Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen

samar, remember I am talking about being fair or unfair in legal matters like right to property, right to life, right to practice one`s religion peacefully and responsibilities to follow the laws and pay the taxes.....killing, systematic pogroms, interference in religious matters of others etc falls outside of that fair unfair scale....in a liberal democracy that does not happen. Indian democracy is not iberal yet and have many miles to go before it matures as one.

sadna`s post is filtered out?

That to me is completely ridiculous. She may be incoherent, illogical and have no idea what she is talking about -mostly, but that is no reason to filter her posts.
Is she paying a price for posting on BJKumar`s ridiculous short story?

Btw, BJ kumar is back to his old self..that shouldn`t surprise any one....

I just read the article ... all I can do is laugh ... hahaha :)

contd....#147.....

I mean, I find it so funny because a Swiss guy has just been sentenced to 10 years in prison for spraying graffiti on a couple of the Thai King`s posters ... and he isn`t even a minor everyday sort of prophet of God ... haha ..while that guy Muhammad was the LAST and the BEST prophet of God with a following a whole lot bigger than that of the Thai King ... Haha ... so killing is fair in that case just given the natural progression of the scale of insult .. haha ...

No? (ROTFL)

Sorry .. (LOL)

Re: # 148

Go crawl back into you cave you senile twit, your posts make no sense. I hope their is a fatwa on stupidity and you would be the first on the list.

#149,

Hahaha .. imbeciles like you make me split in peels .. haha ... you`re a good addition to the monkey club here ... as is the ape of #143 .. LOL

Sir — The editorial, “Muscling in” (April 18), expresses the view of most Indians when it says that “the more India changes, the more it remains the same”. While globalization is supposed to have created a generation of very modern young people, there are groups which still believe that religious difference can be reason enough to keep two persons apart. The fanaticism displayed by the group which raided the Mumbai office of Star News is beyond condemnation. It proves yet again that India is still a land of bigoted beliefs.

Yours faithfully,

GT, Kaal:

My two Can cents worth:

Islam can be the basis for a humane and compassionate society. The Moorish rule over Spain, Mughal rule over India and Usmani rule over Europe and Gulf societies even today show that minorities can live peacefully and prosper under Islamic rule, as long as they are prepared to accept the dhimmi status accorded to them under Islam. However, Islam and Democracy, in my opinion, cannot coexist. How can the sovereignty of Allah and the sovereignty of people be compatible to each other? Interpretations of the Quran, like the interpretation of any constitution can vary but the basic difference is that the constitution itself can be changed under one and not under the other - and therein lies the basic difference.

Re: # 137 by kaalchakra:

Kaal:

I tried, but I simply could not understand your post.

My reading of Raw_Dust`s position is as follows: Democracy in an Islamis society (Pakistan in particular) cannot be liberal.

I disagree. That is about it. Both, I presume, understand the other`s position, belief or what have you.

You are a vague God indeed.

#148 by zeemax on April 20, 2007 4:02am PT


while that guy Muhammad was the LAST and the BEST prophet of God with a following a whole lot bigger than that of the Thai King ... Haha


Mohammed was a paedophile camel jockey...come and prosecute me...

haha

Re: #152 dost_mittar,
``How can the sovereignty of Allah and the sovereignty of people be compatible to each other?``

Because people interpret the will of Allah.

``Interpretations of the Quran, like the interpretation of any constitution can vary but the basic difference is that the constitution itself can be changed under one and not under the other - and therein lies the basic difference. ``

Why not? The Quran cannot be changed. But the constitution of an Islamic state is not the Quran itself but an interpretation of it.

Re: # 152 by dost-mittar

D.M.:

You say:

``Interpretations of the Quran, like the interpretation of any constitution can vary but the basic difference is that the constitution itself can be changed under one and not under the other - and therein lies the basic difference.``

Very true. But is it necessary, at present, to be able to discard the Koran to usher in liberal democracy in Islamic countries? Raw_Dust will say ``yes`` and I say ``no``. I believe that the ability to interpret the Koran differently is sufficient, at least for the present.

Living under the lie: ``In God we trust`` - does not affect my day to day life at all. The `status` of illegal immigrants is stll pathetic, and yet we see migration. The ability to `convert` to a US citizen is just fine for most. The ability to `convert out of` US citizenship is thankfully acknowledged by some and hardly applied by any.

My point is that if I were to just take the Koran and believe that it will be implemented in a society according to my interpretation of that document, I have no problem at all. The problem arises with different interpretations. In fact, I believe, the Koran allows for a wider range of interpretation than say the US constitution.

Of course, I may be totally wrong.

khurram#155:

``Why not? The Quran cannot be changed. But the constitution of an Islamic state is not the Quran itself but an interpretation of it. ``


I doubt that any constitution based on the quran can cross the hadood. I may be wrong but I would like to see some examples of a society where Islam is the basis of constitution where Muslims and Non-Muslims have identical rights. In such a society,

- Can a Muslim be allowed to convert to another religion just as a non-muslim can convert to islam?

- Can blasphemy or apostacy be considered a non-cognizable offense?

- Can adultery be considered a non-congnizable offense?

- Can the marriage of a non-muslim man to a muslim woman be considered as acceptable?

Just a few concrete examples which show that there are some very severe restrictions on the interpretation of the Quran.

GT:

``In fact, I believe, the Koran allows for a wider range of interpretation than say the US constitution.``

I think that my post to Khurram is a valid response to yours as well.

Re: # 156

GT,

stop playing the devil`s advocate ! .... oops, i meant al-lah`s

you cannot put lipstick on a pig and call it a horse ..............

#155 is a gem.

So, Ahmedis right to be who they want to be will pretty much depend on each election cycle and how the new Representatives ``interpret`` the verse regarding Khatim un Nabyyeen. One term they are Muslim, come next election they are Apostates (cos they were muslims before), then they are something else. Brilliant!