A Nation Reborn
Shaheryar Akbar March 20, 2007
#71 Posted by chase on May 7, 2007 2:54:23 am
Down with politicians, generals and justice for all. Yes, yes that`s all very noble and indeed a just cause.
As much as I am fed up of General Musharraf he is still the lesser of three evils; the MMA, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto. Who then is it that will take the reins of the nation?
As much as I am fed up of General Musharraf he is still the lesser of three evils; the MMA, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto. Who then is it that will take the reins of the nation?
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#70 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 26, 2007 8:37:14 am
The PPP ex-PMs are salivating at the thought of ``democracy``
Pakistan`s hard currency reserves are at an all time high. The Paki Rupee has been stable for seven years. The economy is growing at fantastic rates. There is a construction boom in Karachi. Work is starting on Pakistan`s fourth port at Somniani. (T)
All this is happening on the Mohajir dictator`s watch and his Mohajir PM`s administration. The exiled ``democratically-elected`` PPP ex-PMs are salivating at the prospect of returning and feeding at the trough with both mouths.
Pakistan`s hard currency reserves are at an all time high. The Paki Rupee has been stable for seven years. The economy is growing at fantastic rates. There is a construction boom in Karachi. Work is starting on Pakistan`s fourth port at Somniani. (T)
All this is happening on the Mohajir dictator`s watch and his Mohajir PM`s administration. The exiled ``democratically-elected`` PPP ex-PMs are salivating at the prospect of returning and feeding at the trough with both mouths.
#69 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 25, 2007 6:56:50 am
{``#59 by subhashjoshi on March 23, 2007 7:24pm PT
Re: # 57 Salim Chauhan
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious. ``}
Subhash Bhai,
I try to fight for this cause and others all over the place - apparently not very effectively. :)
I am so concerned about these poor people`s plight, that many, especially on Chowk, call me a ``Bihari,`` in their derogatory manner to trivialize and dismiss this important issue. But then I have been called an Ahmedi, a ``Mirzaee,`` a Dalit, a Hazaara, an American Injun, a Bahai, an Ismaili, an Afro-American, and even a Jew. :) Of course, I am not any of these, but if it makes people feel better or superior, I will concur. :)
Re: # 57 Salim Chauhan
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious. ``}
Subhash Bhai,
I try to fight for this cause and others all over the place - apparently not very effectively. :)
I am so concerned about these poor people`s plight, that many, especially on Chowk, call me a ``Bihari,`` in their derogatory manner to trivialize and dismiss this important issue. But then I have been called an Ahmedi, a ``Mirzaee,`` a Dalit, a Hazaara, an American Injun, a Bahai, an Ismaili, an Afro-American, and even a Jew. :) Of course, I am not any of these, but if it makes people feel better or superior, I will concur. :)
#68 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 25, 2007 6:43:48 am
#167 Mantolives from Aparna`s Pakistan forum {``On the Punjabi-Mohajir issue... I am forced to agree with Salim Chauhan... ``}
Manto Bhai,
Being the most despised person on Chowk, it is not important whether I am right or wrong. What`s important is that the injustices against the ``stranded`` yet loyal and brave Pakistanis in BD be corrected. Also, the pernicious provincialism, hegemony, and discrimination must be recognized and eradicated. Of course, you and I agree on the secular, liberal, peaceful, democratic, and just social and political environment needed for Pakistan.
Thank you, my friend, for recognizing the problem. The hopes and dreams of sincere Pakistanis are with you. Too bad, the overwhelming majority of Punjabi Pakistanis, especially on Chowk (e.g. Tahmed32, Ali_1, Atif2, Sobia, Ally, Khamkhwa, Zeemax, and many others) don`t share your objectivity.
Manto Bhai,
Being the most despised person on Chowk, it is not important whether I am right or wrong. What`s important is that the injustices against the ``stranded`` yet loyal and brave Pakistanis in BD be corrected. Also, the pernicious provincialism, hegemony, and discrimination must be recognized and eradicated. Of course, you and I agree on the secular, liberal, peaceful, democratic, and just social and political environment needed for Pakistan.
Thank you, my friend, for recognizing the problem. The hopes and dreams of sincere Pakistanis are with you. Too bad, the overwhelming majority of Punjabi Pakistanis, especially on Chowk (e.g. Tahmed32, Ali_1, Atif2, Sobia, Ally, Khamkhwa, Zeemax, and many others) don`t share your objectivity.
#67 Posted by nasah on March 24, 2007 10:45:38 pm
``I`m not a legal man``, ``I`m just a simple soldier``. (Musharraf`s on Geo TV)
In defense of his horrendous Constitutional Illegalities it is good to see that Musharraf finally breaks down and confesses on GEO TV (after ransacking it 3 days earlier) -- that he is indeed an illegal man -- that is -- an illegal president -- and that he is a simple soldier -- undeserving to be the COAS of Pakistan by any criteria. Bravo!
In defense of his horrendous Constitutional Illegalities it is good to see that Musharraf finally breaks down and confesses on GEO TV (after ransacking it 3 days earlier) -- that he is indeed an illegal man -- that is -- an illegal president -- and that he is a simple soldier -- undeserving to be the COAS of Pakistan by any criteria. Bravo!
#66 Posted by krishna_abcd on March 24, 2007 7:21:06 pm
No Islamic country can and ever will have a truly democratic government. Democracy is contrary to the nature of Islam.
#65 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 12:20:45 pm
Re: # 62 Nasah
So the ``revolution`` led by lawyers has fizzled out?
So the ``revolution`` led by lawyers has fizzled out?
#64 Posted by sveta-huna on March 24, 2007 11:21:28 am
Re: # 61 {He is Bhagwan aka Allah. Allah will Inshallah stick His neck out for the Rule of Law in Pakistan }
His name is not Bhagwan but Bhagwan Das, which means ``Servant of Bhagwan``, much like the muslim name Abdullah (``Servant of Allah``). It is a very nice Sanskrit name.
Having said the foregoing, Bhagwan Das is as Pakistani as anyone else who lives in Pakistan-- aka Aryadesh in Sanskrit ;)-- so I hope that he will act in the best interest of his home-land and the home-land of his anscetors.
Anarchy in Pakistan will serve noone except those who are motivated by bigtory and those who harbor hatred in their hearts.
Sveta-Huna
His name is not Bhagwan but Bhagwan Das, which means ``Servant of Bhagwan``, much like the muslim name Abdullah (``Servant of Allah``). It is a very nice Sanskrit name.
Having said the foregoing, Bhagwan Das is as Pakistani as anyone else who lives in Pakistan-- aka Aryadesh in Sanskrit ;)-- so I hope that he will act in the best interest of his home-land and the home-land of his anscetors.
Anarchy in Pakistan will serve noone except those who are motivated by bigtory and those who harbor hatred in their hearts.
Sveta-Huna
#63 Posted by nasah on March 24, 2007 9:54:26 am
``Talking to the media after taking oath as ACJP, Justice Bhagwan Das told that the Supreme Judicial Council would be taking a decision on the issue of holding the hearing of the reference in open or in camera. He said that the judiciary would not disappoint the people and the nation would soon hear the good news.``
THE good news? -- Musharraf WILL be man handled -- when?
THE good news? -- Musharraf WILL be man handled -- when?
#62 Posted by nasah on March 23, 2007 11:52:55 pm
so folks -- this looks like the kurwat ooNt baithay gaa -- the consensus is that CJ Iftikhar Chaudry will be reinstated but he will be debarred from ruling on any Musharraf related court cases like, uniform, election by present NA, tenure, double-dipping etc etc.
Now one will have to admit that this is one creative justicizing solution to keep Supreme Court off the back of a compulsive institutional hijacker -- courtesy once again -- the peerless pirzada
Question is -- is it possible to debarr a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from catching the one and the only miscreant -- in this one man miscreant show?
Now one will have to admit that this is one creative justicizing solution to keep Supreme Court off the back of a compulsive institutional hijacker -- courtesy once again -- the peerless pirzada
Question is -- is it possible to debarr a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from catching the one and the only miscreant -- in this one man miscreant show?
#61 Posted by tahmed32 on March 23, 2007 9:31:00 pm
#60 He is Bhagwan aka Allah. Allah will Inshallah stick His neck out for the Rule of Law in Pakistan. :-)
#60 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 23, 2007 7:44:48 pm
Re: # 54 tahmed
You think he is going to stick his neck out? He must realize how much is his chance of becoming a proper CJ (not acting one), even with his ``special`` qualifications, he surely must realize his place under the sun.
You think he is going to stick his neck out? He must realize how much is his chance of becoming a proper CJ (not acting one), even with his ``special`` qualifications, he surely must realize his place under the sun.
#59 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 23, 2007 7:24:39 pm
Re: # 57 Salim Chauhan
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious.
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious.
#58 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 23, 2007 10:16:15 am
Tahmed,
Yes, your bigotry and racism against Mohajirs is on record - right here on Chowk. As for lying, you stupid evil old man, you keep on accusing my family of looting departing Hindus. Produce one shred of evidence of that, you mean racist. :@
My family`s comfort and well-being is the result of my Turkish great grandfather’s hard work and generosity. He never, not once, came to Pakistan, you lying fool.
Remember what Islam teaches us about lying. If you don`t repent, you will find yourself sharing the oven next to Urstruly in HELL. :)
Yes, your bigotry and racism against Mohajirs is on record - right here on Chowk. As for lying, you stupid evil old man, you keep on accusing my family of looting departing Hindus. Produce one shred of evidence of that, you mean racist. :@
My family`s comfort and well-being is the result of my Turkish great grandfather’s hard work and generosity. He never, not once, came to Pakistan, you lying fool.
Remember what Islam teaches us about lying. If you don`t repent, you will find yourself sharing the oven next to Urstruly in HELL. :)
#57 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 23, 2007 10:05:15 am
Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai - Message to Mohajirs
Dear Urdu-speaking Mohajirs,
I have no political ambitions in Pakistan and certainly not in Lahore. You have noticed the constant altercation between various Pakistani Punjaibis and me. My main interest in retaliating forcefully against these bigots, racists, and supremacists is to expose them in your eyes.
In real life, most of you have probably suffered from discrimination at the hands of these selfish people in matters of education, employment, and commerce. What you have probably not contemplated is the level of their hatred, prejudice, and profanity. Well, here on Chowk, in the safety of anonymity, these people have the opportunity to express their true feelings without consequence. You have read cruel and lewd racist, ethnic, and linguistic insults from Ali1 and Atif2. You have witnessed the murderous intentions and hateful expressions of Punjaibi supremacy from Sobia and Khamkhwa. Even Manto, Ally, and Aashee have used thinly-disguised methods of insulting those whose native language is Urdu and whose ancestors came from Hindustan.
But, the worst offender and most hateful representative of Punjaibi behavior is Tahmed32. This hypocrite has openly and vehemently opposed the repatriation of Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. He, among other Pakistani Punjaibis, uses the term ``Bihari`` as a racist and condescending means to lump all Urdu-speakers together and justify discrimination and injustice against us.
The point of my message is that we should open our eyes, be alert, keep our powder dry, and not let these hatemongers reenact their murderous acts against our poor, defenseless people. Don`t forget that it was the mainly Pakistani Punjaibi-dominated army that massacred many Pakistanis in East Pakistan. It was this same Pakistani-Punjaibi dominated army that shamelessly surrendered in droves and the cowards were escorted to safety in India by their fellow Punjabis, mostly brave and compassionate Sikhs, of the Indian army.
The Pakistani Punjaibis drove the majority Bengalis out of Pakistan. They are looting the resources and killing the people of Baluchistan. They have killed in Karachi and continue to kill Pakistanis in NWFP. They have alienated the Kashmiris, especially the Gilgitis and Baltistanis. Even the Saraikis, who live in southern Punjaib, want to throw off their yoke.
Please understand the people you are up against. Let us not be fooled by them to make common cause with them against our fellow Pakistanis who suffer from their oppression. Please do not let them channel our frustration and anger against India, where many of our dear relatives live. India has never done anything to harm us intentionally - the devastating bombing of Karachi in `71 was not directly directed against us.
I agree that not all Pakistani Punjabis are evil. Yes, there are quite a few who see the stupidity and folly in their fellow Punjaibis` insatiable thirst for power and loot. Unfortunately, the most hateful and prejudiced Punjaibis seem to be in the majority and are certainly much more vocal here on Chowk.
Let us be united. Let us help each other. Let us develop a secular, democratic, and fair environment in the areas where we dominate and let`s get along with everyone - until our own freedoms, lives, and properties are threatened by these evil persecutors.
As the Urdu saying goes - ``Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai``
Dear Urdu-speaking Mohajirs,
I have no political ambitions in Pakistan and certainly not in Lahore. You have noticed the constant altercation between various Pakistani Punjaibis and me. My main interest in retaliating forcefully against these bigots, racists, and supremacists is to expose them in your eyes.
In real life, most of you have probably suffered from discrimination at the hands of these selfish people in matters of education, employment, and commerce. What you have probably not contemplated is the level of their hatred, prejudice, and profanity. Well, here on Chowk, in the safety of anonymity, these people have the opportunity to express their true feelings without consequence. You have read cruel and lewd racist, ethnic, and linguistic insults from Ali1 and Atif2. You have witnessed the murderous intentions and hateful expressions of Punjaibi supremacy from Sobia and Khamkhwa. Even Manto, Ally, and Aashee have used thinly-disguised methods of insulting those whose native language is Urdu and whose ancestors came from Hindustan.
But, the worst offender and most hateful representative of Punjaibi behavior is Tahmed32. This hypocrite has openly and vehemently opposed the repatriation of Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. He, among other Pakistani Punjaibis, uses the term ``Bihari`` as a racist and condescending means to lump all Urdu-speakers together and justify discrimination and injustice against us.
The point of my message is that we should open our eyes, be alert, keep our powder dry, and not let these hatemongers reenact their murderous acts against our poor, defenseless people. Don`t forget that it was the mainly Pakistani Punjaibi-dominated army that massacred many Pakistanis in East Pakistan. It was this same Pakistani-Punjaibi dominated army that shamelessly surrendered in droves and the cowards were escorted to safety in India by their fellow Punjabis, mostly brave and compassionate Sikhs, of the Indian army.
The Pakistani Punjaibis drove the majority Bengalis out of Pakistan. They are looting the resources and killing the people of Baluchistan. They have killed in Karachi and continue to kill Pakistanis in NWFP. They have alienated the Kashmiris, especially the Gilgitis and Baltistanis. Even the Saraikis, who live in southern Punjaib, want to throw off their yoke.
Please understand the people you are up against. Let us not be fooled by them to make common cause with them against our fellow Pakistanis who suffer from their oppression. Please do not let them channel our frustration and anger against India, where many of our dear relatives live. India has never done anything to harm us intentionally - the devastating bombing of Karachi in `71 was not directly directed against us.
I agree that not all Pakistani Punjabis are evil. Yes, there are quite a few who see the stupidity and folly in their fellow Punjaibis` insatiable thirst for power and loot. Unfortunately, the most hateful and prejudiced Punjaibis seem to be in the majority and are certainly much more vocal here on Chowk.
Let us be united. Let us help each other. Let us develop a secular, democratic, and fair environment in the areas where we dominate and let`s get along with everyone - until our own freedoms, lives, and properties are threatened by these evil persecutors.
As the Urdu saying goes - ``Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai``
#56 Posted by tahmed32 on March 23, 2007 9:54:45 am
Salute to Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhury He will be remembered in history as a Great Pakistani....
From Dawn interview of the Chief Justice:
Mentioning specifically certain landmark cases, which instantly raised his stature as the adjudicating authority — enjoyed by nobody in the recent past — he talked about hearing petitions against rising oil and pharmaceutical prices involving the interests of large multinationals, preventing public parks being converted into exclusive (mini)golf clubs or commercial complexes, strictly enforcing building regulations and decreeing the demolition of elitist encroachments on public lands, prohibiting the cutting of forests in the construction of an elitist township known as New Murree in the foothills above Islamabad, instituting inquiries into disappearances, providing relief to rape victims, banning forced marriages and the exchange of girls and women to settle disputes according to local customs.
Last year, he also dealt a severe blow to the administration by annulling the privatisation of the largest industrial unit in Pakistan, the Pakistan Steel Mills. “The cases which were pending were the Gwadar land scam and certain constitutional issues. I was also going to look into the privatisation of the Habib Bank,” revealed Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.
In the last one year alone, he had taken suo motu notice of more than 6,000 cases of human rights’ abuse across the length and breadth of the country. In the two years since his elevation to that office the chief justice had cleared a massive backlog of cases and taken up, suo motu, several causes close to environmentalists and social reformers.
From Dawn interview of the Chief Justice:
Mentioning specifically certain landmark cases, which instantly raised his stature as the adjudicating authority — enjoyed by nobody in the recent past — he talked about hearing petitions against rising oil and pharmaceutical prices involving the interests of large multinationals, preventing public parks being converted into exclusive (mini)golf clubs or commercial complexes, strictly enforcing building regulations and decreeing the demolition of elitist encroachments on public lands, prohibiting the cutting of forests in the construction of an elitist township known as New Murree in the foothills above Islamabad, instituting inquiries into disappearances, providing relief to rape victims, banning forced marriages and the exchange of girls and women to settle disputes according to local customs.
Last year, he also dealt a severe blow to the administration by annulling the privatisation of the largest industrial unit in Pakistan, the Pakistan Steel Mills. “The cases which were pending were the Gwadar land scam and certain constitutional issues. I was also going to look into the privatisation of the Habib Bank,” revealed Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.
In the last one year alone, he had taken suo motu notice of more than 6,000 cases of human rights’ abuse across the length and breadth of the country. In the two years since his elevation to that office the chief justice had cleared a massive backlog of cases and taken up, suo motu, several causes close to environmentalists and social reformers.
#55 Posted by Urstruly on March 23, 2007 8:17:45 am
Though the journalist of the following article is a lifafa journalist, who usually tows the propaganda of whichever government is in power, but he is right. This article shows how much the corrupt ruling class is scared of the forces of change that are breathing down their necks.
#54 Posted by tahmed32 on March 22, 2007 7:00:17 pm
#53 ab Musharraf ko Bhagwan hee sahih raah dekhaay ga!! Amen. :-)
#53 Posted by nasah on March 22, 2007 4:52:28 pm
Maulana Samiulloo can go and jump in the nearest madarassa`s septic tank -- my prayer to Bhagwan is that defend YOUR independence.
Bhagwan -- you are MIGHTIER than a tin horn Dictator – don’t be afraid -- reinstate the CJ -- reference the DJ -- that Dictator Joker -- on two counts:
One) for illegal confinement of the Highest Judge of the country for 5 hours against his will -- in the Army House of ill Repute – Two) for hijacking the Highest Court of the country in broad day light at lathi point.
Ban him from ever stepping within the 200 feet of the Presidential Palace.
Bhagwan -- you are MIGHTIER than a tin horn Dictator – don’t be afraid -- reinstate the CJ -- reference the DJ -- that Dictator Joker -- on two counts:
One) for illegal confinement of the Highest Judge of the country for 5 hours against his will -- in the Army House of ill Repute – Two) for hijacking the Highest Court of the country in broad day light at lathi point.
Ban him from ever stepping within the 200 feet of the Presidential Palace.
#52 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 10:18:27 am
Shri Bag One Dash is from Sind (T)
Early life
Rana Bhagwandas was born on December 20, 1942 into a Hindu family in Sindh. He studied law and received a Masters degree in Islamic studies. He joined the bar in 1965 and after two years of practising law, joined the Pakistani Judicial System in 1967. Later, he became a sessions judge, and subsequently, a judge of the Sindh High Court. He is not a fan of cricket, but remains a supporter of the Pakistan cricket team.
Judicial career
Rana Bhagwandas was promoted to the Sindh High Court in 1994. In 1999, his appointment to the superior judiciary was challenged by a constitutional petition (no. 1069/1999) against the Government of Pakistan and Judge Bhagwandas. The petition demanded that the judicial bench consisting of Judge Bhagwandas should be declared unconstitutional because of Bhagwandas` religion, claiming that only Muslims can be appointed to the superior judiciary. The petition was rejected, and the petitioner was condemned by other judges of the high court and by a significant number of lawyers.
In 2000, he joined the Supreme Court of Pakistan after taking an oath of allegiance to Musharraf`s administration. Justice Bhagwandas took strong note of a kidnapping case involving a girl in NWFP forced to be a prostitute for four years. A believer in the sanctity of the Constitution of Pakistan and its legal system, Bhagwandas maintains that the law is equal for all religious communities in Pakistan. While staunchly defending Pakistan`s society and legal system against charges of bias and suppression of minorities, Bhagwandas is also a vocal opponent of the infamous practice of honour killings of women in the provincial rural areas.
For the 2006-2007 judicial year, Justice Bhagwandas is a member of the second bench of justices which also is home to Justice Nasir ul-Mulk and Justice Syed Jamshed Ali.
Chief justice
Justice Bhagwandas has served as acting Chief Justice twice - first in 2005 while Chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was on a ten day trip to the People`s Republic of China and then again in December 2006, when the latter was on a Haj pilgrimage. He was the first Hindu and the second non-Muslim (after A. R. Cornelius) to serve in this post. On February 8, 2005 Chief Justice Rana Bhagwandas was honoured with ``Siropa`` (robe of honour) during his maiden visit to Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar, India. He was on a private visit to Amritsar, Ropar and Chandigarh with Justice Khalil-ur Rehman Ramdev, another judge of the Pakistan Supreme Court and his wife. It is not clear if Bhagwandas will actually succeed Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry though; Bhagwandas is slated to retire in December 2007, after attaining the age of 65, while Chaudhry`s retirement is slated for 2013.
On December 28, 2006 Bhagwandas became acting judge again while the Chief Justice Chaudhury was on hajj.
Recent Controversy
On March 9, 2007, Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf declared Chief Justice Chaudhary ``non-functional`` and forwarded a reference against him to the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) of Pakistan. While Justice Bhagwandas should have taken his place as Acting Chief Justice, his whereabouts remain untraceable at the moment. On March 15, 2007 a petition was filed in the Supreme Court urging the Pakistan Government to declare his whereabouts. There have been unconfirmed reports that he is being held incommunicado by the Government or is in the ``protective`` custody of Pakistan`s intelligence agencies. His brother, Sri Chand, in Pakistan says that Bhagwandas went on a visit to India and since then the family has not heard from him. It has since been learnt (March 20) that he is meditating in the Indian city of Lucknow, and is due to return to Pakistan on March 23. He is aware of events transpiring in Pakistan.
Quotes
``The law is equal for everyone. It provides for equal treatment and equal protection.``
Courtesy Wikipedia
Early life
Rana Bhagwandas was born on December 20, 1942 into a Hindu family in Sindh. He studied law and received a Masters degree in Islamic studies. He joined the bar in 1965 and after two years of practising law, joined the Pakistani Judicial System in 1967. Later, he became a sessions judge, and subsequently, a judge of the Sindh High Court. He is not a fan of cricket, but remains a supporter of the Pakistan cricket team.
Judicial career
Rana Bhagwandas was promoted to the Sindh High Court in 1994. In 1999, his appointment to the superior judiciary was challenged by a constitutional petition (no. 1069/1999) against the Government of Pakistan and Judge Bhagwandas. The petition demanded that the judicial bench consisting of Judge Bhagwandas should be declared unconstitutional because of Bhagwandas` religion, claiming that only Muslims can be appointed to the superior judiciary. The petition was rejected, and the petitioner was condemned by other judges of the high court and by a significant number of lawyers.
In 2000, he joined the Supreme Court of Pakistan after taking an oath of allegiance to Musharraf`s administration. Justice Bhagwandas took strong note of a kidnapping case involving a girl in NWFP forced to be a prostitute for four years. A believer in the sanctity of the Constitution of Pakistan and its legal system, Bhagwandas maintains that the law is equal for all religious communities in Pakistan. While staunchly defending Pakistan`s society and legal system against charges of bias and suppression of minorities, Bhagwandas is also a vocal opponent of the infamous practice of honour killings of women in the provincial rural areas.
For the 2006-2007 judicial year, Justice Bhagwandas is a member of the second bench of justices which also is home to Justice Nasir ul-Mulk and Justice Syed Jamshed Ali.
Chief justice
Justice Bhagwandas has served as acting Chief Justice twice - first in 2005 while Chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was on a ten day trip to the People`s Republic of China and then again in December 2006, when the latter was on a Haj pilgrimage. He was the first Hindu and the second non-Muslim (after A. R. Cornelius) to serve in this post. On February 8, 2005 Chief Justice Rana Bhagwandas was honoured with ``Siropa`` (robe of honour) during his maiden visit to Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar, India. He was on a private visit to Amritsar, Ropar and Chandigarh with Justice Khalil-ur Rehman Ramdev, another judge of the Pakistan Supreme Court and his wife. It is not clear if Bhagwandas will actually succeed Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry though; Bhagwandas is slated to retire in December 2007, after attaining the age of 65, while Chaudhry`s retirement is slated for 2013.
On December 28, 2006 Bhagwandas became acting judge again while the Chief Justice Chaudhury was on hajj.
Recent Controversy
On March 9, 2007, Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf declared Chief Justice Chaudhary ``non-functional`` and forwarded a reference against him to the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) of Pakistan. While Justice Bhagwandas should have taken his place as Acting Chief Justice, his whereabouts remain untraceable at the moment. On March 15, 2007 a petition was filed in the Supreme Court urging the Pakistan Government to declare his whereabouts. There have been unconfirmed reports that he is being held incommunicado by the Government or is in the ``protective`` custody of Pakistan`s intelligence agencies. His brother, Sri Chand, in Pakistan says that Bhagwandas went on a visit to India and since then the family has not heard from him. It has since been learnt (March 20) that he is meditating in the Indian city of Lucknow, and is due to return to Pakistan on March 23. He is aware of events transpiring in Pakistan.
Quotes
``The law is equal for everyone. It provides for equal treatment and equal protection.``
Courtesy Wikipedia
#51 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:53:44 am
#46 {``PPPP activists chant anti-Musharraf slogans during a demonstration in Islamabad. AFP``}
Too many pee pees in #46. I thought that Paki Punju Paindoo needed only 3 Pees. Is the additional one for Perverted? Persecutors? Putrid? Pusillanimous?
Too many pee pees in #46. I thought that Paki Punju Paindoo needed only 3 Pees. Is the additional one for Perverted? Persecutors? Putrid? Pusillanimous?
#50 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:41:41 am
Ali Jihadi complained on Unplugged about how Ghauris look.
Ali Jihadi,
Most Ghauris look like the picture you posted because of this guy:
Ali Jihadi,
Most Ghauris look like the picture you posted because of this guy:
#49 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:31:33 am
#364 Imperio from the ``Pakistan - rude, screwed, and tattooed`` thread {``Punjab is eating Pakistan and propagating to be the saviour of Pakistan. I m afraid you will not be succeeded this time.
I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.``}
Imperio Sahib,
Thank you for your frank and resolute remarks. I agree with you - even about not following MQM, Altaf Payee, Mushy, or anyone else blindly. We need to think for ourselves, help our people out of poverty and discrimination. Mohajirs have plenty of resources - especially overseas. Many Mohajirs are working actively and donating generously for the ``unofficial`` repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD - commonly referred to as ``Biharis`` by the Punjaibis as a form of collective insult. We will succeed Inshallah. To hell with Paki Punjab. All other people in Pakistan (Pathans, Baluchis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Gilgit Baltistanis, Mohajirs, and even Saraikis) want an end to Paki Punju Paindoo domination.
I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.``}
Imperio Sahib,
Thank you for your frank and resolute remarks. I agree with you - even about not following MQM, Altaf Payee, Mushy, or anyone else blindly. We need to think for ourselves, help our people out of poverty and discrimination. Mohajirs have plenty of resources - especially overseas. Many Mohajirs are working actively and donating generously for the ``unofficial`` repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD - commonly referred to as ``Biharis`` by the Punjaibis as a form of collective insult. We will succeed Inshallah. To hell with Paki Punjab. All other people in Pakistan (Pathans, Baluchis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Gilgit Baltistanis, Mohajirs, and even Saraikis) want an end to Paki Punju Paindoo domination.
#48 Posted by TOLKININ on March 22, 2007 9:00:33 am
#43 by kamath on March 22, 2007 7:49am PT
Re: # 36
Mr: tolkinin : ``..Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.....``
Justice Das went to an Ashram to meditate and take divine guidance from a Hindu god. Let us see if the directions from an infidel god makes any difference in the execution of his duties.! Let us wait and see!
Kamath
.. another infidel...
Bagwan .hindu, kafir are just names not every body calls them...its the hindutva politics not only recemtly but 60 yers ago which rsulted in dividing India ..Alas
#47 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 8:55:39 am
#36 tolkinin {``A leader of a faction of the Jamaat Uleman Islami, Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, criticised the move to make Das the acting chief justice. A non-Muslim cannot head the supreme court in an Islamic country as a non-Muslim cannot head the government, Haq said.
...Das is the only one among the supreme court judges who has a masters degree in Islamic law. ``}
Tolkinin,
Shri Bag One Dash ki Jai! :)
In my opinion, he is well-qualified to be CJ or even President. The only thing I have against Shri Bag One Dash is his meaningless education in Islamic Law - the term itself is an oxymoron. :)
As to my response to Maulana Sammy Owl Hack, I can only say:
``I will agree with you about a non-Muslim not being able to hold the highest offices ONLY if you are prepared to declared all Paki Punju Paindoos as non-Muslims - not just the Ahmedi ones.``
...Das is the only one among the supreme court judges who has a masters degree in Islamic law. ``}
Tolkinin,
Shri Bag One Dash ki Jai! :)
In my opinion, he is well-qualified to be CJ or even President. The only thing I have against Shri Bag One Dash is his meaningless education in Islamic Law - the term itself is an oxymoron. :)
As to my response to Maulana Sammy Owl Hack, I can only say:
``I will agree with you about a non-Muslim not being able to hold the highest offices ONLY if you are prepared to declared all Paki Punju Paindoos as non-Muslims - not just the Ahmedi ones.``
#46 Posted by tahmed32 on March 22, 2007 8:54:52 am
L) Lawyers disperse after police fired teargas shells during a demonstration against the suspension of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry in Quetta on Wednesday. (R) PPPP activists chant anti-Musharraf slogans during a demonstration in Islamabad. AFP
#45 Posted by Urstruly on March 22, 2007 8:17:46 am
I am not too happy with Pakistani media and martial law government`s propaganda machinery projecting Justice Bhagwan Das as some kind of paragon of virtue and uprightness. Let us not forget that he is one of the judges who ``legitimized` this dictators coup d`etat and desecration of the Constitution. So instead of developing a personality cult for Bhagwan Das or even Justice Iftekhar, we must see how the judicial council acts out instead. The criterion for our judgement is that Justice Iftekhar is right and dictator is wrong. Any other outcome of this so-called judicial inquiry is unacceptable and travesty of justice.
It should be a point of interest to the readers here that, two of the judges in the judicial council panel are also the signatories of the reference against Justice Chowdery which should render them disqualified to sit on the panel. A petitioner cannot be a judge; it is a simple rule.
Also it must be noted that Judicial council has postponed CJ`s trial until first week of March. Martial Law propaganda machinery is spreading this disinformation that it was done at the request of CJ and his lawyer. Well his lawyer, Itezaz Ehsan has categorically denied this propaganda yesterday on TV.
#44 Posted by nasah on March 22, 2007 8:11:43 am
BaRRay Abba ka Hukmnama -- for betay Musharraf kay liye -- don`t wear the uniform over your sherwani, son -- give it back to the army -- you look ridiculous.
``US expects Musharraf to leave army chief job - underlines restraint, transparency in CJ case Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON: The Bush administration, underlining extreme restraint in dealing with the aftermath of expects of the chief justice’s suspension, has said it expects President Gen. Pervez Musharraf will quit as army chief in line with his pledges. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the Pakistani leader had held out some assurances in this regard.
“He has made certain commitments —- and we think it’s important that he follow through on those commitments.”
Addressing a press briefing here on Tuesday, McCormack urged extreme restraint in dealing with the aftermath of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s suspension and maximum transparency in a decision on the presidential reference. (FP)
`presidential reference` my foot.
``US expects Musharraf to leave army chief job - underlines restraint, transparency in CJ case Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON: The Bush administration, underlining extreme restraint in dealing with the aftermath of expects of the chief justice’s suspension, has said it expects President Gen. Pervez Musharraf will quit as army chief in line with his pledges. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the Pakistani leader had held out some assurances in this regard.
“He has made certain commitments —- and we think it’s important that he follow through on those commitments.”
Addressing a press briefing here on Tuesday, McCormack urged extreme restraint in dealing with the aftermath of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s suspension and maximum transparency in a decision on the presidential reference. (FP)
`presidential reference` my foot.
#43 Posted by Kamath on March 22, 2007 7:49:23 am
Re: # 36
Mr: tolkinin : ``..Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.....``
Justice Das went to an Ashram to meditate and take divine guidance from a Hindu god. Let us see if the directions from an infidel god makes any difference in the execution of his duties.! Let us wait and see!
Kamath
.. another infidel...
Mr: tolkinin : ``..Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.....``
Justice Das went to an Ashram to meditate and take divine guidance from a Hindu god. Let us see if the directions from an infidel god makes any difference in the execution of his duties.! Let us wait and see!
Kamath
.. another infidel...
#42 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 7:29:47 am
#38, Samar1982 {``but wait, you will find women killing cricketers and film-stars and ahmadias burning sunni/shiya mosques, children killing their paedophile fathers, etc. etc. ``}
Biasey Sahib,
I see your point, but I don`t necessarily share your pessimism. If only those who are prone to supremacy through greed and violence can be rehabilitated, there is hope for both countries. :)
Biasey Sahib,
I see your point, but I don`t necessarily share your pessimism. If only those who are prone to supremacy through greed and violence can be rehabilitated, there is hope for both countries. :)
#41 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 7:27:29 am
#40 Nazarhayatkhan {`` Let the system (electoral process) throw up anyone - even a tree.
But he can not be all - the State can not live on one person`s whims - The system has to work. ``]
Khan Sahib,
I agree with you. It`s not the tree that worries me. It`s another bloodthirsty provincial racist like BeSharif or Benazir. As long as the electoral process and the ensuing results are peaceful, I am all for democracy. However, the brick throwing lawyers are not behaviing in too promising a manner. :(
But he can not be all - the State can not live on one person`s whims - The system has to work. ``]
Khan Sahib,
I agree with you. It`s not the tree that worries me. It`s another bloodthirsty provincial racist like BeSharif or Benazir. As long as the electoral process and the ensuing results are peaceful, I am all for democracy. However, the brick throwing lawyers are not behaviing in too promising a manner. :(
#40 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on March 22, 2007 6:04:55 am
Salim # 7
(The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. )
No need to worry. Let the system (electoral process) throw up anyone - even a tree.
I liked Mush - he drank - cracked jokes - even enjoyed dirty jokes. He was human.
But he can not be all - the State can not live on one person`s whims - The system has to work.
NHk
(The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. )
No need to worry. Let the system (electoral process) throw up anyone - even a tree.
I liked Mush - he drank - cracked jokes - even enjoyed dirty jokes. He was human.
But he can not be all - the State can not live on one person`s whims - The system has to work.
NHk
#39 Posted by bjkumar on March 22, 2007 4:20:13 am
#37 Tauheed sahib
[Bhagwan Paindabad]
Hey Bhagwan, yeh kya ho gaya!!
No need to worry, Tauheed sahib. Happy days are here again!
Bhagwan sab bhala karengey!
Of course, no pain – no gain!
(After all, the “pain” is the first part of that “pain-da-bad”!) :)
#38 Posted by samar1982 on March 22, 2007 12:38:51 am
Re: # 31, Salim Chouhan saheb,
Read between the lines, sir. What I meant was everyone in Pak killing the other. May be Mohajirs are not killing Panjus or shiyas not killing sunnis today, but wait, you will find women killing cricketers and film-stars and ahmadias burning sunni/shiya mosques, children killing their paedophile fathers, etc. etc.
And I am not much hopeful for India even. Here I am worried, someday, yes as you say, dalits and women would be killing rajputs and brahmins.
Samar
Read between the lines, sir. What I meant was everyone in Pak killing the other. May be Mohajirs are not killing Panjus or shiyas not killing sunnis today, but wait, you will find women killing cricketers and film-stars and ahmadias burning sunni/shiya mosques, children killing their paedophile fathers, etc. etc.
And I am not much hopeful for India even. Here I am worried, someday, yes as you say, dalits and women would be killing rajputs and brahmins.
Samar
#37 Posted by tahmed32 on March 21, 2007 9:28:10 pm
#36 I always knew that Allah/Bhagwan/God was watching over Pakistan. But I never thought Bhagwan would Personally fly into Pakistan on a jet airline to bring back law and order.
To borrow from Zeena:
Pakistan Zindabad!! Bhagwan Paindabad!!
To borrow from Zeena:
Pakistan Zindabad!! Bhagwan Paindabad!!
#36 Posted by TOLKININ on March 21, 2007 6:56:58 pm
judge jets into Pakistan debate
Justice Rana Bhagwan Das at Karachi airport on Wednesday. (AP)
Islamabad, March 21 (PTI): The Pakistan government’s decision to resolve the judiciary crisis by making Rana Bhagwan Das the acting chief justice has sparked a heated debate on whether a non-Muslim can head the apex court.
Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.
The judge had earlier held the acting chief justice’s post but this will be the first time he will take over after chief justice Iftikar Chaudhry was suspended. Das will head the five-judge Supreme Judicial Council currently hearing charges against Chaudhry.
As Das went for a long walk amid tight security soon after his arrival, moderates and hardliners crossed swords.
A leader of a faction of the Jamaat Uleman Islami, Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, criticised the move to make Das the acting chief justice. A non-Muslim cannot head the supreme court in an Islamic country as a non-Muslim cannot head the government, Haq said.
The Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a new outfit floated by Hafeez Saeed — the founder leader of the banned Lashkar-e-Toiba — echoed Haq. “It is against the Shariat to appoint Justice Rana Bhagwan Das the acting chief justice,” the organisation said in a statement issued by its leader Hafiz Adb-ur-Rahman Makki.
Makki said he held Das in the “highest esteem”, but asked: “How can a non-Muslim person take the oath of upholding Pakistan’s constitution, when the constitution is expressly bound to espouse the Quran and the Sunnah?”
While Pakistan’s constitution does not explicitly bar a non-Muslim from holding the post of the chief justice, some feel that the top judge also becomes the head of the Shariat court. Das is the only one among the supreme court judges who has a masters degree in Islamic law.
However, noted scholar and moderate Javed Ahmad Ghamdi contradicted both Haq and Makki, saying there were no restrictions or impediments in Islam to make a non-Muslim the head of the supreme court.
Veteran lawyer S.M. Zafar supported Ghamidi’s stand, saying there was no such bar in the constitution and cited the example of Cornelius, a Christian who was acting chief justice.
Justice Rana Bhagwan Das at Karachi airport on Wednesday. (AP)
Islamabad, March 21 (PTI): The Pakistan government’s decision to resolve the judiciary crisis by making Rana Bhagwan Das the acting chief justice has sparked a heated debate on whether a non-Muslim can head the apex court.
Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.
The judge had earlier held the acting chief justice’s post but this will be the first time he will take over after chief justice Iftikar Chaudhry was suspended. Das will head the five-judge Supreme Judicial Council currently hearing charges against Chaudhry.
As Das went for a long walk amid tight security soon after his arrival, moderates and hardliners crossed swords.
A leader of a faction of the Jamaat Uleman Islami, Maulana Sami-ul-Haq, criticised the move to make Das the acting chief justice. A non-Muslim cannot head the supreme court in an Islamic country as a non-Muslim cannot head the government, Haq said.
The Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a new outfit floated by Hafeez Saeed — the founder leader of the banned Lashkar-e-Toiba — echoed Haq. “It is against the Shariat to appoint Justice Rana Bhagwan Das the acting chief justice,” the organisation said in a statement issued by its leader Hafiz Adb-ur-Rahman Makki.
Makki said he held Das in the “highest esteem”, but asked: “How can a non-Muslim person take the oath of upholding Pakistan’s constitution, when the constitution is expressly bound to espouse the Quran and the Sunnah?”
While Pakistan’s constitution does not explicitly bar a non-Muslim from holding the post of the chief justice, some feel that the top judge also becomes the head of the Shariat court. Das is the only one among the supreme court judges who has a masters degree in Islamic law.
However, noted scholar and moderate Javed Ahmad Ghamdi contradicted both Haq and Makki, saying there were no restrictions or impediments in Islam to make a non-Muslim the head of the supreme court.
Veteran lawyer S.M. Zafar supported Ghamidi’s stand, saying there was no such bar in the constitution and cited the example of Cornelius, a Christian who was acting chief justice.
#35 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 21, 2007 3:26:50 pm
#32 Urstruly {``I guess Zeemax has been Wasi-Zafared by Chowk staff already``}
Maulvi Sahib,
See what happens to people who spread malicious rumors about others and who relish death, destruction, and mutilation of the human body? :)
Let this be a lesson for your own noorani persona.
Maulvi Sahib,
See what happens to people who spread malicious rumors about others and who relish death, destruction, and mutilation of the human body? :)
Let this be a lesson for your own noorani persona.
#34 Posted by GT on March 21, 2007 2:46:08 pm
Re: # 33
hamidm:
Why do you make things so difficult? Come on now, is urstruly frick or frack or both?
hamidm:
Why do you make things so difficult? Come on now, is urstruly frick or frack or both?
#33 Posted by hamidm2 on March 21, 2007 2:06:40 pm
Re: # 32
urstruly,
.............i guess chowk-staff has finally decided to defend my daughters` honor .........or maybe uncle tahmed finally got through to him, or maybe he simply choked on his own bile ............
urstruly,
.............i guess chowk-staff has finally decided to defend my daughters` honor .........or maybe uncle tahmed finally got through to him, or maybe he simply choked on his own bile ............
#32 Posted by Urstruly on March 21, 2007 1:50:47 pm
I guess Zeemax has been Wasi-Zafared by Chowk staff already
#31 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 21, 2007 1:38:18 pm
#23, samar1982 {``In Pak the avatars of Allah are there on the streets killing each other, shiya killing sunnis, army killing separatists, militants killing civilians, mohajirs killing punjabis, ...``}
Samar Biasi Sahib,
Are you always this careless in your choice of subjects and objects? You could have also said ``Jews killing Nazis, Tutsis killing Hutus, Chinese killing Japs, Dalits killing upper-caste Hindus, ...``
Samar Biasi Sahib,
Are you always this careless in your choice of subjects and objects? You could have also said ``Jews killing Nazis, Tutsis killing Hutus, Chinese killing Japs, Dalits killing upper-caste Hindus, ...``
#30 Posted by Netizen on March 21, 2007 12:35:11 pm
Re: # 25
``frack: let`s blow ourselves up
frick: tu chal mein aya .......................``
hahaha..................
so appropriate.
``frack: let`s blow ourselves up
frick: tu chal mein aya .......................``
hahaha..................
so appropriate.
#29 Posted by Urstruly on March 21, 2007 12:00:48 pm
Re: # 25
Shut up oye already; or I will Wasi-Zafar you.
Shut up oye already; or I will Wasi-Zafar you.
#28 Posted by samar1982 on March 21, 2007 11:58:43 am
Re: # 25, hamidm2,
Wah, this one was quite suitable for fp. Very appropriate and funny. Please carry on the good work.
Samar
Wah, this one was quite suitable for fp. Very appropriate and funny. Please carry on the good work.
Samar
#27 Posted by eastmwest on March 21, 2007 11:37:35 am
Re: # 25
Hahahaha! Hamidm, this munafiq thinks you are so funny! Looking forward to hell if guys like you are around
Hahahaha! Hamidm, this munafiq thinks you are so funny! Looking forward to hell if guys like you are around
#26 Posted by jang on March 21, 2007 11:33:35 am
anyone seen any effigies of the chief burnt so far? do you guys think i can sell black ribbons in pakistan similar to the support-our troops ribbons in dicating protest?
#25 Posted by hamidm2 on March 21, 2007 11:09:55 am
zeemax and urstruly - the frick and frack show brought to you from somewhere in china and detroit usa .............. here is the routine:
frick: musharraf is a kanjar
frack: and bush is his dalal
frick: musharraf is a ahmedi
frack: bush is worse than ahmedis
frick: nothing is worse than ahmedis
frack: jews?
frick: okay, then bush is worse than jews
frack: hindoos are even worse
frick: okay, then musharraf is worse than hindoos
frack: but bush is even worse
frick: is he worse than a pig ?
frack : worser..... much much worser- even worser than worst
frick: stop freaking out !
frack: i miss masadi
frick: me too - he is a brave man
frack: i hate the white man
frick: i hate him and the jews and the hindoos and bahais and ismailis and shias and ....
frack: what about me
frick: i love you
frack: let`s blow ourselves up
frick: tu chal mein aya .......................
#24 Posted by Ally on March 21, 2007 11:09:05 am
I am glad to hear and see these things... thank God people are finally coming to the streets and showing their unhappiness in a more civil way as opposed to bombing and stuff... Like PMishra said people have an interest in society and want the civil institutions to become stronger, because now we realise the need of these strong institutions... all we have to do is look across the border and see the advantages of democracy and strongish institutions...
I`m happy that we can look across the border and compare our lot and that so many ppl in Pakistan are doing that... Mushy took the p*ss with what he did, and it was all too much... he should step down from one of his positions now... i hope Rana Bhagwandas can do something here... i hope the steam doesnt come out of the sails for this one, and the press keeps this issue alive and burning as well as the lawyers... Ameen!
A
I`m happy that we can look across the border and compare our lot and that so many ppl in Pakistan are doing that... Mushy took the p*ss with what he did, and it was all too much... he should step down from one of his positions now... i hope Rana Bhagwandas can do something here... i hope the steam doesnt come out of the sails for this one, and the press keeps this issue alive and burning as well as the lawyers... Ameen!
A
#23 Posted by samar1982 on March 21, 2007 11:03:52 am
Re: # 19 pmishra2,
Nepal analogy is completely out of place. In Nepal there was only one avatar who could be removed after he lost favour of the people. In Pak the avatars of Allah are there on the streets killing each other, shiya killing sunnis, army killing separatists, militants killing civilians, mohajirs killing punjabis, punjabi killing all others except pathans who are left out for being killed in turn by the army on the behest of Nato. Even women have started wearing AKs now, of course for the wrong purpose. You see, when their brother mullahs were subjecting women to `better things than killing` (and then of course butchering them) no Kalashnikov and burka clad women came out of their libraries. So, people of Pak have no clear-cut objective. Here, you will find one avatar occupying the throne after the other. And that is natural too, land of pure being ruled by the incarnations of Allah. So, rest assured! These recent Paki news items are bubbles coming out of a compressed bear bottle. Take my word.
Samar
Nepal analogy is completely out of place. In Nepal there was only one avatar who could be removed after he lost favour of the people. In Pak the avatars of Allah are there on the streets killing each other, shiya killing sunnis, army killing separatists, militants killing civilians, mohajirs killing punjabis, punjabi killing all others except pathans who are left out for being killed in turn by the army on the behest of Nato. Even women have started wearing AKs now, of course for the wrong purpose. You see, when their brother mullahs were subjecting women to `better things than killing` (and then of course butchering them) no Kalashnikov and burka clad women came out of their libraries. So, people of Pak have no clear-cut objective. Here, you will find one avatar occupying the throne after the other. And that is natural too, land of pure being ruled by the incarnations of Allah. So, rest assured! These recent Paki news items are bubbles coming out of a compressed bear bottle. Take my word.
Samar
#22 Posted by Urstruly on March 21, 2007 10:11:10 am
Re: # 21
Yes, this dheet kanjar supasses all dicatators of the world combined+US in its arrogance, and lies. I cannot think of anything worst than that.
The interesting thing in the picture is the placard at the front that appeals to Justice Bhagwandas to look into the matter of ``missing`` citizens of Pakistan. The poor chap gets a tall order just in the begining. I hope he shows half of the testicular fortitude that Justice Iftekhar has shown.
Yes, this dheet kanjar supasses all dicatators of the world combined+US in its arrogance, and lies. I cannot think of anything worst than that.
The interesting thing in the picture is the placard at the front that appeals to Justice Bhagwandas to look into the matter of ``missing`` citizens of Pakistan. The poor chap gets a tall order just in the begining. I hope he shows half of the testicular fortitude that Justice Iftekhar has shown.
#21 Posted by zeemax on March 21, 2007 9:56:49 am
#20 by Urstruly,
... and the stupidest thing that this uniformed kanjar said in his interview with Geo is that they all became suicide bombers ... and expects people to believe that!
... and the stupidest thing that this uniformed kanjar said in his interview with Geo is that they all became suicide bombers ... and expects people to believe that!
#20 Posted by Urstruly on March 21, 2007 9:49:53 am
Islamabad: Relatives of those people who have been kidnapped and made to to ``disappear`` by military dictator`s goons, are protesting in front of Supreme Court of Pakistan
#19 Posted by pmishra2 on March 21, 2007 9:35:52 am
Finally some signs that civil society isn`t completely dead in pakistan. If Nepal can get rid of its king, who claimed to be avatar of vishnu!, surely pakistan can limit the military dictators? Its really a bizarre history so far, with dictator after dictator coming forward and managing the country.
Speaking as an indian, this kind of agitation is a much better sign of shared values and possibly a shared future than any char-anna pronouncements of politicians and military afsars. And, no, this kind of agitational chaos does not mean the country is falling apart. It actually means the exact opposite: that people are invested and involved in the system and are willing to fight for something.
Speaking as an indian, this kind of agitation is a much better sign of shared values and possibly a shared future than any char-anna pronouncements of politicians and military afsars. And, no, this kind of agitational chaos does not mean the country is falling apart. It actually means the exact opposite: that people are invested and involved in the system and are willing to fight for something.
#18 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 21, 2007 9:12:19 am
{``#15 by kamath on March 21, 2007 7:02am PT
Re: # 9
ZEENA:
Could you tell me how in the world would you imbed a an animated object in Chowk`s post?
I am curious to know how this is technically done. Does one need to know any programming language for this.? I would appreciate your respondse.
Kamath``}
Kamath Sahib,
Zeemax is the most accomplished one at this feat. Unfortunately, he keeps imbedding the same horrible images over and over. Can`t teach an old dog new tricks. :)
Re: # 9
ZEENA:
Could you tell me how in the world would you imbed a an animated object in Chowk`s post?
I am curious to know how this is technically done. Does one need to know any programming language for this.? I would appreciate your respondse.
Kamath``}
Kamath Sahib,
Zeemax is the most accomplished one at this feat. Unfortunately, he keeps imbedding the same horrible images over and over. Can`t teach an old dog new tricks. :)
#17 Posted by zeemax on March 21, 2007 9:00:14 am
Author,
Way above the string of articles on the subject. Thanks.
It is true that people are just fed up. It was a mistake for musharraf to have allowed an independant media policy which has turned around and bit him.
The seeds of discontent had been there since about three years when the inflation hit, plus the FATA bombings, but there was nothing to bring people out on the streets. This issue has done what the previous could not. It is true about the last straw on the camels` back.
However the government is using the only tactic at its disposal, expectedly, of delaying tactics. Now the hearing scheduled for this week has been postponed till sometime in April.
I don`t know why HP is spinning such a yarn of it in his iLogs? He was never a conspiracy theorist ... why now?
Way above the string of articles on the subject. Thanks.
It is true that people are just fed up. It was a mistake for musharraf to have allowed an independant media policy which has turned around and bit him.
The seeds of discontent had been there since about three years when the inflation hit, plus the FATA bombings, but there was nothing to bring people out on the streets. This issue has done what the previous could not. It is true about the last straw on the camels` back.
However the government is using the only tactic at its disposal, expectedly, of delaying tactics. Now the hearing scheduled for this week has been postponed till sometime in April.
I don`t know why HP is spinning such a yarn of it in his iLogs? He was never a conspiracy theorist ... why now?
#16 Posted by nasah on March 21, 2007 7:37:00 am
``Well if he’s going to take credit for all the good things, he should have the guts to take credit for the bad things too!``(author)
exactly -- of a One-man rule that is one of the biggest flip side, `unfortunately` -- when things go wrong all shoes from all over start falling on One Head -- there is no one else to share them -- not the PM -- not the cabinet -- not the parliament.
This is why even Cowasjee is asking Musharraf to retreat -- to reinstate the CJ -- share power with an activist PM not with a disorderly orderly -- get rid of the sycophants -- especially that cloak n dagger quisling pair -- the Chaudry brothers -- promulgate presidential rule in punjab -- disband the goonda Illahi police -- UNITE the country by bringing home the exiled leaders -- appoint a fiercely Independent Election Commission -- and retire as a figurehead president -- and let your country men, women sort out their chosen leaders -- for a change.
You need rest, General -- from undercutting Muslim League Q -- and from overccutting Christian League B. You have done enough harm and enough good -- now it is time for you get out of the line of fire -- if you can -- and lay back and enjoy your `glory`. Period.
ah the disadvantages of being the sole proprieter of a public domain company!
exactly -- of a One-man rule that is one of the biggest flip side, `unfortunately` -- when things go wrong all shoes from all over start falling on One Head -- there is no one else to share them -- not the PM -- not the cabinet -- not the parliament.
This is why even Cowasjee is asking Musharraf to retreat -- to reinstate the CJ -- share power with an activist PM not with a disorderly orderly -- get rid of the sycophants -- especially that cloak n dagger quisling pair -- the Chaudry brothers -- promulgate presidential rule in punjab -- disband the goonda Illahi police -- UNITE the country by bringing home the exiled leaders -- appoint a fiercely Independent Election Commission -- and retire as a figurehead president -- and let your country men, women sort out their chosen leaders -- for a change.
You need rest, General -- from undercutting Muslim League Q -- and from overccutting Christian League B. You have done enough harm and enough good -- now it is time for you get out of the line of fire -- if you can -- and lay back and enjoy your `glory`. Period.
ah the disadvantages of being the sole proprieter of a public domain company!
#15 Posted by Kamath on March 21, 2007 7:02:10 am
Re: # 9
ZEENA:
Could you tell me how in the world would you imbed a an animated object in Chowk`s post?
I am curious to know how this is technically done. Does one need to know any programming language for this.? I would appreciate your respondse.
Kamath
ZEENA:
Could you tell me how in the world would you imbed a an animated object in Chowk`s post?
I am curious to know how this is technically done. Does one need to know any programming language for this.? I would appreciate your respondse.
Kamath
#14 Posted by ferozk on March 21, 2007 4:52:59 am
Re: Shaheryar Akbar
“This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Et tu Shaheryar - you are also dropping foreign names and their words in your article? lol
Ciao
“This time, like all times, is a very good one, if we but know what to do with it.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Et tu Shaheryar - you are also dropping foreign names and their words in your article? lol
Ciao
#13 Posted by rajiv2303 on March 21, 2007 2:35:09 am
While the above essay is a bit maudlin,As an Indian, am amazed at the courage of the lawyers and common people to stand up to injustice.Maybe there is hope for Pakistan yet.
A salute ,too,to Pakistan`s brave and fearless journalists.
Go Pakistan.We are with you.
A salute ,too,to Pakistan`s brave and fearless journalists.
Go Pakistan.We are with you.
#12 Posted by samar1982 on March 21, 2007 1:17:44 am
Almost completely a rhetorical article. Without much substance. Many times the handwriting resembles that of someone like NS or BB in exile. Sometimes it looks like a school essay scribbled over the answer sheet by a 10th class student. Though a good one, 10 out of 10 type. Fine vocabulary, no grammatical mistakes and having a passionate opening and a forceful ending, spiced with a quotation from one of the greatest essayist of all time.
Unfortunately, words won`t serve any good to Pak. I see many planing parties after reading this one.
So...!
Samar
#11 Posted by nasah on March 20, 2007 10:51:16 pm
``GOOD GENERALS KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO RETREAT`` -- And it is one of those times -- ONCE AGAIN -- to take another U Turn and RETREAT -- like 9/11 or like Kargill -- you may like to call Nawaz Sharif to help you once again, General, and then you may exile him again thereafter.
Ardshir Cowasjee asks who are the stupidos who deliberately did Musharraf -- are they his friends or his enemies -- Cowasjee asks Musharraf to RETREAT:
``Who was it who masterminded the ‘suspension’ of the Chief Justice of Pakistan before the presidential reference against him was heard? Which bright spark was it who has added to the local legal lexicon the phrase ‘non-functional’ in this particular context? Those who may attribute this to my friend and lawyer, Jadoogar of Jeddah Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, are as wrong as wrong can be. The Jadoogar, while the preparation of the reference was underway, was actually in Jeddah overseeing the revision of the OIC charter.
To anyone conversant with the legal skills with which he is endowed it is evident that he was not consulted in the matter. Had he been, things would not have come to such a sorry pass. As astutely and correctly noted by a fellow columnist in a Lahore-based newspaper writing on the mess that has been made by inefficient, if not downright stupid, advice.
“Another disturbing aspect is how blindingly clear it is that the deft hand of Sharifuddin Pirzada is absent. Never before has a military ruler attempted to fiddle with the judiciary without Pirzada masterminding the operation. He is a lawyer of both tremendous ability and vast experience . . . . [he] also always ensured that a legal footing, no matter how tenuous, was provided, which is not the case here.”
And again : Which hamfisted nincompoop ordered that the Chief Justice of Pakistan be kept under virtual house arrest and incommunicado from even the lawyers who are defending him? Which dysfunctional functionary ordered that the Chief Justice (regardless of what he should or should not have done) be waylaid when he set out for the Supreme Court and the reference hearing on March 13, and thus ensured that a photograph of his being manhandled – grasped by the hair on his head – by members of the police force be printed on the front page of one of our press publications?
And worse, which ‘information’ genius advised the general to call into his camp office on March 9 the press and the electronic media? We and the world could well have done without shots of a military general sitting with the Chief Justice of his country.
We need to know the answers if we are to come anywhere near understanding the whys and wherefores of the ridicule to which this nation is being held because one man has been misadvised, has not calmly thought out the issue, and has acted in undue haste.
``Now, it is up to the general to try and retrieve the situation. An editorial in The Times (London) gives due praise to Musharraf “for his resolute opposition to fanaticism” and “for his efforts to modernise Pakistan, not least by improving the appalling legal status of women . . . .”.
It points out “a signal error of judgment on his part” which has resulted in an uproar – his suspension of “the outspoken Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry” on allegations of abuse of authority “whose substance has yet to be made public.”
It ends : “It is useless for the government to deny any political motive. Its action is almost universally seen as an attempt to tame the judiciary before elections this year under rules that are expected to come under legal challenge. President Musharraf must calm this storm . . . . Good Generals know when to retreat.”
Yes, they do, but then it is far more difficult to make the retreat than to advance. Few would have ‘gloriously’ retreated as Musharraf so wisely did on the day after 9/11.
This is a short column. Disgust and dismay prevents me from writing more. All we can do is murmur to ourselves “Let Good triumph over Evil.” (DAWN)
arfc@cyber.com.pk
Ardshir Cowasjee asks who are the stupidos who deliberately did Musharraf -- are they his friends or his enemies -- Cowasjee asks Musharraf to RETREAT:
``Who was it who masterminded the ‘suspension’ of the Chief Justice of Pakistan before the presidential reference against him was heard? Which bright spark was it who has added to the local legal lexicon the phrase ‘non-functional’ in this particular context? Those who may attribute this to my friend and lawyer, Jadoogar of Jeddah Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, are as wrong as wrong can be. The Jadoogar, while the preparation of the reference was underway, was actually in Jeddah overseeing the revision of the OIC charter.
To anyone conversant with the legal skills with which he is endowed it is evident that he was not consulted in the matter. Had he been, things would not have come to such a sorry pass. As astutely and correctly noted by a fellow columnist in a Lahore-based newspaper writing on the mess that has been made by inefficient, if not downright stupid, advice.
“Another disturbing aspect is how blindingly clear it is that the deft hand of Sharifuddin Pirzada is absent. Never before has a military ruler attempted to fiddle with the judiciary without Pirzada masterminding the operation. He is a lawyer of both tremendous ability and vast experience . . . . [he] also always ensured that a legal footing, no matter how tenuous, was provided, which is not the case here.”
And again : Which hamfisted nincompoop ordered that the Chief Justice of Pakistan be kept under virtual house arrest and incommunicado from even the lawyers who are defending him? Which dysfunctional functionary ordered that the Chief Justice (regardless of what he should or should not have done) be waylaid when he set out for the Supreme Court and the reference hearing on March 13, and thus ensured that a photograph of his being manhandled – grasped by the hair on his head – by members of the police force be printed on the front page of one of our press publications?
And worse, which ‘information’ genius advised the general to call into his camp office on March 9 the press and the electronic media? We and the world could well have done without shots of a military general sitting with the Chief Justice of his country.
We need to know the answers if we are to come anywhere near understanding the whys and wherefores of the ridicule to which this nation is being held because one man has been misadvised, has not calmly thought out the issue, and has acted in undue haste.
``Now, it is up to the general to try and retrieve the situation. An editorial in The Times (London) gives due praise to Musharraf “for his resolute opposition to fanaticism” and “for his efforts to modernise Pakistan, not least by improving the appalling legal status of women . . . .”.
It points out “a signal error of judgment on his part” which has resulted in an uproar – his suspension of “the outspoken Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry” on allegations of abuse of authority “whose substance has yet to be made public.”
It ends : “It is useless for the government to deny any political motive. Its action is almost universally seen as an attempt to tame the judiciary before elections this year under rules that are expected to come under legal challenge. President Musharraf must calm this storm . . . . Good Generals know when to retreat.”
Yes, they do, but then it is far more difficult to make the retreat than to advance. Few would have ‘gloriously’ retreated as Musharraf so wisely did on the day after 9/11.
This is a short column. Disgust and dismay prevents me from writing more. All we can do is murmur to ourselves “Let Good triumph over Evil.” (DAWN)
arfc@cyber.com.pk
#10 Posted by KaalChakra on March 20, 2007 9:50:25 pm
If events have galvanized Pakistani people into asserting their own will, then three cheers for Pakistani people and three cheers for Pakistani nation.
[HP has posited a cautionary thesis. But to agree or disagree with that thesis one has to have the insiders` extremely detailed knowledge of the nation`s ruling system. I am hoping he is wrong on this one.]
[HP has posited a cautionary thesis. But to agree or disagree with that thesis one has to have the insiders` extremely detailed knowledge of the nation`s ruling system. I am hoping he is wrong on this one.]
#9 Posted by Zeena on March 20, 2007 8:32:37 pm
Yes, I am so proud to be Pakistani. We are not dead, we are alive.
My salute for Pakistani nation. This is the second time after Earthquake that Pakistani nation showed solidarity as one proud nation with integrity and self esteem.
My salute for Pakistani nation. This is the second time after Earthquake that Pakistani nation showed solidarity as one proud nation with integrity and self esteem.
#8 Posted by Zeena on March 20, 2007 8:21:54 pm
Excellent article!!!
Pakistan Zindabad.
[[[A nation is like a person. It must die to be resurrected. When President Musharraf “suspended” the Chief Justice, and in the process quite clearly violated his constitutional right and explicitly undermined the independence of the judiciary, I admitted that my nation had just been killed. Pakistan was dead. My people would so quickly bring it back to life, though, I had never imagined! Just when I thought my people would once again silently ignore this new form of oppression, and resign themselves to a fate written by politicians and generals, they responded! They awoke! They said in one voice, “enough is enough!” I have never been prouder to be a Pakistani! My people are alive, their hearts are pounding, their voices are rising, their dreams are soaring, and their cause is victorious! The political maturity that the people have shown has taken me by surprise.]]]
WoW! Wonderful.
Thank you so much for giving us readers an excellent read.
Thank you Chowk Staff for publishing such a great article.
Pakistan Zindabad.
[[[A nation is like a person. It must die to be resurrected. When President Musharraf “suspended” the Chief Justice, and in the process quite clearly violated his constitutional right and explicitly undermined the independence of the judiciary, I admitted that my nation had just been killed. Pakistan was dead. My people would so quickly bring it back to life, though, I had never imagined! Just when I thought my people would once again silently ignore this new form of oppression, and resign themselves to a fate written by politicians and generals, they responded! They awoke! They said in one voice, “enough is enough!” I have never been prouder to be a Pakistani! My people are alive, their hearts are pounding, their voices are rising, their dreams are soaring, and their cause is victorious! The political maturity that the people have shown has taken me by surprise.]]]
WoW! Wonderful.
Thank you so much for giving us readers an excellent read.
Thank you Chowk Staff for publishing such a great article.
#7 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 20, 2007 7:11:31 pm
{`` If we can’t be concerned enough to stand up for justice and liberty, than we deserve tyranny and servitude! Pressurize the government! Get students together and hold protests and rallies! Write in newspapers, write to ministers, and write to other citizens! Those in power base their power on the ignorance of the masses. Destroy the ignorance; you destroy the very foundations upon which those in power stand!``}
Akbar Sahib,
Well-written article, but a lot of brave words and plenty of cricket, nihari, and ammi jaan.
Nobody in his/her right mind would advocate dictatorship - especially a military one. Everyone wants democracy, but there is no quick fix, no cheap freedom, and no instant cure for insanity. Pakistan has NEVER experienced a sustained even limited democracy. Jinnah was basically a universally-accepted autocrat, a one-man show, who needed no ratification of his whimsical ideas. Muslims have an uncanny habit of elevating even the most mediocre of their leaders to positions approaching divinity.
Democracy means much more than mob rule. Majority rule does not mean that a vote can decide the life or death of any hated minorities, confiscation of their wealth, or designation of their community as non-Muslim, naPaak, or discrimination against them in employment, business, or education. There must be concrete, sacred, and inalienable rights assured to ALL citizens - such as in the Bill of Rights. There must be protection for smaller states/provinces, otherwise Delaware would have never joined the United States.
Pakistan has had only two orderly, legal, and fair transitions of power. The first was in the `50s when the Bengali-dominated Awami League and Suharwardy beat the incumbent Muslim League. The second was when an Urdu-speaking Mohajir COS, Mirza Aslam Beg, transferred power to a victorious Benazir Bhutto in 1989. Forget the fact that Gen Aslam Beg was an imbecile when it came to knowledge of military matters - he was the fool who considered helping the Bosnians achieve military success as a futile effort and bound for failure. But he did supervise fair elections and did not grab power for himself - unlike Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Mushy.
The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. The military must be there ONLY for the defense of the country against FOREIGN enemas - something it has NEVER succeeded in doing effectively. The military should not become a tool of a single province or ethnicity to lord over the rest of the country. The provinces should enjoy full local power - including taxation, police, education, and local legislation. The days of the One Unit and Basic Democracy crap are over. Will Pakis rise to the challenge or are we to expect more of the same? Throwing bricks, burning tires, and smashing windows are not the solution.
Akbar Sahib,
Well-written article, but a lot of brave words and plenty of cricket, nihari, and ammi jaan.
Nobody in his/her right mind would advocate dictatorship - especially a military one. Everyone wants democracy, but there is no quick fix, no cheap freedom, and no instant cure for insanity. Pakistan has NEVER experienced a sustained even limited democracy. Jinnah was basically a universally-accepted autocrat, a one-man show, who needed no ratification of his whimsical ideas. Muslims have an uncanny habit of elevating even the most mediocre of their leaders to positions approaching divinity.
Democracy means much more than mob rule. Majority rule does not mean that a vote can decide the life or death of any hated minorities, confiscation of their wealth, or designation of their community as non-Muslim, naPaak, or discrimination against them in employment, business, or education. There must be concrete, sacred, and inalienable rights assured to ALL citizens - such as in the Bill of Rights. There must be protection for smaller states/provinces, otherwise Delaware would have never joined the United States.
Pakistan has had only two orderly, legal, and fair transitions of power. The first was in the `50s when the Bengali-dominated Awami League and Suharwardy beat the incumbent Muslim League. The second was when an Urdu-speaking Mohajir COS, Mirza Aslam Beg, transferred power to a victorious Benazir Bhutto in 1989. Forget the fact that Gen Aslam Beg was an imbecile when it came to knowledge of military matters - he was the fool who considered helping the Bosnians achieve military success as a futile effort and bound for failure. But he did supervise fair elections and did not grab power for himself - unlike Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Mushy.
The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. The military must be there ONLY for the defense of the country against FOREIGN enemas - something it has NEVER succeeded in doing effectively. The military should not become a tool of a single province or ethnicity to lord over the rest of the country. The provinces should enjoy full local power - including taxation, police, education, and local legislation. The days of the One Unit and Basic Democracy crap are over. Will Pakis rise to the challenge or are we to expect more of the same? Throwing bricks, burning tires, and smashing windows are not the solution.
#6 Posted by Ranjit on March 20, 2007 3:34:19 pm
Re:eastmwest#4
[.People can relax, mingle with the opposte sex and just chill. At least for one day. If you can`t beat them join them. I think they should have ``Kafir Day`` and make it trendy and fun...]
Finally a Paki dude who has suggested a gem of an idea. Bravo!! Mashallah!! Subhanallah!!
[.People can relax, mingle with the opposte sex and just chill. At least for one day. If you can`t beat them join them. I think they should have ``Kafir Day`` and make it trendy and fun...]
Finally a Paki dude who has suggested a gem of an idea. Bravo!! Mashallah!! Subhanallah!!
#5 Posted by nasah on March 20, 2007 2:27:14 pm
It is time for Musharraf to take another U turn -- reinstate CJ -- get rid of Shaukat Aziz, Pervaiz Illahi, and that stupid vulgar law minister -- retire the cowardly lion Shoojat Husain -- and promote himself to a figurehead President -- end the exile of Benazir and Nawaz Sharif -- let the two party system provide an activist prime minster.
Time for Musharraf to give total rest to his tired rundown jaundiced -- liver -- enough of one-man ``saaray jahaaN ka durd humaray jiggar mein hai`` stuff.
The staying the course right now does not look pretty infact it could get very ugly -- and there is no need for for that.
Time for Musharraf to give total rest to his tired rundown jaundiced -- liver -- enough of one-man ``saaray jahaaN ka durd humaray jiggar mein hai`` stuff.
The staying the course right now does not look pretty infact it could get very ugly -- and there is no need for for that.
#4 Posted by eastmwest on March 20, 2007 1:52:35 pm
Look more than anything, more than ever...Pakistan needs some good bars, swanky ones, dive one, pick up joints etc... How about a vodka infused sharbat? People can relax, mingle with the opposte sex and just chill. At least for one day. If you can`t beat them join them. I think they should have ``Kafir Day`` and make it trendy and fun so the mullahs will loose their thunder. Kafir Day will be like Carnival. Before you know it ...Germans, Scandinavians will be choosing Pakistan over India. (Sorry but this Pakistani tourism schtick recently is a sad sorry imitation of India tourism dept ``Discover India``. Everyone I know has been or wants to visit India)
This is you chance Pakistan, imagaine all the attnand overnight it will ring true;
``Make Love Not War``.
Bet even Hamidm will hanker to rush back asap. :)
This is you chance Pakistan, imagaine all the attnand overnight it will ring true;
``Make Love Not War``.
Bet even Hamidm will hanker to rush back asap. :)
#3 Posted by hamidm2 on March 20, 2007 12:24:12 pm
Re: # 1
urstruly,
...... does this mean that you and i are going to meet this friday at the local bar and chalk out a strategy for the liberation of our pakistani brethren ?............ i must warn you that i quickly loose interest after the third drink or the first blonde that walks in - whichever comes first ..............
..... look, mian urstruly, you have been getting yourself all worked up for many many years on chowk without anything to show for it ......... i think it is time to move on ......... personally, i am taking up square dancing - want to join ?
urstruly,
...... does this mean that you and i are going to meet this friday at the local bar and chalk out a strategy for the liberation of our pakistani brethren ?............ i must warn you that i quickly loose interest after the third drink or the first blonde that walks in - whichever comes first ..............
..... look, mian urstruly, you have been getting yourself all worked up for many many years on chowk without anything to show for it ......... i think it is time to move on ......... personally, i am taking up square dancing - want to join ?
#2 Posted by jang on March 20, 2007 11:56:43 am
Isnt all this anarchist talk scaring you guys? I mean real-estate evaluations can drop by as much as 80% you know!
#1 Posted by Urstruly on March 20, 2007 10:48:13 am
Loved your passionate style.
And Amen to that:
``Following the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson, they have shown that these are indeed good times. Great times even. If we can’t be concerned enough to stand up for justice and liberty, than we deserve tyranny and servitude! Pressurize the government! Get students together and hold protests and rallies! Write in newspapers, write to ministers, and write to other citizens! Those in power base their power on the ignorance of the masses. Destroy the ignorance; you destroy the very foundations upon which those in power stand! Never before have I seen such clarity as to the stand that must be taken at such a crucial time! We need to send a clear message to the government and all other politicians that Pakistan is a country for the people! It is a country rooted in universal principles, the violation of which will never be tolerated! This is a time when a shining precedent can be forever etched into the history of our nation. It is a time that may very well be remembered as that juncture in Pakistan’s history when the people rose like fire and thunder and valiantly chose freedom over enslavement; forever preferred justice over tyranny!
``
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