A Nation Reborn
Shaheryar Akbar March 20, 2007
#65 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 12:20:45 pm
Re: # 62 Nasah
So the ``revolution`` led by lawyers has fizzled out?
So the ``revolution`` led by lawyers has fizzled out?
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#61 Posted by tahmed32 on March 23, 2007 9:31:00 pm
#60 He is Bhagwan aka Allah. Allah will Inshallah stick His neck out for the Rule of Law in Pakistan. :-)
#64 Posted by sveta-huna on March 24, 2007 11:21:28 am
Re: # 61 {He is Bhagwan aka Allah. Allah will Inshallah stick His neck out for the Rule of Law in Pakistan }
His name is not Bhagwan but Bhagwan Das, which means ``Servant of Bhagwan``, much like the muslim name Abdullah (``Servant of Allah``). It is a very nice Sanskrit name.
Having said the foregoing, Bhagwan Das is as Pakistani as anyone else who lives in Pakistan-- aka Aryadesh in Sanskrit ;)-- so I hope that he will act in the best interest of his home-land and the home-land of his anscetors.
Anarchy in Pakistan will serve noone except those who are motivated by bigtory and those who harbor hatred in their hearts.
Sveta-Huna
His name is not Bhagwan but Bhagwan Das, which means ``Servant of Bhagwan``, much like the muslim name Abdullah (``Servant of Allah``). It is a very nice Sanskrit name.
Having said the foregoing, Bhagwan Das is as Pakistani as anyone else who lives in Pakistan-- aka Aryadesh in Sanskrit ;)-- so I hope that he will act in the best interest of his home-land and the home-land of his anscetors.
Anarchy in Pakistan will serve noone except those who are motivated by bigtory and those who harbor hatred in their hearts.
Sveta-Huna
#58 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 23, 2007 10:16:15 am
Tahmed,
Yes, your bigotry and racism against Mohajirs is on record - right here on Chowk. As for lying, you stupid evil old man, you keep on accusing my family of looting departing Hindus. Produce one shred of evidence of that, you mean racist. :@
My family`s comfort and well-being is the result of my Turkish great grandfather’s hard work and generosity. He never, not once, came to Pakistan, you lying fool.
Remember what Islam teaches us about lying. If you don`t repent, you will find yourself sharing the oven next to Urstruly in HELL. :)
Yes, your bigotry and racism against Mohajirs is on record - right here on Chowk. As for lying, you stupid evil old man, you keep on accusing my family of looting departing Hindus. Produce one shred of evidence of that, you mean racist. :@
My family`s comfort and well-being is the result of my Turkish great grandfather’s hard work and generosity. He never, not once, came to Pakistan, you lying fool.
Remember what Islam teaches us about lying. If you don`t repent, you will find yourself sharing the oven next to Urstruly in HELL. :)
#57 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 23, 2007 10:05:15 am
Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai - Message to Mohajirs
Dear Urdu-speaking Mohajirs,
I have no political ambitions in Pakistan and certainly not in Lahore. You have noticed the constant altercation between various Pakistani Punjaibis and me. My main interest in retaliating forcefully against these bigots, racists, and supremacists is to expose them in your eyes.
In real life, most of you have probably suffered from discrimination at the hands of these selfish people in matters of education, employment, and commerce. What you have probably not contemplated is the level of their hatred, prejudice, and profanity. Well, here on Chowk, in the safety of anonymity, these people have the opportunity to express their true feelings without consequence. You have read cruel and lewd racist, ethnic, and linguistic insults from Ali1 and Atif2. You have witnessed the murderous intentions and hateful expressions of Punjaibi supremacy from Sobia and Khamkhwa. Even Manto, Ally, and Aashee have used thinly-disguised methods of insulting those whose native language is Urdu and whose ancestors came from Hindustan.
But, the worst offender and most hateful representative of Punjaibi behavior is Tahmed32. This hypocrite has openly and vehemently opposed the repatriation of Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. He, among other Pakistani Punjaibis, uses the term ``Bihari`` as a racist and condescending means to lump all Urdu-speakers together and justify discrimination and injustice against us.
The point of my message is that we should open our eyes, be alert, keep our powder dry, and not let these hatemongers reenact their murderous acts against our poor, defenseless people. Don`t forget that it was the mainly Pakistani Punjaibi-dominated army that massacred many Pakistanis in East Pakistan. It was this same Pakistani-Punjaibi dominated army that shamelessly surrendered in droves and the cowards were escorted to safety in India by their fellow Punjabis, mostly brave and compassionate Sikhs, of the Indian army.
The Pakistani Punjaibis drove the majority Bengalis out of Pakistan. They are looting the resources and killing the people of Baluchistan. They have killed in Karachi and continue to kill Pakistanis in NWFP. They have alienated the Kashmiris, especially the Gilgitis and Baltistanis. Even the Saraikis, who live in southern Punjaib, want to throw off their yoke.
Please understand the people you are up against. Let us not be fooled by them to make common cause with them against our fellow Pakistanis who suffer from their oppression. Please do not let them channel our frustration and anger against India, where many of our dear relatives live. India has never done anything to harm us intentionally - the devastating bombing of Karachi in `71 was not directly directed against us.
I agree that not all Pakistani Punjabis are evil. Yes, there are quite a few who see the stupidity and folly in their fellow Punjaibis` insatiable thirst for power and loot. Unfortunately, the most hateful and prejudiced Punjaibis seem to be in the majority and are certainly much more vocal here on Chowk.
Let us be united. Let us help each other. Let us develop a secular, democratic, and fair environment in the areas where we dominate and let`s get along with everyone - until our own freedoms, lives, and properties are threatened by these evil persecutors.
As the Urdu saying goes - ``Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai``
Dear Urdu-speaking Mohajirs,
I have no political ambitions in Pakistan and certainly not in Lahore. You have noticed the constant altercation between various Pakistani Punjaibis and me. My main interest in retaliating forcefully against these bigots, racists, and supremacists is to expose them in your eyes.
In real life, most of you have probably suffered from discrimination at the hands of these selfish people in matters of education, employment, and commerce. What you have probably not contemplated is the level of their hatred, prejudice, and profanity. Well, here on Chowk, in the safety of anonymity, these people have the opportunity to express their true feelings without consequence. You have read cruel and lewd racist, ethnic, and linguistic insults from Ali1 and Atif2. You have witnessed the murderous intentions and hateful expressions of Punjaibi supremacy from Sobia and Khamkhwa. Even Manto, Ally, and Aashee have used thinly-disguised methods of insulting those whose native language is Urdu and whose ancestors came from Hindustan.
But, the worst offender and most hateful representative of Punjaibi behavior is Tahmed32. This hypocrite has openly and vehemently opposed the repatriation of Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. He, among other Pakistani Punjaibis, uses the term ``Bihari`` as a racist and condescending means to lump all Urdu-speakers together and justify discrimination and injustice against us.
The point of my message is that we should open our eyes, be alert, keep our powder dry, and not let these hatemongers reenact their murderous acts against our poor, defenseless people. Don`t forget that it was the mainly Pakistani Punjaibi-dominated army that massacred many Pakistanis in East Pakistan. It was this same Pakistani-Punjaibi dominated army that shamelessly surrendered in droves and the cowards were escorted to safety in India by their fellow Punjabis, mostly brave and compassionate Sikhs, of the Indian army.
The Pakistani Punjaibis drove the majority Bengalis out of Pakistan. They are looting the resources and killing the people of Baluchistan. They have killed in Karachi and continue to kill Pakistanis in NWFP. They have alienated the Kashmiris, especially the Gilgitis and Baltistanis. Even the Saraikis, who live in southern Punjaib, want to throw off their yoke.
Please understand the people you are up against. Let us not be fooled by them to make common cause with them against our fellow Pakistanis who suffer from their oppression. Please do not let them channel our frustration and anger against India, where many of our dear relatives live. India has never done anything to harm us intentionally - the devastating bombing of Karachi in `71 was not directly directed against us.
I agree that not all Pakistani Punjabis are evil. Yes, there are quite a few who see the stupidity and folly in their fellow Punjaibis` insatiable thirst for power and loot. Unfortunately, the most hateful and prejudiced Punjaibis seem to be in the majority and are certainly much more vocal here on Chowk.
Let us be united. Let us help each other. Let us develop a secular, democratic, and fair environment in the areas where we dominate and let`s get along with everyone - until our own freedoms, lives, and properties are threatened by these evil persecutors.
As the Urdu saying goes - ``Waqt pe gadhey ko baap maanna jaayez hai``
#59 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 23, 2007 7:24:39 pm
Re: # 57 Salim Chauhan
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious.
Do you fight for this cause (of stranded Pakistanis` repatriation) only on chowk / other web forums or do you also take part in any jalsaa`s, public speeches, demonstrations etc in Pakistan? Just curious.
#56 Posted by tahmed32 on March 23, 2007 9:54:45 am
Salute to Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhury He will be remembered in history as a Great Pakistani....
From Dawn interview of the Chief Justice:
Mentioning specifically certain landmark cases, which instantly raised his stature as the adjudicating authority — enjoyed by nobody in the recent past — he talked about hearing petitions against rising oil and pharmaceutical prices involving the interests of large multinationals, preventing public parks being converted into exclusive (mini)golf clubs or commercial complexes, strictly enforcing building regulations and decreeing the demolition of elitist encroachments on public lands, prohibiting the cutting of forests in the construction of an elitist township known as New Murree in the foothills above Islamabad, instituting inquiries into disappearances, providing relief to rape victims, banning forced marriages and the exchange of girls and women to settle disputes according to local customs.
Last year, he also dealt a severe blow to the administration by annulling the privatisation of the largest industrial unit in Pakistan, the Pakistan Steel Mills. “The cases which were pending were the Gwadar land scam and certain constitutional issues. I was also going to look into the privatisation of the Habib Bank,” revealed Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.
In the last one year alone, he had taken suo motu notice of more than 6,000 cases of human rights’ abuse across the length and breadth of the country. In the two years since his elevation to that office the chief justice had cleared a massive backlog of cases and taken up, suo motu, several causes close to environmentalists and social reformers.
From Dawn interview of the Chief Justice:
Mentioning specifically certain landmark cases, which instantly raised his stature as the adjudicating authority — enjoyed by nobody in the recent past — he talked about hearing petitions against rising oil and pharmaceutical prices involving the interests of large multinationals, preventing public parks being converted into exclusive (mini)golf clubs or commercial complexes, strictly enforcing building regulations and decreeing the demolition of elitist encroachments on public lands, prohibiting the cutting of forests in the construction of an elitist township known as New Murree in the foothills above Islamabad, instituting inquiries into disappearances, providing relief to rape victims, banning forced marriages and the exchange of girls and women to settle disputes according to local customs.
Last year, he also dealt a severe blow to the administration by annulling the privatisation of the largest industrial unit in Pakistan, the Pakistan Steel Mills. “The cases which were pending were the Gwadar land scam and certain constitutional issues. I was also going to look into the privatisation of the Habib Bank,” revealed Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.
In the last one year alone, he had taken suo motu notice of more than 6,000 cases of human rights’ abuse across the length and breadth of the country. In the two years since his elevation to that office the chief justice had cleared a massive backlog of cases and taken up, suo motu, several causes close to environmentalists and social reformers.
#55 Posted by Urstruly on March 23, 2007 8:17:45 am
Though the journalist of the following article is a lifafa journalist, who usually tows the propaganda of whichever government is in power, but he is right. This article shows how much the corrupt ruling class is scared of the forces of change that are breathing down their necks.
#54 Posted by tahmed32 on March 22, 2007 7:00:17 pm
#53 ab Musharraf ko Bhagwan hee sahih raah dekhaay ga!! Amen. :-)
#60 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 23, 2007 7:44:48 pm
Re: # 54 tahmed
You think he is going to stick his neck out? He must realize how much is his chance of becoming a proper CJ (not acting one), even with his ``special`` qualifications, he surely must realize his place under the sun.
You think he is going to stick his neck out? He must realize how much is his chance of becoming a proper CJ (not acting one), even with his ``special`` qualifications, he surely must realize his place under the sun.
#53 Posted by nasah on March 22, 2007 4:52:28 pm
Maulana Samiulloo can go and jump in the nearest madarassa`s septic tank -- my prayer to Bhagwan is that defend YOUR independence.
Bhagwan -- you are MIGHTIER than a tin horn Dictator – don’t be afraid -- reinstate the CJ -- reference the DJ -- that Dictator Joker -- on two counts:
One) for illegal confinement of the Highest Judge of the country for 5 hours against his will -- in the Army House of ill Repute – Two) for hijacking the Highest Court of the country in broad day light at lathi point.
Ban him from ever stepping within the 200 feet of the Presidential Palace.
Bhagwan -- you are MIGHTIER than a tin horn Dictator – don’t be afraid -- reinstate the CJ -- reference the DJ -- that Dictator Joker -- on two counts:
One) for illegal confinement of the Highest Judge of the country for 5 hours against his will -- in the Army House of ill Repute – Two) for hijacking the Highest Court of the country in broad day light at lathi point.
Ban him from ever stepping within the 200 feet of the Presidential Palace.
#52 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 10:18:27 am
Shri Bag One Dash is from Sind (T)
Early life
Rana Bhagwandas was born on December 20, 1942 into a Hindu family in Sindh. He studied law and received a Masters degree in Islamic studies. He joined the bar in 1965 and after two years of practising law, joined the Pakistani Judicial System in 1967. Later, he became a sessions judge, and subsequently, a judge of the Sindh High Court. He is not a fan of cricket, but remains a supporter of the Pakistan cricket team.
Judicial career
Rana Bhagwandas was promoted to the Sindh High Court in 1994. In 1999, his appointment to the superior judiciary was challenged by a constitutional petition (no. 1069/1999) against the Government of Pakistan and Judge Bhagwandas. The petition demanded that the judicial bench consisting of Judge Bhagwandas should be declared unconstitutional because of Bhagwandas` religion, claiming that only Muslims can be appointed to the superior judiciary. The petition was rejected, and the petitioner was condemned by other judges of the high court and by a significant number of lawyers.
In 2000, he joined the Supreme Court of Pakistan after taking an oath of allegiance to Musharraf`s administration. Justice Bhagwandas took strong note of a kidnapping case involving a girl in NWFP forced to be a prostitute for four years. A believer in the sanctity of the Constitution of Pakistan and its legal system, Bhagwandas maintains that the law is equal for all religious communities in Pakistan. While staunchly defending Pakistan`s society and legal system against charges of bias and suppression of minorities, Bhagwandas is also a vocal opponent of the infamous practice of honour killings of women in the provincial rural areas.
For the 2006-2007 judicial year, Justice Bhagwandas is a member of the second bench of justices which also is home to Justice Nasir ul-Mulk and Justice Syed Jamshed Ali.
Chief justice
Justice Bhagwandas has served as acting Chief Justice twice - first in 2005 while Chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was on a ten day trip to the People`s Republic of China and then again in December 2006, when the latter was on a Haj pilgrimage. He was the first Hindu and the second non-Muslim (after A. R. Cornelius) to serve in this post. On February 8, 2005 Chief Justice Rana Bhagwandas was honoured with ``Siropa`` (robe of honour) during his maiden visit to Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar, India. He was on a private visit to Amritsar, Ropar and Chandigarh with Justice Khalil-ur Rehman Ramdev, another judge of the Pakistan Supreme Court and his wife. It is not clear if Bhagwandas will actually succeed Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry though; Bhagwandas is slated to retire in December 2007, after attaining the age of 65, while Chaudhry`s retirement is slated for 2013.
On December 28, 2006 Bhagwandas became acting judge again while the Chief Justice Chaudhury was on hajj.
Recent Controversy
On March 9, 2007, Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf declared Chief Justice Chaudhary ``non-functional`` and forwarded a reference against him to the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) of Pakistan. While Justice Bhagwandas should have taken his place as Acting Chief Justice, his whereabouts remain untraceable at the moment. On March 15, 2007 a petition was filed in the Supreme Court urging the Pakistan Government to declare his whereabouts. There have been unconfirmed reports that he is being held incommunicado by the Government or is in the ``protective`` custody of Pakistan`s intelligence agencies. His brother, Sri Chand, in Pakistan says that Bhagwandas went on a visit to India and since then the family has not heard from him. It has since been learnt (March 20) that he is meditating in the Indian city of Lucknow, and is due to return to Pakistan on March 23. He is aware of events transpiring in Pakistan.
Quotes
``The law is equal for everyone. It provides for equal treatment and equal protection.``
Courtesy Wikipedia
Early life
Rana Bhagwandas was born on December 20, 1942 into a Hindu family in Sindh. He studied law and received a Masters degree in Islamic studies. He joined the bar in 1965 and after two years of practising law, joined the Pakistani Judicial System in 1967. Later, he became a sessions judge, and subsequently, a judge of the Sindh High Court. He is not a fan of cricket, but remains a supporter of the Pakistan cricket team.
Judicial career
Rana Bhagwandas was promoted to the Sindh High Court in 1994. In 1999, his appointment to the superior judiciary was challenged by a constitutional petition (no. 1069/1999) against the Government of Pakistan and Judge Bhagwandas. The petition demanded that the judicial bench consisting of Judge Bhagwandas should be declared unconstitutional because of Bhagwandas` religion, claiming that only Muslims can be appointed to the superior judiciary. The petition was rejected, and the petitioner was condemned by other judges of the high court and by a significant number of lawyers.
In 2000, he joined the Supreme Court of Pakistan after taking an oath of allegiance to Musharraf`s administration. Justice Bhagwandas took strong note of a kidnapping case involving a girl in NWFP forced to be a prostitute for four years. A believer in the sanctity of the Constitution of Pakistan and its legal system, Bhagwandas maintains that the law is equal for all religious communities in Pakistan. While staunchly defending Pakistan`s society and legal system against charges of bias and suppression of minorities, Bhagwandas is also a vocal opponent of the infamous practice of honour killings of women in the provincial rural areas.
For the 2006-2007 judicial year, Justice Bhagwandas is a member of the second bench of justices which also is home to Justice Nasir ul-Mulk and Justice Syed Jamshed Ali.
Chief justice
Justice Bhagwandas has served as acting Chief Justice twice - first in 2005 while Chief justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was on a ten day trip to the People`s Republic of China and then again in December 2006, when the latter was on a Haj pilgrimage. He was the first Hindu and the second non-Muslim (after A. R. Cornelius) to serve in this post. On February 8, 2005 Chief Justice Rana Bhagwandas was honoured with ``Siropa`` (robe of honour) during his maiden visit to Harimandir Sahib in Amritsar, India. He was on a private visit to Amritsar, Ropar and Chandigarh with Justice Khalil-ur Rehman Ramdev, another judge of the Pakistan Supreme Court and his wife. It is not clear if Bhagwandas will actually succeed Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry though; Bhagwandas is slated to retire in December 2007, after attaining the age of 65, while Chaudhry`s retirement is slated for 2013.
On December 28, 2006 Bhagwandas became acting judge again while the Chief Justice Chaudhury was on hajj.
Recent Controversy
On March 9, 2007, Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf declared Chief Justice Chaudhary ``non-functional`` and forwarded a reference against him to the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC) of Pakistan. While Justice Bhagwandas should have taken his place as Acting Chief Justice, his whereabouts remain untraceable at the moment. On March 15, 2007 a petition was filed in the Supreme Court urging the Pakistan Government to declare his whereabouts. There have been unconfirmed reports that he is being held incommunicado by the Government or is in the ``protective`` custody of Pakistan`s intelligence agencies. His brother, Sri Chand, in Pakistan says that Bhagwandas went on a visit to India and since then the family has not heard from him. It has since been learnt (March 20) that he is meditating in the Indian city of Lucknow, and is due to return to Pakistan on March 23. He is aware of events transpiring in Pakistan.
Quotes
``The law is equal for everyone. It provides for equal treatment and equal protection.``
Courtesy Wikipedia
#51 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:53:44 am
#46 {``PPPP activists chant anti-Musharraf slogans during a demonstration in Islamabad. AFP``}
Too many pee pees in #46. I thought that Paki Punju Paindoo needed only 3 Pees. Is the additional one for Perverted? Persecutors? Putrid? Pusillanimous?
Too many pee pees in #46. I thought that Paki Punju Paindoo needed only 3 Pees. Is the additional one for Perverted? Persecutors? Putrid? Pusillanimous?
#50 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:41:41 am
Ali Jihadi complained on Unplugged about how Ghauris look.
Ali Jihadi,
Most Ghauris look like the picture you posted because of this guy:
Ali Jihadi,
Most Ghauris look like the picture you posted because of this guy:
#49 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 22, 2007 9:31:33 am
#364 Imperio from the ``Pakistan - rude, screwed, and tattooed`` thread {``Punjab is eating Pakistan and propagating to be the saviour of Pakistan. I m afraid you will not be succeeded this time.
I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.``}
Imperio Sahib,
Thank you for your frank and resolute remarks. I agree with you - even about not following MQM, Altaf Payee, Mushy, or anyone else blindly. We need to think for ourselves, help our people out of poverty and discrimination. Mohajirs have plenty of resources - especially overseas. Many Mohajirs are working actively and donating generously for the ``unofficial`` repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD - commonly referred to as ``Biharis`` by the Punjaibis as a form of collective insult. We will succeed Inshallah. To hell with Paki Punjab. All other people in Pakistan (Pathans, Baluchis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Gilgit Baltistanis, Mohajirs, and even Saraikis) want an end to Paki Punju Paindoo domination.
I also request my fellow young Muhajirs to fight for our rights and reject this terrorist MQM party. Our forefathers have done great mistakes by creating Pakistan and we have already suffered a lot. Now its time to only think for ourselves.``}
Imperio Sahib,
Thank you for your frank and resolute remarks. I agree with you - even about not following MQM, Altaf Payee, Mushy, or anyone else blindly. We need to think for ourselves, help our people out of poverty and discrimination. Mohajirs have plenty of resources - especially overseas. Many Mohajirs are working actively and donating generously for the ``unofficial`` repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD - commonly referred to as ``Biharis`` by the Punjaibis as a form of collective insult. We will succeed Inshallah. To hell with Paki Punjab. All other people in Pakistan (Pathans, Baluchis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, Gilgit Baltistanis, Mohajirs, and even Saraikis) want an end to Paki Punju Paindoo domination.
#48 Posted by TOLKININ on March 22, 2007 9:00:33 am
#43 by kamath on March 22, 2007 7:49am PT
Re: # 36
Mr: tolkinin : ``..Das, who returned today to Karachi from a pilgrimage in India, is the only Hindu judge in the Pakistan supreme court.....``
Justice Das went to an Ashram to meditate and take divine guidance from a Hindu god. Let us see if the directions from an infidel god makes any difference in the execution of his duties.! Let us wait and see!
Kamath
.. another infidel...
Bagwan .hindu, kafir are just names not every body calls them...its the hindutva politics not only recemtly but 60 yers ago which rsulted in dividing India ..Alas
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