Karamatullah K Ghori March 16, 2007
#113 Posted by zeemax on March 17, 2007 10:56:56 pm
#101 by nasah,
It is clear that musharraf himself nor his cabinet nor the PM knew of that attack. For the first time I do not believe they`re lying. It is obvious from their faces. It is indeed a move by other very powerful men after having seen the shift in public opinion against musharraf. He`ll be out on his butt soon.
It is the most plausible scenario that the Geo attack was orchestrated by the Chaudhry`s of Gujrat (remember it was the Punjab Police, not federal, which did it). Shujaat conveneintly left for USA and hasn`t uttered a word, neither has Parvez Elahi. They have seen the paradigm shift and have ditched musharraf. You might also recall that at the time of the alleged NS attack on Supreme court, Shujaat was the Federal Interior Minister and Pervaiz Elahi the Speaker of Punjab Assembly, and busloads from Gujrat had arrived to witness the SC proceedings against NS and made all the ruckus and got enough public opinion plus military support to expel NS. Remember? Same thing is happening now.
I have no doubt the Chaudhry`s are behind the whole thing, but for good reason this time. And you can count on Pervez Elahi as your next PM. Having observed how the Chaudhries operate since a long time (and some of them personally), I know they`ve made a major move on the chessboard. They`re great chessplayers.
Regards.
It is clear that musharraf himself nor his cabinet nor the PM knew of that attack. For the first time I do not believe they`re lying. It is obvious from their faces. It is indeed a move by other very powerful men after having seen the shift in public opinion against musharraf. He`ll be out on his butt soon.
It is the most plausible scenario that the Geo attack was orchestrated by the Chaudhry`s of Gujrat (remember it was the Punjab Police, not federal, which did it). Shujaat conveneintly left for USA and hasn`t uttered a word, neither has Parvez Elahi. They have seen the paradigm shift and have ditched musharraf. You might also recall that at the time of the alleged NS attack on Supreme court, Shujaat was the Federal Interior Minister and Pervaiz Elahi the Speaker of Punjab Assembly, and busloads from Gujrat had arrived to witness the SC proceedings against NS and made all the ruckus and got enough public opinion plus military support to expel NS. Remember? Same thing is happening now.
I have no doubt the Chaudhry`s are behind the whole thing, but for good reason this time. And you can count on Pervez Elahi as your next PM. Having observed how the Chaudhries operate since a long time (and some of them personally), I know they`ve made a major move on the chessboard. They`re great chessplayers.
Regards.
#114 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 17, 2007 11:00:01 pm
Re: # 107 Salim
That`s good news, now the problem of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation is resolved.
This is what they call serendipity!
That`s good news, now the problem of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation is resolved.
This is what they call serendipity!
#115 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 17, 2007 11:11:55 pm
Re: # 90 Hamidm
It has been already proved scientifically that Hanuman is much stronger than Allah.
Long time back a contest was held between the two - to see who can hit the other harder. Allah struck Hanuman so hard, he went flying and came back limping after 7 days (meanwhile Allah got time to create the world which he did rather badly). Then it was Hanuman`s turn, and to this day Muslims start their prayers with Ajaan ``Allah, where are you, come back.......``.
It has been already proved scientifically that Hanuman is much stronger than Allah.
Long time back a contest was held between the two - to see who can hit the other harder. Allah struck Hanuman so hard, he went flying and came back limping after 7 days (meanwhile Allah got time to create the world which he did rather badly). Then it was Hanuman`s turn, and to this day Muslims start their prayers with Ajaan ``Allah, where are you, come back.......``.
#116 Posted by zeemax on March 17, 2007 11:29:59 pm
subhashjoshi,
Please learn to delete the extra space at the end of your posts out of respect for chowk space which is is wasted in this manner, as most chowkies ensure to do except for hindoos who don`t care.
Please learn to delete the extra space at the end of your posts out of respect for chowk space which is is wasted in this manner, as most chowkies ensure to do except for hindoos who don`t care.
#117 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 18, 2007 12:55:04 am
Re: # 116
That space is for the picture of Allah left blank out of respect for your religious sentiments.
That space is for the picture of Allah left blank out of respect for your religious sentiments.
#118 Posted by Ranjit on March 18, 2007 3:25:18 am
Re:ahmedmadani#108
Madaniji, actually I believe Musharraf is good for Pakistan and he is definitely good for India as well. He has tried to change the culture there to make it more liberal and open for e.g. opening the Katasraj temple for hindus. Also his retraction of Pakistan`s position on UN resolutions in Kashmir has certainly helped India in Kashmir.
I just hope that he doesnt make too big a mess of the current situation and loses power due to a military coup. He is doing all this for his ``reelection``. I wonder why he doesnt declare himself President/Army Chief for life and be done with it instead of having so-called elections.
Madaniji, actually I believe Musharraf is good for Pakistan and he is definitely good for India as well. He has tried to change the culture there to make it more liberal and open for e.g. opening the Katasraj temple for hindus. Also his retraction of Pakistan`s position on UN resolutions in Kashmir has certainly helped India in Kashmir.
I just hope that he doesnt make too big a mess of the current situation and loses power due to a military coup. He is doing all this for his ``reelection``. I wonder why he doesnt declare himself President/Army Chief for life and be done with it instead of having so-called elections.
#119 Posted by Ranjit on March 18, 2007 3:52:59 am
Re:Salim_Chauhan#107
[..Biharis Refuse Repatriation to Pakistan.....losing to the Irish cricket team. From now on we will cheer for our Bangladeshi team....]
Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero.
[..Biharis Refuse Repatriation to Pakistan.....losing to the Irish cricket team. From now on we will cheer for our Bangladeshi team....]
Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero.
#120 Posted by tahmed32 on March 18, 2007 5:33:41 am
A true Pakistani leader
ISLAMABAD - March 17: Islamabad Bar Association President Haroonur Rashid lying on his hospital bed under anaesthesia at the ICU ward of Pims after suffering head injuries.— Photo by G.A. Zaidi
ISLAMABAD - March 17: Islamabad Bar Association President Haroonur Rashid lying on his hospital bed under anaesthesia at the ICU ward of Pims after suffering head injuries.— Photo by G.A. Zaidi
#121 Posted by PewResearch on March 18, 2007 7:16:17 am
Re: # 91 Fuzair
``...The author of this ``reliable`` report, B. Raman, is one of the worst Pak-haters in India...``
Care to share any evidence to back your above claim?
``...The author of this ``reliable`` report, B. Raman, is one of the worst Pak-haters in India...``
Care to share any evidence to back your above claim?
#122 Posted by nasah on March 18, 2007 7:58:04 am
``Govt won’t allow Opp to hurt dignity of judiciary: PM
ISLAMABAD: The government will not allow the opposition to undermine the dignity of the judiciary, said Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Saturday``
Only the Govt. is `allowed` to -- ``hurt the dignity of judiciary`` -- not the Opposition -- the Mouse that roared...:)
ISLAMABAD: The government will not allow the opposition to undermine the dignity of the judiciary, said Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Saturday``
Only the Govt. is `allowed` to -- ``hurt the dignity of judiciary`` -- not the Opposition -- the Mouse that roared...:)
#123 Posted by fuzair on March 18, 2007 8:24:39 am
Pew,
What is ``evidence?`` Which bit of it would you find convincing? I suggest you read his stuff, Rediff and the South Asian Analysis Group is full of his writing, and then decide for yourself if his take on Pakistan is worth paying attention to.
Regards.
What is ``evidence?`` Which bit of it would you find convincing? I suggest you read his stuff, Rediff and the South Asian Analysis Group is full of his writing, and then decide for yourself if his take on Pakistan is worth paying attention to.
Regards.
#124 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:38:55 am
#119, Ranjit {``Salim bhai, this is the last nail in the coffin for your dream of reuniting India and Pakistan. The only positive outcome of such a reunification was supposedly a ``world-beating`` cricket team. What a joke!! Put zero and zero and you still get a zero. ``}
Ranit Bhai,
Au contraire mon frere. :) Bangladesh is part of my dream for reuniting Bharat Mata. The recent world cup matches reveal a competent team of desi kirkit players. Now, we will wait and see the inherent brilliance of the Nepali, Afghan, Bhutan, and Maldives kirkit pahalwans. :) Jai Akhund Bharat.
Ranit Bhai,
Au contraire mon frere. :) Bangladesh is part of my dream for reuniting Bharat Mata. The recent world cup matches reveal a competent team of desi kirkit players. Now, we will wait and see the inherent brilliance of the Nepali, Afghan, Bhutan, and Maldives kirkit pahalwans. :) Jai Akhund Bharat.
#125 Posted by nasah on March 18, 2007 8:40:08 am
``Far from leading Pakistan toward democracy, Gen. Musharraf is systematically dismantling liberal and secular institutions in a country already threatened by Islamic extremism.
One of those is the Supreme Court, which has a strong record of independence and is looked to by many Pakistanis as a guarantor of the rule of law.
Gen. Musharraf`s attempt to neuter the court is matched by his implacable refusal to come to terms with Pakistan`s secular democratic political parties and former civilian prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.
These are his natural allies in a battle against the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Yet to protect his own grip on power, Gen. Musharraf prefers to make deals with the extremists while repressing the secularists.
...some in the Bush administration argue that it`s worth tolerating and subsidizing Gen. Musharraf`s autocracy because it is an ally against terrorism.
But there, too, the general does not deliver. He has handed control of Waziristan, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban, which is allowing al-Qaeda to operate training camps while waging war against U.S. and NATO forces across the border. Both houses of Congress have passed legislation linking further aid to Pakistan to steps against the Taliban.``
I did not write that against the man of `enlightened moderation` -- that is an excerpt from today`s editorial in Washington Post.
One of those is the Supreme Court, which has a strong record of independence and is looked to by many Pakistanis as a guarantor of the rule of law.
Gen. Musharraf`s attempt to neuter the court is matched by his implacable refusal to come to terms with Pakistan`s secular democratic political parties and former civilian prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.
These are his natural allies in a battle against the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Yet to protect his own grip on power, Gen. Musharraf prefers to make deals with the extremists while repressing the secularists.
...some in the Bush administration argue that it`s worth tolerating and subsidizing Gen. Musharraf`s autocracy because it is an ally against terrorism.
But there, too, the general does not deliver. He has handed control of Waziristan, on the border with Afghanistan, to the Taliban, which is allowing al-Qaeda to operate training camps while waging war against U.S. and NATO forces across the border. Both houses of Congress have passed legislation linking further aid to Pakistan to steps against the Taliban.``
I did not write that against the man of `enlightened moderation` -- that is an excerpt from today`s editorial in Washington Post.
#126 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:43:47 am
#119, subhashjoshi {``That`s good news, now the problem of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation is resolved.
This is what they call serendipity! ``}
Subhash Bhai,
Call it serendipity or a deputy of stupidity. All`s well that ends well. I am always looking for silver linings even under the cloud of Chacha Buttees` gray hair. :)
This is what they call serendipity! ``}
Subhash Bhai,
Call it serendipity or a deputy of stupidity. All`s well that ends well. I am always looking for silver linings even under the cloud of Chacha Buttees` gray hair. :)
#127 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 8:49:31 am
The amazing truth from all the spectacle of brick throwing, uncontrolled violence. vandalism, and PPP hooliganism is that the Pakistani Punjabi police has not killed anyone in Islamabad or Lahore. If the same type of riots had taken place in Dacca, Karachi, Quetta, Gilgit, Skardu, or Wana, there would be hundreds (if not thousands) dead by now. Let`s applaud the restraint demonstrated by the Pakistani Punjabi police against their own brethren. Ma`shallah. :)
#128 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 9:40:53 am
Sun Tani and Jeemax,
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
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