Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen

I guess you will continue to promote Ahmedism, and I will continue, when I have time and inclination, to keep drawing your attention to actual Islam. :)

Hope you understand that there is nothing personal from my side, except good wishes for you, even success in your Ahmedi Jihad, if that`s what drives you.

kaal, I engaged you only when you made very specific, twisted claims against Ahmadi-Muslims, and refused to back them up.

You stop acting like an idiot, and I’ll consider your request.

[But then again, part of fun on chowk is to kick around a few goons on a slow day at work ... so I can`t promise anything !!!

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Exactly, swarrier. Power, domination, expansion - these in themselves are great virtues; some argue, the root of all other values. It`s frustrating that many of our friends don`t get this elementary fact, and that others are unwilling to publicly acknowledge it. There is an understandable fear paralyzing people. As if understanding ITSELF will hurt them!!

sattar sahib

There are many very good individuals on Chowk. They are so far above my league, as you suggested, that I never get into any arguments with them. With your permission may we reach a similar understanding between us? It`s unfair to waste your time knowing that while I may learn much from you, you can gain nothing from me. Thanks in anticipation.

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[Uniquely powerful. It motivates and gives meaning to the lives of millions and millions and millions of people. ]

Of course Kaal knows that this analogy could be applied to any ideology that is devoted survival of any species. They all want to live and breed and perpetuate their genes. Everything else is hogwash.

Kaal is time, unchanging. -)

kaal,

... no point trying to sound like a slain hero. It seems Virginia Tech incident is taking its toll on you. And if you want credit, it’s yours to be had. But work for it, without rambling incoherently.

Sahib, if you support killing innocent people, then why not start from your own backyard? Charity begins at home. Start from yourself, and then work outwards. Or is the pain too much to bear?

Your master’s faith has given the message of suicide bombing and desperation to others. This explains why I volunteered you to pull his pin. I guess the irony was lost on you.

Thanks for trying to clarify … but I think you need help. Will you be sending a video to NBC next???

LOL, It`s ok, sattar sahib. I could rattle those screws in your head (and mine) a lot more by telling you, straight-faced and in complete sincerity, that I fully support the killing of innocent people.

But one can only have so much fun.

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Hamidm2 sahib has trapped me, as only he can. But although chowk is not about individuals, there is nothing hidden, or a game with me. So please excuse me as I indulge in a bit of vain talk.

Look, bhai jan. I am NOT a Muslim. Shirk is my middle name. I oppose every kind of Jihad, particularly the nonviolent type. And I can`t imagine any God other than a well-fed rat. Zeemax Ustaad knows that. He understand that I am a non-Muslim.

While you, sattar bhai, may be able to argue your way into Heaven, I am doomed to go to hell. No ifs and buts about that.

But I try to understand Zeemax Sahib on his own terms. And his faith as well, which is and has been a very very powerful force. Uniquely powerful. It motivates and gives meaning to the lives of millions and millions and millions of people.

For both Zeemax and his tradition, I have enormous respect, irrespective of what his (future) success may do to my personal interests. As much as humanly possible, I try not to let my personal interests, likes, and dislikes color my understanding.

You could call that crazy, if you like. I have no problem with that. Really now, any further focus on me or anyone else as a person will be useless.

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hamidm2, apologies, Sir. These are all good people, and sattar bhai may be the very best of all. Only if he gave others a little bit of credit too. :)

The m`s came because I missed the comma, that`s plot 38, P.O.Box 8214.

It`s also a very nice printing and binding job.

Ref for HP:

The Life of Muhammad, A translation of Sirat Rasul Allah, ISBN 0 19 636033 1, Oxford University Press, 2004, Printed in Pakistan by Mas Printers, Karachi.
Published by Ameen Saiyid, Plot No.38m Sector 15, Korangi Ind Area. PO Box 8214m, Karachi - 74900, Pakistan.

Page 676.

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Now there was a great commotion among B.Khatma that day about the affair of Bint Marwan. She had five sons, and when `Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, `I have killed Bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don`t keep me waiting`. That was the first day that Islam became powerful among B.Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact. The first of them to accept Islam was `Umayr b.` Adiy who was called `the Reader`, and `Abdullah b. Aus and Khuzayma b. Thabit. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam.

hamidm,

If zeemax gets on the bus wearing a suit, it means no suicide belt. But if he is wearing an arabic jubba, all bets are off. Time to sprint …

So kaal MiaN, we are all wondering: is this all an act, or are you really that foolish?? Kindly clarify, but without philosophical ramblings this time! Review your gem, #286, for clarification … I am still scratching my head over it …

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kaal,

.......... and why are you tormenting sattar mian ?............ good folks like you, i, hp, sattar and the idiot tehsin should be united against evil people like zeemax (although i must admit that i would get off your bus in a hurry if zeemax gets on wearing a suicide belt) ......

hamidm (#300),

I initially suspected the same and asked him, kaalchakra, if all this is “just an act” (another board). It’s hard to imagine someone as idiotic as him … but then again, that very well could be the case. He seems a bit like a lost puppy who followed zeemax home through back alleys of Chowk.

Then again, it all could be an act. But don’t blame me … even zeemax is getting romantic and starting to post inspiring poetry for his (make-belief?) stooge.

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hp,


why are you tormenting poor kisan ?....... if i read him correctly, al-khatmi is mentioned in Ibn Ishaq`s Sira which is an authentic source - much more than the koran, whose author is unknown, and Bukhari who wrote all this stuff down almist two hundred years later ........... i think kisan is doing us all a service by pointing out the flaws in the character of the prophet

kaal, ... like I said, either put up or shut up. Taking cheap shots, then back-paddling, then citing lack of interest ... is futile.

Your master is now trying to justify suicide bombings. These are the real demons you are in denial of. It is now time for you to get up from the armchair, pick up your head, and screw it back on -:)

sattar

You really do think like a child, mere bhai. Please learn what intellectual potency means from solid thinkers like zeemax, hamidm2, tehsinabbasi, and HP. You share so much with them, yet so little.

kaal MiaN (#299),

You are now acting like a castrated bull.

You initially criticized Ahamdi-Muslims. When asked for details, you started rambling philosophically (#286). When pushed further, you are claiming you have no interest in the subject.

You are way out of your league on this one … either put up, or shut up. You too are an intellectually impotent, lame person.

zeemax (#297),

So your ideological issues against Ahmadis are merely hot air. Ahem. No wonder you’ve been acting like a constipated monkey all this time :)

And I don’t know what books you are reading. I provided a sample of Maudoodi to illustrate this point. You may also support blowing up infidel children in the name of jihad … and insist that those who disagree are biased! Your problem, not mine.

You probably know what they say about opinions. You have too many of them. You are an intellectually impotent, lame person. No wonder ummah is going to the dogs …