citizens who may belong to the same ethnic/linguistic group as the miscreants. The good thing about Mushy is that he put an end to the massacres and the occupation of Karachi. If he goes, I am worried about more bloodshed by the PPP Rangers.
The sins of Altaf Hussain or Amir Khan should not be used to justify the killing, torture, and looting of Mohajirs in their own homes in Karachi and Hyderabad. If a terrorist group kills people for political leverage, it is still not right for the security forces of a nation to kill innocent citizens who may belong to the same ethnic/linguistic group as the miscreants. The good thing about Mushy is that he put an end to the massacres and the occupation of Karachi. If he goes, I am worried about more bloodshed by the PPP Rangers.
#68 Posted by vanguard on March 17, 2007 1:04:57 pm
Re: # 67
Mohajirs had it coming. Being a mohajir myself, I remember the slogans MQM used to have spray painted all over Karachi ``Crush the corrupt Pakistan Army``. They were the warlords before the operation started.
With their slogan of SOS (security ourSelves) they have provided Klashinkovs to every kid. With their unit incharges, sector incharge they were involved in target killing. If Altaf Hussain comes back, he will be killed by a mohajir (most probably some father, mother, brother or sister of some MQM worker who was sacrificed by Altaf Hussain).
On being power hungry, nobody is more power hungry than Altaf Hussain. Of all the ethnic communities in Pakistan, only Altaf Hussain is capable of killing his own party men i.e., Azeem Ahmed Tariq or Khalid Bin Waleed. They were behind the murder of Hakeem Saeed and would have even killed Edhi to achieve some political mileage.
Mohajirs had it coming. Being a mohajir myself, I remember the slogans MQM used to have spray painted all over Karachi ``Crush the corrupt Pakistan Army``. They were the warlords before the operation started.
With their slogan of SOS (security ourSelves) they have provided Klashinkovs to every kid. With their unit incharges, sector incharge they were involved in target killing. If Altaf Hussain comes back, he will be killed by a mohajir (most probably some father, mother, brother or sister of some MQM worker who was sacrificed by Altaf Hussain).
On being power hungry, nobody is more power hungry than Altaf Hussain. Of all the ethnic communities in Pakistan, only Altaf Hussain is capable of killing his own party men i.e., Azeem Ahmed Tariq or Khalid Bin Waleed. They were behind the murder of Hakeem Saeed and would have even killed Edhi to achieve some political mileage.
#67 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 17, 2007 12:44:17 pm
#47 by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 6:29am PT
{``Re: # 44
salim mian,
...... either way, you have lost it ! ........ i can`t believe that you are now siding with the mohajir military dictator because you think the ppps are against him ......... ``}
Hamidum Sahib,
I am siding with the ``Mohajir military dictator`` ONLY because he put an end to the massacre of Mohajirs in Karachi at the hands of the PPP Rangers. He also rid Pakistan of the corrupt and power-hungry yet ``democratically-elected`` ex-PM PPP Nawaz Sharif who has Mohajir blood on his hands. I am glad to learn about your lip-service to the so-called Biharis - the loyal Pakis ``stranded`` in BD. May Allah put some caffeine in your intoxicating refreshments.
{``Re: # 44
salim mian,
...... either way, you have lost it ! ........ i can`t believe that you are now siding with the mohajir military dictator because you think the ppps are against him ......... ``}
Hamidum Sahib,
I am siding with the ``Mohajir military dictator`` ONLY because he put an end to the massacre of Mohajirs in Karachi at the hands of the PPP Rangers. He also rid Pakistan of the corrupt and power-hungry yet ``democratically-elected`` ex-PM PPP Nawaz Sharif who has Mohajir blood on his hands. I am glad to learn about your lip-service to the so-called Biharis - the loyal Pakis ``stranded`` in BD. May Allah put some caffeine in your intoxicating refreshments.
#66 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 17, 2007 12:34:49 pm
#55 Zeemax {``Punjab alone is 2/3rd of the population. All the 3 other provinces plus the Northern Areas, FATA and AJK combined are 1/3.
Therefore, Punjab will always set the direction, and it is fair. Punjab is 2/3rd Pakistan, and no one should crib about it.``}
Mr. Zeemax,
Surely you exaggerate with that 2/3 ratio. Regardless, in 1971, Punjab was much less than 1/2 the population, now you say it is 2/3. At the rate you PPPs have been behaving, you will soon be 100% of the population. Good luck, sir.
Therefore, Punjab will always set the direction, and it is fair. Punjab is 2/3rd Pakistan, and no one should crib about it.``}
Mr. Zeemax,
Surely you exaggerate with that 2/3 ratio. Regardless, in 1971, Punjab was much less than 1/2 the population, now you say it is 2/3. At the rate you PPPs have been behaving, you will soon be 100% of the population. Good luck, sir.
#65 Posted by anil on March 17, 2007 12:28:58 pm
Hamidm Sahib:
Please go easy on Salim sahib, and continue to support him. He and Yasser stand out at Chowk. Salim was only correcting the fundoo Urstruly`s attempt to misinform chowkies. He, like Yasser, has tendency to let emotions take control.
Please go easy on Salim sahib, and continue to support him. He and Yasser stand out at Chowk. Salim was only correcting the fundoo Urstruly`s attempt to misinform chowkies. He, like Yasser, has tendency to let emotions take control.
#64 Posted by bjkumar on March 17, 2007 12:14:43 pm
#58 Hamidm2
[``urdu sheer ast, farsi sheer o` shakar ast, pukhtu goz-i-khar ast ``]
Sir, I am immensely relieved to learn that he stopped there and did not try to extrapolate to other languages of the region and of the world!
#63 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 10:35:03 am
Re: # 53
bj,
............i agre with geneive abdo 100% and more .............. regardless of tahmed`s positive spin, the world is in for big trouble with a raging islam - and that includes horrible hindoos like you .......... if it is any consolation, as an apostate and whatnot, i will be in trouble long before you ...........
bj,
............i agre with geneive abdo 100% and more .............. regardless of tahmed`s positive spin, the world is in for big trouble with a raging islam - and that includes horrible hindoos like you .......... if it is any consolation, as an apostate and whatnot, i will be in trouble long before you ...........
#62 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 10:12:30 am
Re: # 59
pepe le pew,
.... i hate to disappoint you, but even though i might occassionaly suffer from an identity crisis, i am a firm believer in the union of pakistan and the liberation of kashmir ......... as tahmed points out i`d rather be a paki than a monkey ``hopping from one tree to another howling ``paki! paki! paki!``
....... tahmed, thanks for your counselling :)
pepe le pew,
.... i hate to disappoint you, but even though i might occassionaly suffer from an identity crisis, i am a firm believer in the union of pakistan and the liberation of kashmir ......... as tahmed points out i`d rather be a paki than a monkey ``hopping from one tree to another howling ``paki! paki! paki!``
....... tahmed, thanks for your counselling :)
#61 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 10:01:15 am
Re: # 57
zeemax,
sure, here you go .... this is what i said about your ninja girls : `` i wouldn`t support their stand even if they prayed in the nude ! ``
............ it is a matter of principle - it has nothing to do with their attire (or lack thereof)
zeemax,
sure, here you go .... this is what i said about your ninja girls : `` i wouldn`t support their stand even if they prayed in the nude ! ``
............ it is a matter of principle - it has nothing to do with their attire (or lack thereof)
#60 Posted by tahmed32 on March 17, 2007 9:40:58 am
hamidm: you write i remain a man without an identity .......
let me then help you.....
do you deny your identity as a human being?
if you do....then see all these various traditions (ethnic, like pathan, panjabi etc., or religious like hindu, muslim etc, eastern, western and so forth) as being all part of the rich fabric of human history, particularly of the past 10,000 years. And you can consider yourself heir to ALL of these traditions. And be proud, because without this rich history, you and I and everyone else would be hopping from one tree to another howling ``paki! paki! paki!`` or something like that, searching for berries.
if you do indeed consider yourself to be without even the identity of a human being, then we can talk some more... :-)
let me then help you.....
do you deny your identity as a human being?
if you do....then see all these various traditions (ethnic, like pathan, panjabi etc., or religious like hindu, muslim etc, eastern, western and so forth) as being all part of the rich fabric of human history, particularly of the past 10,000 years. And you can consider yourself heir to ALL of these traditions. And be proud, because without this rich history, you and I and everyone else would be hopping from one tree to another howling ``paki! paki! paki!`` or something like that, searching for berries.
if you do indeed consider yourself to be without even the identity of a human being, then we can talk some more... :-)
#59 Posted by PewResearch on March 17, 2007 9:28:36 am
#58 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 9:21:41 am
Re: # 52
tahmed mian,
yiou ask: ``is there anything about your identity that you are proud of?``
........ no, not really? ..... actually, come to think of it, i really don`t have an identity and don`t want one either ......... when i was growing up my maternal grandfather used to tease me for being the son of a `teez-mar` (gas-passing) `dal-khor` punjabi so i never wanted to be identified as a punjabi ....... but then he also used to say things like ``urdu sheer ast, farsi sheer o` shakar ast, pukhtu goz-i-khar ast `` (urdu is like milk, farsi is milk and sugar and pushtu is like a donkey`s fart`) - i think he said these cruel things because he was a dari speaker and grandma was a pukhtu speaker ............ but it turned me off niswar and i don`t want to be identified as a pathan either ........
....... and even though i am properly circumcised and finished the koran many times, i don`t want to be identified as a muslim ...... why? .... the answer is obvious - half of them are suicidal and the other half is homicidal ........ and that is in addition to the problems with personal hygiene and facial hair (which also explains my aversion to being identified as a sikh) ........ i had toyed with the idea of reverting to hindooism and walking tall and proud as a shining indian, until i ran into the heeng eating horrible hindoos ........... so, i remain a man without an identity ...........
tahmed mian,
yiou ask: ``is there anything about your identity that you are proud of?``
........ no, not really? ..... actually, come to think of it, i really don`t have an identity and don`t want one either ......... when i was growing up my maternal grandfather used to tease me for being the son of a `teez-mar` (gas-passing) `dal-khor` punjabi so i never wanted to be identified as a punjabi ....... but then he also used to say things like ``urdu sheer ast, farsi sheer o` shakar ast, pukhtu goz-i-khar ast `` (urdu is like milk, farsi is milk and sugar and pushtu is like a donkey`s fart`) - i think he said these cruel things because he was a dari speaker and grandma was a pukhtu speaker ............ but it turned me off niswar and i don`t want to be identified as a pathan either ........
....... and even though i am properly circumcised and finished the koran many times, i don`t want to be identified as a muslim ...... why? .... the answer is obvious - half of them are suicidal and the other half is homicidal ........ and that is in addition to the problems with personal hygiene and facial hair (which also explains my aversion to being identified as a sikh) ........ i had toyed with the idea of reverting to hindooism and walking tall and proud as a shining indian, until i ran into the heeng eating horrible hindoos ........... so, i remain a man without an identity ...........
#57 Posted by zeemax on March 17, 2007 9:03:59 am
#56 by hamidm2
Hamidm did you answer my question re the ninjas of Jamia Hafsa and their demands on the other board? If you did it would be very kind of you to c/p here because Ican`t find it.
Hamidm did you answer my question re the ninjas of Jamia Hafsa and their demands on the other board? If you did it would be very kind of you to c/p here because Ican`t find it.
#56 Posted by hamidm2 on March 17, 2007 9:01:11 am
Re: # 50
bj,
.... thanks for reminding me to praise ylh ..... i have always been one of his staunchest supporters and have great hopes for the young man .......... i wish him the best in his crusade for democracy in pakistan and campaign against nudity across the border ........
ylh zindabad !
pakistan zindabad !
bj,
.... thanks for reminding me to praise ylh ..... i have always been one of his staunchest supporters and have great hopes for the young man .......... i wish him the best in his crusade for democracy in pakistan and campaign against nudity across the border ........
ylh zindabad !
pakistan zindabad !
#55 Posted by zeemax on March 17, 2007 9:00:11 am
#25 by Salim_Chauhan re #21 Zeemax {``As long as you`re a Pakistani (or claim to be), Punjabis are the majority and they will always have the last say in major decisions, as you`re seeing right now. There`s not even been a stir in your Karachi. ``}
Mr Salim Chauhan, when I said majority, I should have clarified what kind of majority.
Punjab alone is 2/3rd of the population. All the 3 other provinces plus the Northern Areas, FATA and AJK combined are 1/3.
Therefore, Punjab will always set the direction, and it is fair. Punjab is 2/3rd Pakistan, and no one should crib about it. Besides, Punjab has not stolen anyone`s rights but rather subsidised them as I have proven several times through facts & figures.
Mr Salim Chauhan, when I said majority, I should have clarified what kind of majority.
Punjab alone is 2/3rd of the population. All the 3 other provinces plus the Northern Areas, FATA and AJK combined are 1/3.
Therefore, Punjab will always set the direction, and it is fair. Punjab is 2/3rd Pakistan, and no one should crib about it. Besides, Punjab has not stolen anyone`s rights but rather subsidised them as I have proven several times through facts & figures.
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