The Day We Killed Bob Woolmer

yes, yes, rajiv, it`s gRacias. :-)

Dimwit #175:

You obviously haven`t a clue as to what Probable Cause is about, or on whose onus it is to prove guilt (here`s a hint: You CANNOT prove a negative).

But I`m tired of taking you to class now, so I`ll just take your leave, muchos garcias!

Re: # 175

Masadi,

this is getting way too tiresome,pal.Wake up and smell the coffee

PM writes <<< But there`s this little thing called Probable Cause. Heard of it? See how your theses start to wither on these grounds once the players` own words are matched against contrary contentions >>>

The thesis does not wither because one person claims to love the other or the other in his subordinate role claims to see the superior as a father figure...by the way most colonials treated their subordinates as if they had a child mentality and needed instruction and couldn`t think for themselves. Probable cause is not established in this nonsense manner in which you are suggesting, you have to look much deeper, at the effects; a person claims that his best friend is black, yet he blocks all opportunities for them based on race by sweet talk that makes them feel good but gets them nowhere, does that ``prove`` that he is a non-bigot? Of course not. Now when the authorities investigate murder are they going to let off the players just because they said that he was like ``their father``? Get real fool...

Re: # 173

PM,

I am surprised that as yet no retort has come to bhairav`s responses,which are actually based on fact from MASADI the MArxist-Islamist(if such the thing is possible)
So India is out of the world cup.Great.Any game where a coach of one of the contenders gets killed in a mutinational tournament needs some cold water thrown on it.

I hope the hype fades.I hope Sachin,Saurav,Dravid have the good sense and the grace to go when the timing is right.And I hope sadly ,and in vain,that no one assaults them ,burns their effigies,and other such crap.Just let those poor guys lick their wounds in peace..

Enough already.

bhairav:

No need for apologies. Your posts were completely relevant to the turn the discussion had taken.

shree rajiv, perhaps you`re new to chowk, but it`s taken as a given, and accpetable, that interacts go off on tangents. No one could ever accuse us chowkies of being excessively lateral thinkers. :-)

waisey, bhairav, to my understanding, while slavery was (is?) completely acceptable in Islam, the Prophet himself admonished his followers to treat slaves with a modicum of kindness.

But then, that`s not so different from the white slave owner`s often benighted `caring` for his slaves, now is it, retarded masadi?

will indians kill their coach now that they are out of the cup?
na we will just kill their potential to make money. thank you.
they just wont get any endorsements for a while i am sure.
It is market economy vs madarasa economy.

I apologize for all the previous “cut and paste” posts about Slavery, existing in 21st Century, in the Islamic world.

Just got bit tired of imaginary rants of exploitation/discrimination by White-man, made by the Islamist/ Marxist (a real oxymoronic combo if ever there was one) interactor –Masadi, when in the Islamic countries Allah’s chosen people are doing worse. But of course US/West is to blame for everything. Isn’t it?

Was just trying to point out that ALL Slavery/exploitation is/was not done by the White Bogeyman alone. No way am I supporting whites/ Europeans. Whites have acknowledged that slavery/colonialism is bad, done some reparations and are moving on and their societies are as equitable as human nature will possibly allow.

Islamic societies, on the other hand, have a long way to go. If you don’t acknowledge you have a problem, how will you solve it?

Just saying – “Islam means peace; Islam is against slavery; Islam was 1st to give rights to woman” – Does not amount to hill of beans.

Your actions speak so LOUD, I can’t hear what you are saying.

I mean you just have to look at Muslim countries and you get your answer.

Slavery, women’s exploitation and killing infidels (non-Muslims) - has religious sanction in Islam. Acknowledge it, and then try to change it.

In India caste-system and treatment of Dalits and women was bad. This has been acknowledged and special laws have been put in constitution to uplift them. Its not perfect but after 60 years of Indian independence, the Dalits/women are little better-off now than in 1947. Moreover the exploited in India (Dalits/women) have been empowered to fight for their own rights and don’t have to wait for hand-outs. They have organizations / political parties geared to work for their rights and demands. Most Maoists in India’s most backward states are Dalits who are fighting and hammering away against feudal landlords and labor exploitation.

Chinese are trying to change things their own way with some success and the commies in Calcutta are trying to emulate them with little success.

Thing is exploitation/discrimination happened everywhere because there was not enough wealth to go around and the powerful kept it all to themselves. Times are different now. And change should be easy today. But just keeping on repeating “Whiteman = Bad” gets old after sometime and does not get you anywhere.

Bhairav,

Sorry.Am a tubelight.I finally got it...you are driving home the point to dear MAsadi san about Islam &Slavery.

Still,what does that have to do with now the alleged murder of an englishman?I am not so clever about these things

Re: # 165

And what is your global point?Pakistan,DArfour,Mauretania all point to the dark backwardness of Islam??Give it a break..

And now its official.Woolmer was strangled.Should this world cup be aborted?

From the Arizona article


<<< 18 months ago the vice police started their new focus of proactively seeking out pimps.

“I want to send them to prison penniless, and naked if possible,” said Sergeant Bray. “And that’s what the other 18 vice officers are there to do as well.” >>>


Masadi dear, the Arizona police must have made it very uncomfortable for you. Is this why you fled the US ???

Pakistanis pay final
respects to Woolmer

http://pakistantimes.net/2005/05/03/national5.htm

Over 2,000 Pakistani camel-jockeys languishing in UAE


Pakistan Times National News Desk

ISLAMABAD: More than 2,000 ailing Pakistani children belonging to poor class are languishing in miserable conditions in so-called protected houses in Abu Dhabi. They were smuggled into the UAE for camel riding.

The presence of the children of less than six years of age has come to the light through courtesy of UAE government officials and some non-governmental organizations working internationally.

This startling disclosure has been made by the Minister of State for Labour, Manpower and Overseas Pakistanis, Tariq Azim, in a chat with noted journalist Muhammad Saleh Zaafir of The News here on Monday evening. The Minister dashed to Abu Dhabi to discuss the matter with Prince Saif Al-Nahyan, the Interior Minister of the UAE. They are meeting in Abu Dhabi Tuesday (today).

The minister revealed that Pakistan`s ambassador in the UAE, Air Marshal Qaiser Hussain, has already got rescued 134 such children from the smugglers` captivity. The death of some children has also been reported.

The UAE government has enacted legislation to deal with this cruel sport wherein small children were used as jockeys. The government has forbidden riding of less than 16-years of age or a child having weight less than 45 kg as jockey of camel. But some cheats are still involved in the business by using illegal means.

They get the age and weight of the children changed by scratching the original documents with the connivance of the airport staff and immigration officials on the both sides, the minister said.

Describing the plight of the children, the minister said that the children who fell off the running camels are either crushed to death or injured. Such children are not even provided with adequate food or proper treatment, he added.

The minister disclosed that in most cases smugglers get hold of abducted children and show them as children of fake mothers hired by them. On reaching the UAE, the fake mothers hand over the children to the ``rider mafia`` and return Pakistan under the pretext of some emergency with the help of some officials. They are given another set of children for the same cycle.

A staff member of Pakistan`s mission in the UAE was sent back recently on the charges of his involvement in such ``trade``, the minister added. The UAE embassy sources told this scribe that the UAE government has taken strict steps to check such activities and severe punishment is given to those involved in children riding.�œ

Jesus H Christ!!!Where does Poor Bob figure in all this!!!why have we got sidetracked to Islamic Slavery in Darfour and Mauretania??!!!

I have been to that Country on the edge of the Sahara...and found a Ship`s agent who was a fan of Hema Malini and Dharmendra..I kid you not.In Noadhibou..a place where you`d imagine

French Legionnairre`s in Kepis about....

Will someone please stop this digression?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35518

Saudi sheik: `Slavery is a part of Islam`
Leading government cleric, author of country`s religious curriculum

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Posted: November 10, 2003

5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A leading Saudi government cleric and author of the country`s religious curriculum believes Islam advocates slavery.

``Slavery is a part of Islam,`` says Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, according to the independent Saudi Information Agency, or SIA.

In a lecture recorded on tape by SIA, the sheik said, ``Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.``

His religious books are used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the country and abroad, including the United States.

Al Fawzan – a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia`s highest religious body – says Muslims who contend Islam is against slavery ``are ignorant, not scholars.``
``They are merely writers,`` he said, according to SIA. ``Whoever says such things is an infidel.``

Al-Fawzan`s best-known textbook, ``Al-Tawheed – Monotheism,`` says most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by ``true Muslims.``
SIA said although the Saudi government claims religious curriculum is being reformed, Al-Fawzan`s books are still in wide use.

Al-Fawzan is a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia`s main center of learning for the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam.
SIA noted Al-Fawzan, a leading opponent of curriculum reform, opposes elections and demonstrations as Western influences, is against Arab women marrying non- Arab Muslims and has issued a fatwa forbidding the watching of television.

Al-Fawzan has threatened to behead a Saudi writer and scholar, Sheik Hassan Al-Maliki, for his criticism of Wahhabism, according to SIA. Al-Maliki was fired from his position with the ministry of education after writing a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan`s book ``Al-Tawheed.``