Understanding the Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen

Re: # 32

So you think Asma Bint Marwan should have been murdered? So should Taslima. Hey dummy fyi some clerics in Saudi Arabia think the same applies to Shias. Are they Hindus? Obviously you have no problem with Maulana!@!@#.

The starting point for all of this is how Mohammed dealt with those who did not get his message. DEATH to them. Now the violence spewed by Lal Masjid clerics is quite plausibly an extension of this mindset.

Prophet wasn`t perfect, get over it, deal with it. Stop killing people because of it.

Re: # 32

I have no desire to see anyone killed because of their religious likes/dislikes. How about you?

Re: # 23, eastmwest,

Though it a diversion from the article it must be stated that many progressive thoughts are attributed to Islam and rightly so. I will enumerate a few below.

1) Equality of all human beings. No discrimination on the basis of caste, creed, colour, ethnicity. In the US slavery was abolished in the nineteenth century whereas it was abolished in the Muslim world as soon as Islam became powerful.

2) Equality between men and women. Laws of inheritance are the best in Islam.

3) True belief in oneness of God which is quite progressive thing to implement in those times.

4) It encouraged simplicity, piousness, brotherhood, honesty.

5) Islam is a complete way of life. Religion plays a vital role in day to day affairs of the society and the politics so nobody is absolved from his duties even in day to day affairs.

Though Islam is a progressive religion it has inherent weaknesses too. Firstly there is no Christian type Church. This has made it pron to interpretations by any lallu-jagdhar. This has caused it to grow into many rigid forces fighting between themselves because the one seen to be more inflexible was treated as more faithful. From the very beginning interpreters prevented it from growing into a free and open religion bringing into itself many new and modern ideas. Many scholars were killed and subdued. Many poets and scientists whom Muslims today claim to be theirs can not be treated as Muslims at all. This is a fact that Islam has played a vital role in furthering progress and modernity in the past it requires some kind of reform now. They may not change Koran but they must interpret it so that it may be projected as progressive, forward looking and united force able to face challenges posed by modern realities.

Samar

Re: # 19
``1) ``Is killing for any reason treated as MURDER under INDIAN PENAL CODE?``

2) ``Is desecration of a place of worship, a religious book, constitution, flag, parliament etc etc an offense attracting death penalty under INDIAN PENAL CODE?``

3) ``Is not ADVISING to kill synonymous to instigating to kill which is a punishable offense.``

4) ``Is there nothing in INDIAN PENAL CODE to take action against one who ADVISES to kill.``

Because these days fatwas are to be taken as advises the word ADVISE assumes significance.

Anyone having knowledge of Indian Laws should come forward and reply. ``

I have always maintained that these mullahs should be booked under IPC for incitment to people to attempt murder. A call in public to murder someone is an act of criminal conspiracy as defined under the Indian Penal Code, Section 120. Section 307 of the code defines what constitutes an “attempt to murder” and this mullah should be booked under these sections. Infact courts should suo motu take cognizance of this provocation because it is also an attempt to disrupt public peace and harmony.
I have already written to the hon`rable HC to take cognizance of this and direct the police to file an FIR against this mullah and arrest him immediately. Infact, if anything happens to Taslima this mullah should be the first person to be arrested and sent to jail - along with his co-conspirators.

Re: # 35

I agree with your points. They are the reasons that Islam has attracted so many adherents as well. The kindness, humility and deep spirituality that I have witnessed of many acquaintances is testament to that. Islam fosters connectivity and is a salvation from blind hedonistic individualism. I see all of this.

My chief problem is that everything about Islam and Mohammed is beyond reproach/scrutiny. I have researched the life of Mohammed for the past 20 years and clearly there are numerous examples of self-serving (as well as selfless) and cruelty(as well as kindness). The examples listed above are very problematic but labelling anyone who raises them as necessarily an enemy of Muslims is myopic.

As for Zeena I am all to familiar with the offensive and derogatry vitriol spewed by Muslims towards Hindus, Christians, Jews etc... Yet they seem entitled to a double standard. Let me assure you its never going to happen. I am not suprised that fanatic Hindus are using tactics masterminded at squashing dissent by Muslims. Lowest common denominator seems to win.

It just baffles me that the kind of cold blooded killings listed above do not unnerve some interactors and instead they blissfully offer ludricous justifications.

Hey, Hindu Jihadi Indians

Keep on insulting our Prophet(PBUH)...keep on showing hatred for Muslims......
will that make any difference? absolutely NOT.

Re: # 38

You are incapable of any dialogue. If someone disagrees with you they must be a hindu or indian.

One of these days you might end up on someone`s fatwa list and there will be no one to defend you. Ever thonk of that.

People who go around making lists of who deserve to die are the REAL problem. Of course to you it might seem like a harmless hobby.

Re: # 38

I think you should relax and try not to indulge into name calling. One never knows what other person`s ``intention`` might be while indulging in this level of discourse at a discussion forum. Some people are just too scared, some are too inquisitive but do not know how to ask a question, and some are simply bored. Our job is to:


``Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.`` ..... The Bee 16.125


As far as blasphemy and its treatment is concerned, the law governing the issue, in Islam, is very explicit. In order to argue with them, try to learn about the said law. The political reasons, behind any `agenda`` are well known as well. Help them understand why our Prophet (pbuh) gave us this law, and why it is necessary in society.

Re: # 39

Abbayy Pultipharakhyarpujaramalthisharapitpitubhajan,

You are getting your knickers in a knott for taslima`s well being, however would gladly burn your own mother with ur dead father? Do you sabji`s have any idea how ironic not to mention dowright hypocratic it sounds when you morons try to act cute? YOU THINK COW IS GOD! End of discussion, you can only be made fun of there CAN NOT BE any sort of intelligent discourse with you. Why is it so hard for you dimwits to get.

Now for all of you who are not soaked in cow-piss. Get this in your heads no tom, dick & Tasleem raza is allowed to issue ``Fatwa`s`` on who should live and who should die. In Islamic jurisprudence ONLY STATE is allowed to make laws and the penalties for those laws. For all intent and purpose in this day age Islamic Shriah is only going to come to frution thru democracy. What i mean by that is that if the majority of an y country decide that they want to govern themselves with a ceratin code of conduct than how is it any different from the concept of western democracy? If a majority in country decides that whoever picks there nose in public should be executed or insults shakespere or questions the theory relativity should be hanged, that is there perogative. As a rule no single person no matter how pious he is, is allowed to form laws and execute punishments in a Islamic framework, we have a lineage of 1500 years and there is no example of this anarchy. I love it when these einsteins quote Asma Bite Marwan`s incident like there kahloo jee was present there and videotaped the whole event, however if the same book or resource lists an incident that Prophet (PBUH) broke the moon in 2 pieces than it all must be a lie. Listen you are a Hindu and that makes you bitter for obvious and quite justifiable reasons, looks depravation of beef, smelling like cow-piss all day long, i get it, and i have sympathy for ya, but stop pretending to be scholarly it just doesnt suit the bobbling head.

mr. eastmwest

were you with Muhammad some 1500 years ago....No.....Are you an historian (objective one that is)...no......so stick to contemporary issues because most logical step is to under stand the life of Mushammad is to read about it in its entirety, read Quran read other islamic literature, the read larger history of mankind and then relate it to contemporary times and even contextualise it......

If you are an Indian and if your army is funded by your taxes and even if one kashmirir is killed innocent or even one innocent has been killed by police encounters, are you ready to claim your government a terrorist state...definitely not.....

Now definiitely you have certain biasness and you want to see a certain colour and thus failed to objectively analyse history.

Islam is getting a bad marketting and thus you think your argument against Muhammad has a lot of weight....pretty hilarious is such mindset.


So better stick to Taslima and the mad clergy and stop passing sweeping judgements and putting words in other people`s mouths.

ANd secondly muslims need to stop being offended by insults on islam and prophet but be tolerant. We are already a powerful entity becuase of our sheer numbers. Yes a polite explaination should always be there if any one has patience against some hate attack. Let the others show their ignorance and insecurities.

People who really want to seek truth would always have a opinion quite different from hate mongerers or even fundamentalists.

to all the Hindus,
people nothing you will say will ever convince a muslim that you are intelligent. Secondly, the only thing you are showing to the Muslims is how worried you are about your own religion. Remember if every Muslim just piss once the whole Hindu community will drown. Maybe then you will really be purified instead of taking a dip in ganga with thousands of cow turds floating around. Calm down people and start acting the same way as you act in real life. ``Thousand Apoligies`` is the only way you can survive. However if you insist on keeping up with the abuse then so be it. Maybe then you will go home tell all the women (and in some cases the pujaris ;)) in your life how big of a man you really are. Just dont show them the article of you being being small that got published in BBC (and the whole world). LOL.

#26 if you r goingback in history why dont you inform instead of hiding the atroceties particularly in
Manu simriti

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the oldest holy scriptures of Hindu which the modern hindu like to interprest according to there own liking..it has all the atroceous remarks about women and more

``My chief problem is that everything about Islam and Mohammed is beyond reproach/scrutiny. I have researched the life of Mohammed for the past 20 years and clearly there are numerous examples of self-serving (as well as selfless) and cruelty(as well as kindness). The examples listed above are very problematic but labelling anyone who raises them as necessarily an enemy of Muslims is myopic. ``

It is similar with Judaism (a vengeful and jealous god) and to a much lesser extent in Christianity (still an overbearing God with a bit of a complex - wanting to be worshipped alone to the exclusion of all others) and though the son of God does not advocate violence, the revelations are full of ghastly happenings for the Kaffirs.

So really, Islam is no different from any other semite religion. Your singling out Islam has more to do with the unique situation that Muslim societies are in today (fundamentally insecure and unenlightened) rather than any particlar peculiarity about Islam in it self. Your case may have more validity if it differentiated between Semite and Eastern religions in the collective sense.

No religion preaches killings. At least, I am not aware of one. It`s extremely wrong to promote one`s own agenda under the umbrella of a religion.

Having been a long time member and supporter of the Asia Society, I have attended quite a few programs where some of the controversial figures were invited for an open discussion. You can only expect that kind of mindset in the western society. Easter societies are way too narrow-minded for any kind of discourses or discussions. They only know how to violate human beings and how to take over via bloodless or bloody coups.

So, during one of the interesting programs, Ms. Taslima Nasreen was also invited to share her perspectives. Obviously, as a grown up woman, she had her share of perspectives based on her background, personal life experiences and outlook towards life. I must say that her childhood experiences were very disturbing and sad. On top of it, her book also added fuel to the fire. She was happily promoting her Banglaa language and reciting some excerpts from her book in Banglaa. Obviously, few jayalas in the audience were ready to give their lives to hear their fellow country woman speak Banglaa at the Asia Society.

I did not care much for anything Ms. Tasreen had to say. Some of her pointers could have been considered very offensive. But then something occured to me as the program was done, she never asked anyone to lean towards her beliefs or her experiences. She was vocal about her own background, the hypocrisises, and various bad experiences. In short, a life full of negativities had impacted her view on life. But she was definitely entitled to her view.

With all that said, I do not believe that anyone should have the right to issue fatwas on anyone`s life. By doing that, we will never allow people to come forth and express their own life`s experiences or understanding. Not every Muslim or Christian or Jew or Hindu has a hunky dory impression of their respective religion. Why can`t we accept that?

In case of Islam, some Muslims have become notorious for spreading intolerance in whatever community and environment they land in. This thought process has created more uproar than respect for Islam. Don`t get me wrong, Christians are very territorial about their religion and holy figures. If there is a misportrayal or bad portrayal, they will also raise hue and cry. But they will not go around issuing fatwas or killing human beings.

That`s where we have to draw the fine line.

I am not sure if the so called Islamic societies are prepared to live in the modern day and age. They are certainly not civil societies.

Re: # 46
Mohtarma the supposed Islamic societies are not civil societies not BECAUSE of Islam but rather lack of understanding of what the REAL spirit of Islam is. When you discourage democracy and rule because you have more guns then you give message to masses that this a jungle where the might rules, Jamia Hafsa and their disillusioned is an apt example of that phenomenon.We have rulers in all these Islamic societies that thugs, looters and could care less about Islam or Muslims or anyone for that matter.

What i find interesting about you supposed enlightened is that you don`t question the stupidity of declaration of mere discussion on the validity or scale of holocaust as a crime but you have the audacity to question the intellect of people who protest if the basis of their entire religion is attacked. I have said it many a times that we need to be consistent with our standards. If you respect the opinions of the majority in USA when they pass a draconian law sucha as patriot act, then when and IF the majority of pakistan passes law in which the disrespect of ANY Prophet is a crime then you need to be a law abiding citizen and not break that law, and if you must then whatever the punsihment is should not be considered outrageous. If you think that any punsihment or law is unfair then in civilized socities there are discourses available to repeal laws, we follow those procedures here in west it shouldnt be any different in ``Islamic Countries``.

#45 by stuka on April 16, 2007 11:45am PT


So really, Islam is no different from any other semite religion.


Islam gets defined by the way it`s followers practise it, not by what the koran says...nobody gives a rat`s rear about whether the koran says muslims should live in peace when we see them either doing the exact opposite.