The Day We Killed Bob Woolmer

Re: # 145

Dear Rajiv

You seem to be classic wishy washy fence sitter...they say if you sit long enough on a fence, eventually the spikes go up your ass...

Re: # 143

Further to below:

I mean not just white americans but all goras are terrrified of PAkistan..well almost all.

Bob mustve been a courageous guy..and dont forget he was a Hindoostani by birth(Kanpur) and his dad played Ranji trophy for UP.

Was just trying to play devils advocate ..maybe i`ll let that pass.Too much ``sympathy for the devil``(Rolling stones-circla 1967)...

Re: # 140

PM;am not saying I agree with MAsadis thesis.I dont know if you are calling me a retard but I`ll let that pass ; grin, grin.

I am willing to accept that like any middle aged executive poor old Bob was also worried about his job.

If Bob was such a white boy, he would have never dared to come to Pakistan whose very mention scares the bejesus out of all or most Americans...thinking it to be acountry overrun by wild eyed radicals beheading journalists or jihadis.

I suspect Masadi is in some Ivy League campus experiencing radicalisation as a SouthAsian or person of colour after escaping Feudal Pakistan...grin grin

Dunno where thsi Baghi came from..supect him to be a fellow shippie whom I might have net in some bar in brazil maybe hahahahaha

re. rajiv`s ``I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.``

I forgot to add that such a POV would require us to believe that the statements from every Pakistani cricketer and his grandma about Woolmer`s extremely warm, even paternal, nature (``he was like a father to me``-- Afridi and Yunis) were either fabricated by the press/tv-editors or merely another example of brown obsequiousness before the white man.

I know of at least one retard here on chowk willing to subscribe to the latter theory.

Shezadaaa!!
Which internet are you on? I read #136 and got a completely different message from the one you seem to have got.

rajiv: Supremacist. Thanks!

Fancy a (West) Pakistani pontificating on the issue of racism! :-)

#136 (Thumbs-up vala ikaan insert kareiN!)

re. rajiv2303:

``I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.``

That requires us to assume that Woolmer would have reason to believe that his reputation as a coach would be devalued in the eyes of prospective employers. Only those ignorant of Pakistani players` legendary inconsistency, or of their recent performances in the Windies, England and even S.Africa, or indeed of their history of links to the Lahore bookies` syndicate, could come up with such a well.. retarded contention. :-)

Woolmer`s stint with S.Africa sealed his reputation as one of the best, if not the best man for the job. And, just to indicate how Pakistan coaches are not to be judged by the performance of the team in merely one tournament, guess who is being fingered as our next coach? (Hint: World Cup 2003, where we also exited in the first round.)

Re: # 138

sorry pm,it is white supremacist and not supremist

Imbecile Masadi:
Occasionally using the wrong word doesn`t make one a retard. (Okay, here`s the correction: ``Retarded masadi dthe cause (not motive) of Woolmer`s stress to be related to his support of the white supremist agenda``
THere! Happier now!?

Oh, btw, correcting the English but skirting around the larger point is not just imbecelic, it`s also patently dishonest... but then, given your history, I doubt that will be a surprsie to anyone.

Re: # 136

Rajiv 2303,

Your incredible naivete makes me smile:-)

Obviously all that roistering about in various bars around the world and the endless sea makes you think of the whole world as one big happy family.

sorry pal.Its not.Its Polarised.

Re: # 135

Well MAsadi -san,

THe white /caucasian world will now shiver at the prospect of the rebirth of the Middle Kingdom and the Yellow Peril.(not to mention some muscle flexing from little old India as well in the economic sphere).

Maybe us subcontinentals should ourselves examine our Colour,caste and class biases...

In India its not just the Hindoos or Hinjews (as the recently banned zeemax is so fond of saying)

An Ashrafi Muslim will not marry say, an Ansari..A Jat Sikh will never marry a Majhabi sikh...

A Sunni will not marry a Shia..In Catholic Goa a Brahman Christian will not amrry a fisher community Christian.

I met a Nigerian student on a train in India.He was affable and friendly,conversing in English and Hindi...and I asked him about Race.He said ,after the first year being called a ``Kalloo`` didnt matter and he did make friends ...he said you Indians are really very racist,you know,but with a smile,which forgave all.

The hell with narrow mindedness.Its upto us to change this.

<<< Masadi..its a big wide world and people are just people. >>>

That is where you are quite wrong, the kind of social structure a person conducts his daily life under largely determines the kind of person he or she will become. Unfortunately due to historical precident and later crystallization both within the caucasian countries and their superior-subordinate relationship to the colored world, this kind of race bigotry among white males has become an automatic even implicit response, even by seemingly decent people. Personal racism of this sort might not be as harmful as what produces it and the results as objective fact in social institutions and the wider global system

Re: # 132

Masadi,

I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.

Where you probably blew it was bringing race into the picture...Maybe you can illustrate with examples from personal expereince??
I have travelled the world....I got called a Paki &8^% by a bunch of drunk English kids on a bus in UK and I quietly got off...my fellow Asian Passengers looked impassively on.

In crowded Trams in Boston,USA,City of Universities by the dozen, no white person would sit next to me even if the seat was vacant..

But also complete strangers (Caucasians) have been very kind.

I worked with a bunch of Srilankans at the height of the tensions in Srilanka and never had a problem..

Have been lost in Black Harlem in New York city and very kindly helped to cab buy a mean looking bloke about as big and tall as a barn.

Masadi..its a big wide world and people are just people.

I mean it.Am a mariner and have circumnavigated the globe several times.

Masadi saheb,

Latest evidence suggests that the death may neither be heart failure, caused by health problems or psyhcological disturbance, but outright murder.

Regards

Retard PM writes<<< but the imbecilic attempt to induce the `truth` about a particular individual`s motives from that general statement. Some retards see humans first and last by their skin colour (and then accuse others of committing the same sin!) >>>

Actually I was not talking about motive at all, a heart attack does not occur due to ``motive`` of the victim. I was merely offering an alternative (more probable) cause of his stress (related to his economic and status future) than community love of the Pakistani people or the Pakistani cricket team. It is your responsibility in order to prove me wrong to give examples of either cases or aggregate stats that the white man (who scores high on all measures of prejudice as objective fact and in history) died for love of the people he considers his inferiors.

Retard PM, you claim to be a logician but don`t understand the language in which you are trying to phrase your (il-)logic

Re: # 56

Wow.Great read.Cricket mania=Borderline erotomania.

Boy Loves girl.If girl rejects Boy throws acid on her face.Excellent read Essensaur