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#134 Posted by jang on March 18, 2007 11:42:52 am
overall, its silly for pakis to attack musharaff, as it is not good for soveriegnity of pakistan. if musharaff becomes ``weaker``, he will be more succeptible to pressure from the south-asia desk and langley..he is more likely to sell out the easy stuff. this is offcourse assuming soverignty is a virtue by iteself.
#133 Posted by zeemax on March 18, 2007 11:01:33 am
#132 by scoutmaster,
Yes I`m worried too about Salim ... where`s dr. sohail? I think he needs a shot of pathedrine, and if that doesn`t work, then some electric jolts.
Yes I`m worried too about Salim ... where`s dr. sohail? I think he needs a shot of pathedrine, and if that doesn`t work, then some electric jolts.
#132 Posted by scoutmaster on March 18, 2007 10:54:39 am
Any doctors on Chowk? Please do something for Salim Bhai before he bursts a vein or something. He is the only warrior left in Pakistan. Salim Bhai Zindabad.;)
#131 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 10:23:37 am
by atif2 on March 18, 2007 5:08am PT on UP
#11 - excuse me injun! pakistan was defeated by just 3 wickets. India got clobbered by 5 (FIVE!) wickets
take that! ``}
So, the PPPs are down to this?
Claiming victory over the Injuns for having only three wickets inserted up their ass instead of the 5 the Injuns inhaled rectally. :)
#11 - excuse me injun! pakistan was defeated by just 3 wickets. India got clobbered by 5 (FIVE!) wickets
take that! ``}
So, the PPPs are down to this?
Claiming victory over the Injuns for having only three wickets inserted up their ass instead of the 5 the Injuns inhaled rectally. :)
#130 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 10:07:00 am
Zeena #5 on UP {``PPP and Nawaz league are together now against Mushy...Any idea why? ``
Zeena,
Very good question. These former ``democratically-elected`` ex-PMs now see a good chance to continue with their taking turns while looting Pakistan with both hands and both feet. They loot with their hands and then run with their feet to London, Switzerland, Abba Dabba Doobuy, and Soodi Rabia.
When Nawaz Besharif left in 1999, Pakistan`s economy was a mess. Foreign exchange was dried up. Capital investment was disappearing. Corruption was rampant. The Paki rupee was in free fall. Mushy came in - kicked out the thugs, reduced corruption, stabilized the Paki Rupee, encouraged investment and capital expenditure. and revived the economy.
Now these thieves see another opportunity to get rich at the expense of the poor hard-working Pakis - Punjabi and Sindhi subsitence farmers, exploited Baluchis, opium-growing Pathans, and enterprising Mohajirs.
They have their ``liberal`` PPP goondas and hooligans, like PPP lawyers, coming out in the streets to conduct mayhem, violence, and arson. Soon, the bearded brigade will join them to force Mushy into retirement and Pakistan into a civil war. May Allah strike these traitors dead in their aim to destroy what`s left of Pakistan.
Zeena,
Very good question. These former ``democratically-elected`` ex-PMs now see a good chance to continue with their taking turns while looting Pakistan with both hands and both feet. They loot with their hands and then run with their feet to London, Switzerland, Abba Dabba Doobuy, and Soodi Rabia.
When Nawaz Besharif left in 1999, Pakistan`s economy was a mess. Foreign exchange was dried up. Capital investment was disappearing. Corruption was rampant. The Paki rupee was in free fall. Mushy came in - kicked out the thugs, reduced corruption, stabilized the Paki Rupee, encouraged investment and capital expenditure. and revived the economy.
Now these thieves see another opportunity to get rich at the expense of the poor hard-working Pakis - Punjabi and Sindhi subsitence farmers, exploited Baluchis, opium-growing Pathans, and enterprising Mohajirs.
They have their ``liberal`` PPP goondas and hooligans, like PPP lawyers, coming out in the streets to conduct mayhem, violence, and arson. Soon, the bearded brigade will join them to force Mushy into retirement and Pakistan into a civil war. May Allah strike these traitors dead in their aim to destroy what`s left of Pakistan.
#129 Posted by arjun2 on March 18, 2007 9:58:09 am
HAHA...when he was forced to abandon the bodies of his soldiers on the mountains of kargil, it was a plot against him...when he overthrew an elected PM, it was a plot against him...
Pakistan dictator lashes at `plotters`
* Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
* March 19, 2007
EMBATTLED and besieged in a way unprecedented in his seven-year rule, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf lashed out last night at ``conspiracies`` against him over his attempts to sack the country`s top judge.
``If the people are with me, this conspiracy will not succeed,`` he declared.
But even as he spoke, new violence was erupting in Lahore, capital of the Punjab, with heavily armed riot police and protesting lawyers clashing for the seventh consecutive day.
And a leading Washington think tank said the ``political fate`` of the President, who came to power in a coup, could be decided at an imminent meeting of the army`s top commanders.
The extent of the pressure on General Musharraf emerged with the revelation that among those protesting on the streets - shoulder-to-shoulder with activists from the liberal democratic parties - have been retired former senior military officers, including the legendary general Hamid Gul, who served for years as chief of the ISI spy agency, working closely with the Taliban.
General Gul faced down riot police when they tried to arrest him at a rally outside the Supreme Court in Islamabad protesting against attempts to dismiss Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry.
One jurist who was arrested and bundled into the back of a paddy wagon in Lahore was the widely respected former president and justice of the Supreme Court, Rafiq Tarar, who would normally stand aloof from street demonstrations.
As one commentator in Islamabad put it last night: ``There`s been nothing like this in the seven years since Musharraf grabbed power. Before he tried to sack the Chief Justice in the way he did, it would have been inconceivable that you would get such a cross-section of people demonstrating in this way.
``It`s an indication of just how much trouble he is in.``
Washington-based think tank Stratfor said yesterday there were rumours that some military commanders had written to General Musharraf expressing concern at the way the Chief Justice`s suspension had been handled, and at the subsequent attack by riot police on the Islamabad offices of the Geo television station.
``Moreover, the political fate of the embattled President could be decided in a meeting of the corps commanders,`` it said.
The 10 corps commanders are the key figures in the country`s power structure. Grouped with them are other top generals, including the head of the ISI.
Traditionally, when the army has been in power in Pakistan - most of the 60 years since independence - it is the corps commanders who call the shots.
But General Musharraf, a former commando, is tough, and all the signs were that he would not go down without a fight.
Addressing a public rally at Pak Pattan, in the Punjab, General Musharraf said he had taken action over the Chief Justice because he was required to do so after the Government, headed by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, made the recommendation to him. ``I have no personal grudge with the Chief Justice,`` he said. ``I have good family relations with him. Stop hatching conspiracy against me.``
He claimed the attack by police on the Geo offices was ``another conspiracy``.
The brutal raid, in which journalists were beaten and equipment smashed, has been followed by an outpouring of apologies from General Musharraf down, most likely because Geo - headed by leading Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, one of the few people ever to interview Osama bin Laden - has such a high profile in Pakistani society.
Officials have suspended 14 Punjabi riot squad police. But yesterday the same riot police stormed the historic High Court in Lahore, firing tear gas canisters and thrashing protesting lawyers with bamboo sticks known as lathis.
Lawyers were beaten, offices were trashed and computers and other equipment damaged. Again, the targets of the police brutality were not political activists, but respected professionals, including some of the best legal minds in the country.
Courts remain paralysed, with lawyers promising another mass demonstration when the Supreme Judicial Council meets again on Wednesday to resume hearing the misconduct charges.
Meanwhile, a Hindu will be sworn in as acting chief justice of the Islamic nation when he returns from holiday in India. Rana Bhagwandas is the most senior judge on the Pakistan Supreme Court bench.
Pakistan dictator lashes at `plotters`
* Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
* March 19, 2007
EMBATTLED and besieged in a way unprecedented in his seven-year rule, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf lashed out last night at ``conspiracies`` against him over his attempts to sack the country`s top judge.
``If the people are with me, this conspiracy will not succeed,`` he declared.
But even as he spoke, new violence was erupting in Lahore, capital of the Punjab, with heavily armed riot police and protesting lawyers clashing for the seventh consecutive day.
And a leading Washington think tank said the ``political fate`` of the President, who came to power in a coup, could be decided at an imminent meeting of the army`s top commanders.
The extent of the pressure on General Musharraf emerged with the revelation that among those protesting on the streets - shoulder-to-shoulder with activists from the liberal democratic parties - have been retired former senior military officers, including the legendary general Hamid Gul, who served for years as chief of the ISI spy agency, working closely with the Taliban.
General Gul faced down riot police when they tried to arrest him at a rally outside the Supreme Court in Islamabad protesting against attempts to dismiss Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry.
One jurist who was arrested and bundled into the back of a paddy wagon in Lahore was the widely respected former president and justice of the Supreme Court, Rafiq Tarar, who would normally stand aloof from street demonstrations.
As one commentator in Islamabad put it last night: ``There`s been nothing like this in the seven years since Musharraf grabbed power. Before he tried to sack the Chief Justice in the way he did, it would have been inconceivable that you would get such a cross-section of people demonstrating in this way.
``It`s an indication of just how much trouble he is in.``
Washington-based think tank Stratfor said yesterday there were rumours that some military commanders had written to General Musharraf expressing concern at the way the Chief Justice`s suspension had been handled, and at the subsequent attack by riot police on the Islamabad offices of the Geo television station.
``Moreover, the political fate of the embattled President could be decided in a meeting of the corps commanders,`` it said.
The 10 corps commanders are the key figures in the country`s power structure. Grouped with them are other top generals, including the head of the ISI.
Traditionally, when the army has been in power in Pakistan - most of the 60 years since independence - it is the corps commanders who call the shots.
But General Musharraf, a former commando, is tough, and all the signs were that he would not go down without a fight.
Addressing a public rally at Pak Pattan, in the Punjab, General Musharraf said he had taken action over the Chief Justice because he was required to do so after the Government, headed by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, made the recommendation to him. ``I have no personal grudge with the Chief Justice,`` he said. ``I have good family relations with him. Stop hatching conspiracy against me.``
He claimed the attack by police on the Geo offices was ``another conspiracy``.
The brutal raid, in which journalists were beaten and equipment smashed, has been followed by an outpouring of apologies from General Musharraf down, most likely because Geo - headed by leading Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, one of the few people ever to interview Osama bin Laden - has such a high profile in Pakistani society.
Officials have suspended 14 Punjabi riot squad police. But yesterday the same riot police stormed the historic High Court in Lahore, firing tear gas canisters and thrashing protesting lawyers with bamboo sticks known as lathis.
Lawyers were beaten, offices were trashed and computers and other equipment damaged. Again, the targets of the police brutality were not political activists, but respected professionals, including some of the best legal minds in the country.
Courts remain paralysed, with lawyers promising another mass demonstration when the Supreme Judicial Council meets again on Wednesday to resume hearing the misconduct charges.
Meanwhile, a Hindu will be sworn in as acting chief justice of the Islamic nation when he returns from holiday in India. Rana Bhagwandas is the most senior judge on the Pakistan Supreme Court bench.
#128 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 9:40:53 am
Sun Tani and Jeemax,
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
#127 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:49:31 am
The amazing truth from all the spectacle of brick throwing, uncontrolled violence. vandalism, and PPP hooliganism is that the Pakistani Punjabi police has not killed anyone in Islamabad or Lahore. If the same type of riots had taken place in Dacca, Karachi, Quetta, Gilgit, Skardu, or Wana, there would be hundreds (if not thousands) dead by now. Let`s applaud the restraint demonstrated by the Pakistani Punjabi police against their own brethren. Ma`shallah. :)
#126 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:43:47 am
#119, subhashjoshi {``That`s good news, now the problem of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation is resolved.
This is what they call serendipity! ``}
Subhash Bhai,
Call it serendipity or a deputy of stupidity. All`s well that ends well. I am always looking for silver linings even under the cloud of Chacha Buttees` gray hair. :)
This is what they call serendipity! ``}
Subhash Bhai,
Call it serendipity or a deputy of stupidity. All`s well that ends well. I am always looking for silver linings even under the cloud of Chacha Buttees` gray hair. :)
#125 Posted by nasah on March 18, 2007 8:40:08 am
``Far from leading Pakistan toward democracy, Gen. Musharraf is systematically dismantling liberal and secular institutions in a country already threatened by Islamic extremism.
One of those is the Supreme Court, which has a strong record of independence and is looked to by many Pakistanis as a guarantor of the rule of law.
Gen. Musharraf`s attempt to neuter the court is matched by his implacable refusal to come to terms with Pakistan`s secular democratic political parties and former civilian prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.
These are his natural allies in a battle against the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Yet to protect his own grip on power, Gen. Musharraf prefers to make deals with the extremists while repressing the secularists.
...some in the Bush administration argue that it`s worth tolerating and subsidizing Gen. Musharraf`s autocracy because it is an ally against terrorism.
But there, too, the general does not deliver. He has handed control of Waziristan, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban, which is allowing al-Qaeda to operate training camps while waging war against U.S. and NATO forces across the border. Both houses of Congress have passed legislation linking further aid to Pakistan to steps against the Taliban.``
I did not write that against the man of `enlightened moderation` -- that is an excerpt from today`s editorial in Washington Post.
One of those is the Supreme Court, which has a strong record of independence and is looked to by many Pakistanis as a guarantor of the rule of law.
Gen. Musharraf`s attempt to neuter the court is matched by his implacable refusal to come to terms with Pakistan`s secular democratic political parties and former civilian prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.
These are his natural allies in a battle against the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Yet to protect his own grip on power, Gen. Musharraf prefers to make deals with the extremists while repressing the secularists.
...some in the Bush administration argue that it`s worth tolerating and subsidizing Gen. Musharraf`s autocracy because it is an ally against terrorism.
But there, too, the general does not deliver. He has handed control of Waziristan, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban, which is allowing al-Qaeda to operate training camps while waging war against U.S. and NATO forces across the border. Both houses of Congress have passed legislation linking further aid to Pakistan to steps against the Taliban.``
I did not write that against the man of `enlightened moderation` -- that is an excerpt from today`s editorial in Washington Post.
#124 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:38:55 am
#119, Ranjit {``Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero. ``}
Ranit Bhai,
Au contraire mon frere. :) Bangladesh is part of my dream for reuniting Bharat Mata. The recent world cup matches reveal a competent team of desi kirkit players. Now, we will wait and see the inherent brilliance of the Nepali, Afghan, Bhutan, and Maldives kirkit pahalwans. :) Jai Akhund Bharat.
Ranit Bhai,
Au contraire mon frere. :) Bangladesh is part of my dream for reuniting Bharat Mata. The recent world cup matches reveal a competent team of desi kirkit players. Now, we will wait and see the inherent brilliance of the Nepali, Afghan, Bhutan, and Maldives kirkit pahalwans. :) Jai Akhund Bharat.
#123 Posted by fuzair on March 18, 2007 8:24:39 am
Pew,
What is ``evidence?`` Which bit of it would you find convincing? I suggest you read his stuff, Rediff and the South Asian Analysis Group is full of his writing, and then decide for yourself if his take on Pakistan is worth paying attention to.
Regards.
What is ``evidence?`` Which bit of it would you find convincing? I suggest you read his stuff, Rediff and the South Asian Analysis Group is full of his writing, and then decide for yourself if his take on Pakistan is worth paying attention to.
Regards.
#122 Posted by nasah on March 18, 2007 7:58:04 am
``Govt won’t allow Opp to hurt dignity of judiciary: PM
ISLAMABAD: The government will not allow the opposition to undermine the dignity of the judiciary, said Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Saturday``
Only the Govt. is `allowed` to -- ``hurt the dignity of judiciary`` -- not the Opposition -- the Mouse that roared...:)
ISLAMABAD: The government will not allow the opposition to undermine the dignity of the judiciary, said Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Saturday``
Only the Govt. is `allowed` to -- ``hurt the dignity of judiciary`` -- not the Opposition -- the Mouse that roared...:)
#121 Posted by PewResearch on March 18, 2007 7:16:17 am
Re: # 91 Fuzair
``...The author of this ``reliable`` report, B. Raman, is one of the worst Pak-haters in India...``
Care to share any evidence to back your above claim?
``...The author of this ``reliable`` report, B. Raman, is one of the worst Pak-haters in India...``
Care to share any evidence to back your above claim?
#120 Posted by tahmed32 on March 18, 2007 5:33:41 am
A true Pakistani leader
ISLAMABAD - March 17: Islamabad Bar Association President Haroonur Rashid lying on his hospital bed under anaesthesia at the ICU ward of Pims after suffering head injuries.— Photo by G.A. Zaidi
ISLAMABAD - March 17: Islamabad Bar Association President Haroonur Rashid lying on his hospital bed under anaesthesia at the ICU ward of Pims after suffering head injuries.— Photo by G.A. Zaidi
#119 Posted by Ranjit on March 18, 2007 3:52:59 am
Re:Salim_Chauhan#107
[..Biharis Refuse Repatriation to Pakistan.....losing to the Irish cricket team. From now on we will cheer for our Bangladeshi team....]
Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero.
[..Biharis Refuse Repatriation to Pakistan.....losing to the Irish cricket team. From now on we will cheer for our Bangladeshi team....]
Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero.
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