The Day We Killed Bob Woolmer

when he returned to his hotel, after just a little time, he was dead.

just a technical question, did he used a computer in his life, or did he ever lived next to someone who runs a machine called ``computer`` ?

the hotel he stayed at, has an internet canopy ?

it is not tough to explain if the above is/are true, he might have been murdered using a computer.

Pchealth folder has the answer, as well as the clock.avi file.

most of us are prone to this method of being murdered, unless you know how to protect yourself from the above two folders/files.

good luck !

#191 by rajiv2303

...good taste in public discourse? What do you gaomutras know about that ...

Re: # 192

yo zeemax.how are you doing pal?Is the ulcer acting up?or is it just indigestion...

So ... the dravidians butt-kicked the gaomutras, and now the bingos are butt-kicking the rastafarians ... and that ends up in butt-kicking the gaomutras from the island altogether ...

Strange rules of WC ... could never understand these ...

#183 by arjun2

... after a crushing defeat by the Bengalis

...umm... didn`t see any benglais in `that` pic. However there`re a LOT of bengalis in the `crushing defeat` in this one ..

Re: # 188

Zeemax ,I think you are going to be beamed up by Scotty once more.The award for good taste in public discourse certainly goes to you.Moderators????

Re: # 188


The dead mudslime Pakis left abondoned by Paki Fauj at the foot of this hill warms my heart.

sorry,should read hard time expressing himself

#179 by adarang on March 24, 2007 10:45am PT



after a crushing defeat by the Bengalis


umm...ok..

Ever wonder how the half breeds ( some Pakis here ) are the most racist people. Pakis owe thei fair color to the invading Arab hordes who raped their great grand mothers probably after killing their husbands or if alive, made to watch the rapes. I guess it takes the feeling of naa edhar ka naa udhar kaa to hate dark indian cousins..

Re: # 182
sri,

he loves you.He`s just having a hard time expressing him.Just get him started on Bipasha Basu,Shah Rukh and Aishwarya Rai...

Re:adarang

Hmm...so you are a hindu hating Indian classical music fan. Never thought that could be possible, given that hindus created Indian classical music and all the ragas from the vedic times. So you enjoy our stuff like Raag Jaijawanti and Kedar and give us nasty gaalis. Vow!!

Anyway, if you get over your bigotry, we can discuss classical music sometime. Listen to Raag Lalit or Bhatiyar sometime. I would recommend Khan Abdul Karim Khan, especially his raag basant or try Usad Amir Khan. Of course, Bade Ghulam Ali Khan is the all time best. In fact musicindiaonline.com has lots of great classical music pieces.

#179 by adarang

``We ruled your smelly @ss country for a long time. Made your grand-fathers scrub our floors and your moms, warm our beds for us.``

And you are the result of that rapes.

yes, yes, rajiv, it`s gRacias. :-)

Re: # 178
PM,No problemo, hombre.That little punk needs to grow up!!

Dimwit #175:

You obviously haven`t a clue as to what Probable Cause is about, or on whose onus it is to prove guilt (here`s a hint: You CANNOT prove a negative).

But I`m tired of taking you to class now, so I`ll just take your leave, muchos garcias!

PM writes <<< But there`s this little thing called Probable Cause. Heard of it? See how your theses start to wither on these grounds once the players` own words are matched against contrary contentions >>>

The thesis does not wither because one person claims to love the other or the other in his subordinate role claims to see the superior as a father figure...by the way most colonials treated their subordinates as if they had a child mentality and needed instruction and couldn`t think for themselves. Probable cause is not established in this nonsense manner in which you are suggesting, you have to look much deeper, at the effects; a person claims that his best friend is black, yet he blocks all opportunities for them based on race by sweet talk that makes them feel good but gets them nowhere, does that ``prove`` that he is a non-bigot? Of course not. Now when the authorities investigate murder are they going to let off the players just because they said that he was like ``their father``? Get real fool...

Re: # 175

Masadi,

this is getting way too tiresome,pal.Wake up and smell the coffee

bhairav:

No need for apologies. Your posts were completely relevant to the turn the discussion had taken.

shree rajiv, perhaps you`re new to chowk, but it`s taken as a given, and accpetable, that interacts go off on tangents. No one could ever accuse us chowkies of being excessively lateral thinkers. :-)

waisey, bhairav, to my understanding, while slavery was (is?) completely acceptable in Islam, the Prophet himself admonished his followers to treat slaves with a modicum of kindness.

But then, that`s not so different from the white slave owner`s often benighted `caring` for his slaves, now is it, retarded masadi?

Re: # 173

PM,

I am surprised that as yet no retort has come to bhairav`s responses,which are actually based on fact from MASADI the MArxist-Islamist(if such the thing is possible)
So India is out of the world cup.Great.Any game where a coach of one of the contenders gets killed in a mutinational tournament needs some cold water thrown on it.

I hope the hype fades.I hope Sachin,Saurav,Dravid have the good sense and the grace to go when the timing is right.And I hope sadly ,and in vain,that no one assaults them ,burns their effigies,and other such crap.Just let those poor guys lick their wounds in peace..

Enough already.

will indians kill their coach now that they are out of the cup?
na we will just kill their potential to make money. thank you.
they just wont get any endorsements for a while i am sure.
It is market economy vs madarasa economy.

I apologize for all the previous “cut and paste” posts about Slavery, existing in 21st Century, in the Islamic world.

Just got bit tired of imaginary rants of exploitation/discrimination by White-man, made by the Islamist/ Marxist (a real oxymoronic combo if ever there was one) interactor –Masadi, when in the Islamic countries Allah’s chosen people are doing worse. But of course US/West is to blame for everything. Isn’t it?

Was just trying to point out that ALL Slavery/exploitation is/was not done by the White Bogeyman alone. No way am I supporting whites/ Europeans. Whites have acknowledged that slavery/colonialism is bad, done some reparations and are moving on and their societies are as equitable as human nature will possibly allow.

Islamic societies, on the other hand, have a long way to go. If you don’t acknowledge you have a problem, how will you solve it?

Just saying – “Islam means peace; Islam is against slavery; Islam was 1st to give rights to woman” – Does not amount to hill of beans.

Your actions speak so LOUD, I can’t hear what you are saying.

I mean you just have to look at Muslim countries and you get your answer.

Slavery, women’s exploitation and killing infidels (non-Muslims) - has religious sanction in Islam. Acknowledge it, and then try to change it.

In India caste-system and treatment of Dalits and women was bad. This has been acknowledged and special laws have been put in constitution to uplift them. Its not perfect but after 60 years of Indian independence, the Dalits/women are little better-off now than in 1947. Moreover the exploited in India (Dalits/women) have been empowered to fight for their own rights and don’t have to wait for hand-outs. They have organizations / political parties geared to work for their rights and demands. Most Maoists in India’s most backward states are Dalits who are fighting and hammering away against feudal landlords and labor exploitation.

Chinese are trying to change things their own way with some success and the commies in Calcutta are trying to emulate them with little success.

Thing is exploitation/discrimination happened everywhere because there was not enough wealth to go around and the powerful kept it all to themselves. Times are different now. And change should be easy today. But just keeping on repeating “Whiteman = Bad” gets old after sometime and does not get you anywhere.

And now its official.Woolmer was strangled.Should this world cup be aborted?

From the Arizona article


<<< 18 months ago the vice police started their new focus of proactively seeking out pimps.

“I want to send them to prison penniless, and naked if possible,” said Sergeant Bray. “And that’s what the other 18 vice officers are there to do as well.” >>>


Masadi dear, the Arizona police must have made it very uncomfortable for you. Is this why you fled the US ???

Pakistanis pay final
respects to Woolmer

http://pakistantimes.net/2005/05/03/national5.htm

Over 2,000 Pakistani camel-jockeys languishing in UAE


Pakistan Times National News Desk

ISLAMABAD: More than 2,000 ailing Pakistani children belonging to poor class are languishing in miserable conditions in so-called protected houses in Abu Dhabi. They were smuggled into the UAE for camel riding.

The presence of the children of less than six years of age has come to the light through courtesy of UAE government officials and some non-governmental organizations working internationally.

This startling disclosure has been made by the Minister of State for Labour, Manpower and Overseas Pakistanis, Tariq Azim, in a chat with noted journalist Muhammad Saleh Zaafir of The News here on Monday evening. The Minister dashed to Abu Dhabi to discuss the matter with Prince Saif Al-Nahyan, the Interior Minister of the UAE. They are meeting in Abu Dhabi Tuesday (today).

The minister revealed that Pakistan`s ambassador in the UAE, Air Marshal Qaiser Hussain, has already got rescued 134 such children from the smugglers` captivity. The death of some children has also been reported.

The UAE government has enacted legislation to deal with this cruel sport wherein small children were used as jockeys. The government has forbidden riding of less than 16-years of age or a child having weight less than 45 kg as jockey of camel. But some cheats are still involved in the business by using illegal means.

They get the age and weight of the children changed by scratching the original documents with the connivance of the airport staff and immigration officials on the both sides, the minister said.

Describing the plight of the children, the minister said that the children who fell off the running camels are either crushed to death or injured. Such children are not even provided with adequate food or proper treatment, he added.

The minister disclosed that in most cases smugglers get hold of abducted children and show them as children of fake mothers hired by them. On reaching the UAE, the fake mothers hand over the children to the ``rider mafia`` and return Pakistan under the pretext of some emergency with the help of some officials. They are given another set of children for the same cycle.

A staff member of Pakistan`s mission in the UAE was sent back recently on the charges of his involvement in such ``trade``, the minister added. The UAE embassy sources told this scribe that the UAE government has taken strict steps to check such activities and severe punishment is given to those involved in children riding.�œ

Re: # 165

And what is your global point?Pakistan,DArfour,Mauretania all point to the dark backwardness of Islam??Give it a break..

Bhairav,

Sorry.Am a tubelight.I finally got it...you are driving home the point to dear MAsadi san about Islam &Slavery.

Still,what does that have to do with now the alleged murder of an englishman?I am not so clever about these things

Jesus H Christ!!!Where does Poor Bob figure in all this!!!why have we got sidetracked to Islamic Slavery in Darfour and Mauretania??!!!

I have been to that Country on the edge of the Sahara...and found a Ship`s agent who was a fan of Hema Malini and Dharmendra..I kid you not.In Noadhibou..a place where you`d imagine

French Legionnairre`s in Kepis about....

Will someone please stop this digression?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35518

Saudi sheik: `Slavery is a part of Islam`
Leading government cleric, author of country`s religious curriculum

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Posted: November 10, 2003

5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A leading Saudi government cleric and author of the country`s religious curriculum believes Islam advocates slavery.

``Slavery is a part of Islam,`` says Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, according to the independent Saudi Information Agency, or SIA.

In a lecture recorded on tape by SIA, the sheik said, ``Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam.``

His religious books are used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the country and abroad, including the United States.

Al Fawzan – a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia`s highest religious body – says Muslims who contend Islam is against slavery ``are ignorant, not scholars.``
``They are merely writers,`` he said, according to SIA. ``Whoever says such things is an infidel.``

Al-Fawzan`s best-known textbook, ``Al-Tawheed – Monotheism,`` says most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by ``true Muslims.``
SIA said although the Saudi government claims religious curriculum is being reformed, Al-Fawzan`s books are still in wide use.

Al-Fawzan is a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia`s main center of learning for the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam.
SIA noted Al-Fawzan, a leading opponent of curriculum reform, opposes elections and demonstrations as Western influences, is against Arab women marrying non- Arab Muslims and has issued a fatwa forbidding the watching of television.

Al-Fawzan has threatened to behead a Saudi writer and scholar, Sheik Hassan Al-Maliki, for his criticism of Wahhabism, according to SIA. Al-Maliki was fired from his position with the ministry of education after writing a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan`s book ``Al-Tawheed.``

http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=41638

Kenya Broadcasting Corporation

Probe of Darfur `slavery` starts

Written By:Muthoni Kariuki/bbc , Posted: Wed, Mar 21, 2007

Lawyers in Sudan`s Darfur region are investigating reports of slavery during the conflict.
``There are many cases of abductions,`` a Sudanese lawyer told the BBC.

They are too afraid of possible reprisals from either militias or state security agents to give their names but say there is strong evidence.

``It is happening but on a smaller scale than in the south,`` one Sudanese human rights worker said. Some 11,000 people were enslaved in the north-south war.

Arab pro-government ``Murahaleen`` militias rode their horses into southern villages, killing men, raping women, looting anything they found and burning the huts.

The Darfur conflict broke out just as the war in the south was coming to an end and eyewitness reports bear a striking similarity of atrocities committed by the militias, known in Darfur as the Janjaweed.

One of the worst affected parts of south Sudan was Bahr al-Ghazal - just south of the border with the largely Arab north and not far from South Darfur.

Sudanese human rights workers say some members of the Arab Rezeigat community have been in both the Janjaweed and the Murahaleen but most of the Janjaweed are from different Arab tribes.

Sudan`s veteran anti-slave campaigner James Aguer, however, says they are exactly the same groups, just with a different name.

Sudan`s government has strongly denied claims it mobilised first the Murahaleen and then the Janjaweed to terrorise civilian populations seen as rebel sympathisers.

It also denies there are slaves in Sudan, instead using the euphemism ``abdcutees``.
But some analysts say the similar methods used could be because they have undergone the same training.

One aid worker said that in both cases, after local groups took up arms against the government, Arab tribal leaders were told that black Africans were trying to take their land and needed to be resisted. The Arabs were given weapons with horrific results, he said.

Until now, a key difference between the two conflicts is that despite all the other atrocities committed, there have been no reports of people in Darfur being abducted and held for more than a few weeks.

A court in Khartoum has heard evidence that some 40 women and girls were abducted two years ago from the village of Wadi Saleh by a group of Janjaweed.

One of the militiamen sought a court order to let him legally marry one of the women but after he admitted how they had met, the judge refused his request.

Both the woman and the man said the 40 had been divided up between the raiders as a form of booty.

But the woman has since disappeared.

There is no independent confirmation of the claims but the testimony closely resembles that of some of the southerners who were abducted during raids on their villages and spent years in slavery in the north before returning home following the north-south peace deal.
One of the lawyers now investigating the reports says he has personally met two people who were forced to work for a prominent Janjaweed leader for six months, before another member of the militia helped them escape.

One reason why there seems to be less slavery in Darfur could be religion.
Both Darfur and south Sudan are mostly inhabited by black Africans but southerners are mostly Christian and animist, while Darfuris are generally Muslim, like the Arabs who have traditionally dominated Sudan.

Forced conversion seemed to be one motivation behind the abduction of southerners - they were mostly given Islamic names and told they were now Muslim.

One group of abductors was known as the Muhajadeen [Islamic holy warriors].
But this justification cannot be used in Darfur.
``Muslims are strictly forbidden to enslave fellow Muslims,`` the lawyer said.
While they proceed with their investigations, the lawyers are extremely concerned for their safety.

The Hague-based International Criminal Court has already issued an arrest warrant for a top Sudanese official over the conflict in Darfur - and says it is investigating others.
As a result, anyone seen asking questions about possible war crimes such as enslavement would be seen as a potential ICC spy, the lawyers fear.

RE - # 148 and # 149 masadi


http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=NjIzNzQ0MDk5

Slavery `still exists` in Mauritania

Published Date: March 22, 2007

NOUAKCHOTT: They do not wear chains, nor are they branded with the mark of their masters, but slaves still exist in Mauritania. In the Saharan Islamic state, a centuries-old system of bondage is resisting the rise of democracy in the largely desert former French colony. Herding camels or goats out in the sun-blasted dunes of the Sahara, or serving hot mint tea to guests in the richly carpeted villas of Nouakchott, Mauritanian slaves serve their masters and are passed on as family chattels from generation to generation. They may number thousands, anti-slavery activists say. A shocking anomaly in the 21st century, this is widely accepted in a racially diverse, hierarchical society dominated by a Moorish elite and a brand of Islam that preaches submission. ``It`s like having sheep or goats. If a woman is a slave, her descendants are slaves,`` said Boubacar Messaoud, who was born a slave and is now his country`s leading anti-slavery campaigner.

He says a 1981 decree outlawing slavery is a dead letter and slavery is alive in Mauritania, with all its manifestations of non-paid work, punishment, forced sex and other abuses. Mauritania`s military rulers, who are handing over to civilian rule in democratic elections, shy away from discussing the issue and prefer to talk of ``vestiges of slavery``. Some members of the light-skinned elite which has traditionally ruled the country deny slavery exists at all. Questions about it can draw anger, mistrust and silence. But anti-slavery campaigners say the master-slave relationship and its social repercussions are branded into the minds of all Mauritanians, just as class-consciousness still haunts social discourse in Britain and other European states. ``There is slavery in our country, in all of our society. You need laws to eliminate it. The fact people try to hide what exists just complicates things,`` said Messaoud Ould Boulkheir, a black Mauritanian and descendant of slaves. ``It doesn`t have to have chains to be there,`` added Boulkheir, who ran for the presidency in an election this month, finishing fourth out of 19 candidates.

`Born a slave`

In Nouakchott`s sprawling, dirt-poor slums, most of whose inhabitants are black, the testimonies about enduring slavery are repeated, and heartfelt. ``Yes, it`s true,`` said Abdarahman Ould Mohamed Abd, 52, a street vendor sitting outside his ramshackle hut. ``In the interior of the country, it`s the worst. You see it in the way some people treat others. Sometimes, they (the masters) have even killed children,`` he added. His own surname means ``son of Mohamed Slave`` as ``Abd`` is the Arabic word for slave. ``It comes from a long way back. But it should end,`` he said. Anti-slavery groups, such as SOS-Slaves run by Messaoud, say the fear and secrecy cloaking the issue make it difficult to bring cases of slavery to light, let alone to court. But victims periodically surface, such as Matalla, a black Mauritanian who two years ago escaped from members of a Berber warrior tribe, the Reguibat. They were holding him and his family in the isolated deserts of northeast Mauritania. ``I was born a slave. All my family, all my ancestors were slaves of that group.
My aunt, my brothers are still slaves with them,`` he said with lowered gaze. He told Reuters he herded camels for his masters, ate only leftovers from their table and suffered occasional beatings. ``I have a scar here,`` he said, pointing to his right cheekbone, ``from where they hit me with a stick``. Asked how many slaves his masters had he answered: ``There are more than can be counted``. Anti-slavery activists say it is impossible to tell how many people remain enslaved in Mauritania, a mineral-rich country twice the size of France whose 3 million population mixes white and black Moors and black Mauritanians of several ethnic groups. Diplomats in Nouakchott say the outgoing junta declined an offer from the European Union to fund an investigative study. ``It`s probably fairly widespread. In the houses of the Moors, you see young black boys serving tea. I don`t know what their work contracts are but I would not like to have theirs,`` said one diplomat, who asked not to be named. He said Mauritania`s new president, to be elected in a March 25 run-off between two white Moor frontrunners, would have to tackle slavery and enduring social and racial inequality: ``It`s at the heart of this country`s imbalances.`` Historians say slavery developed in Mauritania from the 7th century, when Arab invaders pushed south into Sub-Saharan Africa, bringing their Islamic religion which explicitly allowed the enslavement of non-believers.

This blossomed into a Trans-Saharan Slave Trade that captured black Africans several centuries before the peak of the European-run Atlantic Slave Trade. Some historians argue the practice of slavery already existed in black Africa. This religious sanctioning of slavery and the establishment of Arabicised Berber ruling castes whose wealth was partially based on it-has marked Mauritanian society. ``There is a racial policy here. It`s the politics of domination,`` said Boulkheir, adding that Islamic law and succession rights guaranteed the perpetuation of slavery, passing on ownership from master to son. He said the 1981 ban ``doesn`t exist`` in practice. ``It gives the right of compensation to the master,`` he added. ``The state has never prosecuted anyone. We need a law that criminalises slavery,`` Messaoud said. The activists said they had asked the outgoing junta head, Col Ely Ould Mohamed Vall, to include a prohibition of slavery in the constitution, but he rejected the idea. Slavery was so engrained in Mauritania`s society that it had even crossed racial and social barriers, they said. ``There are white slaves. There are blacks with black slaves. There are even freed slaves who have slaves,`` Boulkheir said. He said many Mauritanians remained ``slaves in their heads`` even after freedom. Asked if he forgave his former masters, Matalla shook his head: ``No they are bad people.`` - Reuters

Re # 148 and # 149 masadi

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L22184525.htm

FACTBOX-Muslim Mauritania straddles black and Arab Africa
22 Mar 2007 14:54:20 GMT
Source: Reuters

March 22 (Reuters) - Voters choose between one of Mauritania`s most experienced economists and a veteran opposition icon in a presidential run-off on Sunday.

Hailed as the freest elections ever held in Mauritania, the polls pit frontrunner Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi against veteran opposition campaigner Ahmed Ould Daddah.

The winner will take over from a military junta which seized power in a bloodless coup in 2005.
Here are some key facts about Mauritania:

• THE COUNTRY:
•
GEOGRAPHY: Most of Mauritania is desert. At 1,025,220 sq km (395,800 sq miles), it is almost twice as big as former colonial power France, but has little more than 800 km (500 miles) of paved roads.

POPULATION: Almost all Mauritania`s 3.1 million people are Muslims and it is officially an Islamic republic. Light-skinned Moors have dominated government since independence in 1960.

Black Africans and Moors each make up around 30 percent of the population, with the remainder of mixed descent, according to the CIA World Factbook.

ECONOMY: Main products are fish, livestock and iron ore, although offshore oil reserves promise to revolutionise the economy.

According to a World Food Programme study, 165,000 people, or 9 percent of the population, depend on humanitarian assistance to survive through the toughest months of the year.
• WHAT HAS HAPPENED:

November 1960 - Mauritania becomes independent from France as the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, with Moktar Ould Daddah as president.

1975 - Mauritania is declared an Islamic Socialist Republic.

Dec. 1984 - After a number of coup attempts in Mauritania, Maaouya Ould Sid`Ahmed Taya seizes power and proclaims himself president. Almost two years later, Taya imposes sharia law.

Jan. 1992 - Taya is elected president with nearly 63 percent of the vote under a new 1991
constitution permitting multiple political parties, but opposition candidates denounce victory as fraudulent. Taya is re-elected in 1997 and 2003 after another coup attempt in June that year.

Aug. 2005 - Mauritania`s army seizes power to end what it calls the ``totalitarian`` regime of Taya, while he is out of the country, and says it plans to rule for up to two years. In November, the 17-member junta pledges to hold presidential elections in March 2007, five months ahead of schedule.

June 2006 - Voters overwhelmingly back constitutional changes ensuring no president can serve for more than a decade.

Dec. 3, 2006 - After a second round of voting in parliamentary elections which completed the results of the Nov. 19 first round, the opposition Coalition for Change emerges with 41 seats in the 95-seat National Assembly. The new parliament will only sit after Sunday`s presidential elections.

Jan. 21, 2007 - Elections are held for the 56-seat Senate, with independent candidates without party affiliation gaining 23 of the Senate seats. The coalition allies barely scrape 10 seats between them.

Mar. 11, 2007 - An inconclusive presidential first round election is run with no candidate securing a majority.

Utterly & completely respected Masadi,

Most kindly refer to your idiotic posts #148, #149 etc.

We acknowledge your claim that you are not totally retarded. It is probably true.However, we strongly contest your claim of being a ``Genius Masadi``. Otherwise the US college would not have rejected all your pleadings and kicked you out in favour of someone who was actually literate. Now that you are back in Pakistan, stop cursing your erstwhile Gora masters who discovered your ``true colours``(you are cloured, are you not??). Try to work hard at whatever college you are in, else you will be kicked out once again, probably to a place where you really belong.

R_sole, do not ridicule Coach Woolmer`s death. He was a fine cricketer who tried very sincerely to help our cricket.

BTW, How is everyone in Lululand????

enjoy this one

Don`t know who will win the cup....... just sharing an Interesting stat
I received:

Year 1981

1. Prince Charles got married
2. Liverpool crowned Champions of Europe
3. Australia lost the Ashes
4. Pope Died
5. After 1 year Italy won soccer world cup (1982)
6. 2 years later India won the world Cup!!!(Prevented a WI hat-trick)

Year 2005

1. Prince Charles got married
2. Liverpool crowned Champions of Europe
3. Australia lost the Ashes
4. Pope Died
5. After 1 year Italy won soccer world cup (2006 after 24 years)
6. 2 years later will India win the world Cup ?????(preventing an
Australian Hat-trick)

Lies...damn lies...and hopes

re. rajiv:

``I mean not just white americans but all goras are terrrified of PAkistan..well almost all.``

Yes. Until they actually spend some time here.
Dude, I live in Karachi. In my little totally locally-run school there are two gora teachers and three gora students. None of them have consular attachments. They`re aware of some dangers they face, but are attracted by the many charms of the city/country.

``Bob mustve been a courageous guy..``

Dude, don`t forget that the opportunity to coach a talented outfit like Pakistan is probably every coach`s wet dream-- or at least that of every coach who isn`t `terrified` by the picture painted by most of the Western media of Pakistan. And the moola, I`m sure, wasn`t too bad either.

Re: # 155

PM,

My point exactly.I am a dilliwalla.In the eighties, every street corner bristled with guns and whatnot as there was the Sikh problem.My family was 5 minutes away from Sarojini Nagar Market before Diwali in 2005 when Bombs went off...I was in Hong Kong,not knowing what the hell was happening.When I called my wife she said``Itna Pareshaan Kyon ho?``-Meaning ``why are you so worried?``

FYI..was tensely waiting with a Pakistani friend when a series of Bombs went off in Karachi...and his entire family was sacttered..wife out shopping, son in college,daughters in classes..we were in Tunisia.He got through to his Begum and guess what she said?You guessed it``Itna Pareshaan Kyon HO??``

Did we move from Delhi?No.I said Goras are scared.I wouldnt be...As I am sure the Goras who now live there are not...Am sure from all accounts Karachi is just like Mumbai,and Lahore is just like Delhi(BTWin Bombay, my brother missed the commuter train by a whisker before the bombs went off)...last July the city was submerged..did Mumbai stop?Not a chance

This is the Subcontinent..love it or hate it,its home..and I discovered that after nearly two decades of mostly living away from India...


As for Pakistan`s talent..whoever denies it,man.But Only the great Imran ever welded a Team together:Even the great miandad couldnt...and as for the stylish Zaheer he couldnt do a thing either.

Maybe Pak needs to turn to someone of the Old School like Intikhab Alam who just coached the Punjab Ranji team.

It will happen again.Pak will rise.No worries,mate

re. retard ``By the way, the Pakistani cricketers who claim that Woolmer was like a ``father`` to them ( as did many slaves during the slavery era in the US) does not disprove what I write.``

No dimwit, it doesn`t! ONE cannot conclusively PROVE attitudes any more than you your sanity. Unfortunately.

But there`s this little thing called Probable Cause. Heard of it? See how your theses start to wither on these grounds once the players` own words are matched against contrary contentions-- which, to date, are only the rants of a delusional, chip-on-shoulder retard on this website.

re. retard who writes: ``Perhaps PM is unaware of the derogatory term ``boy`` used for African Americans by their slave masters and the assertion of every white bigot that his or her best friend is ``black``.... Learn something PM rather than call others retards based on BS``

Ahh yes... the two great Pathans, no less, attributing paternal qualities to Woolmer are, of course, unwitting agents of the Colonialism Perpetuation Movement, taught to bend over backwards (and otherwise) before white skin, unable after 60 years of independence to shake off the attitudes of inferirority (which, in fact, explains the team`s poor showing against White Ireland-- intimidated as they were by not only the Irish but the Ghost of St Patrick`s that day!).

It couldn`t possibly be that Woolmer was a great guy, because Masadi doesn`t think that possible. (Hello? Heard of Occam`s Razor, Mr two-bit philosopher?)

Wah!! Masadi MiaN... your PoMo-style takes on events would put Saminasha to shame.

And THAT, my friend, is a shame as great as any! :-)

#141 PM {``Fancy a (West) Pakistani pontificating on the issue of racism! :-) ``}

PM,
Paki Punju Paindoos are white ``Sons of Alexander`` trapped in dark-pigmented Indian skins.

rajiv << I suspect Masadi is in some Ivy League campus experiencing radicalisation as a SouthAsian or person of colour after escaping Feudal Pakistan...grin grin >>>

Rather Masadi is a public university attending non-radical (depends on who views him, to the US elite worshippers he is a radical) pragmatic sociologist who remains true to the field`s classical roots and values of truth, reason and freedom, who escaped Feudal Pakistan, only to return back to it recently. Who is often abused on chowk, but the abusers have absolutely no clue why they are trying to abuse him, except that he might be guilty of blasphemy against their unconditional love for all things western, which they attribute to reason but which is the projection of the agenda of the US power elite, the most anti-human, inhumane bunch in the history of humanity...

Re: # 151

Masadi,

my man.Sorry to presume too much.But you are way too intense and serious about too much.Relax,loosen up....listen to the immortal Nusrat Fatehally Khan Saab...or Junoon or the rolling stones.

Just Chill....

PM ,you bright lad,also do likewise;-)

By the way, the Pakistani cricketers who claim that Woolmer was like a ``father`` to them ( as did many slaves during the slavery era in the US) does not disprove what I write. On the contrary even if Woolmer had said that those cricketers were like his ``children``, that wouldn`t prove much as well. Perhaps PM is unaware of the derogatory term ``boy`` used for African Americans by their slave masters and the assertion of every white bigot that his or her best friend is ``black``.... Learn something PM rather than call others retards based on BS

PM writes <<< ``Retarded masadi dthe cause (not motive) of Woolmer`s stress to be related to his support of the white supremist agenda`` >>>

Wrong once again. Rather

(Genius) masadi (totally not retarded) suggests that it is more probable that Woolmer`s stress (if he died of stress related heart attack) was caused by his fear of totally losing everything that describes his life in a status bound society, that of his position in the career sphere, RATHER THAN the assertion that his stress was caused by love for the Pakistani cricket team or the nation of Pakistan, because (what makes it improbable is) historically and currently as objective fact, the white male has been socialized into not worrying too much over even the wholesale destruction of inferior dark skinned creatures ( or aliens, whichever term they prefer for them).

t`s only a game

Sambit Bal

March 22, 2007



`If a game starts taking lives, there is something sickeningly wrong with it` © Getty Images

We don`t yet know for sure why or how Bob Woolmer died. We shouldn`t rush to judgment; it is still possible that it was an accident. It is equally possible he was murdered. And, while conspiracy theorists are working overtime on the motives, it is also quite possible that we will never know the full truth.

And in the event of this not being an accident, it is quite likely that Woolmer was a victim of cricket`s seamier side. Either it was the stress, induced by the most obscene and blind expectations of cricket fans who brook no failure, or he was killed by people who felt let down or had something to fear.

Either way, it should serve as a wake-up call to those who run cricket, and those who profess passion for it. If a game starts taking lives, there is something sickeningly wrong with it. But this is not really about Woolmer. We didn`t need someone to die to awaken us to a problem. The signs have always been there, it`s just that most of us have found it expedient to ignore them. Commodification has been chipping away at the soul of cricket for years, and now the game is the danger of losing its head.

Take the current predicament of this World Cup as an example. The major stake-holders in the tournament - the television channels and major sponsors - risk losing millions, either in cash or kind, if India go out in the first round. They are not the number one team in the world by a mile. Not even number two. They are ranked sixth in the ICC team ratings and, while that might not always be the best indicator of a team`s worth, they have not won a competition of note outside the subcontinent since 1985. Yet the fate of the World Cup rides on them. It`s a disaster waiting to happen.

Cricket has acquired a dangerous obsession with money, to the extent where it is not a question of a game needing the money to survive or grow but making as much as possible at any cost.

The reason for this is not hard to comprehend. Cricket has acquired a dangerous obsession with money, to the extent where it is not a question of a game needing the money to survive or grow but making as much as possible at any cost. Players have been ground to dust and cricket, the one-day variety in particular, has been divested of any meaning and consequence. It would seem that the administrators have learnt very little from the match-fixing scandal, which was as much a result of greed as of a surfeit of matches that meant little to the players.

Meanwhile, the Indian administrators have managed to market a massive captive television audience to acquire financial muscle that relies little on the capabilities of the national team. As a result the cricket economy has gone ahead of the game, which is struggling to catch up.

It`s an economy that relies more on projection and hype than reality. SetMax, the entertainment channel owned by Sony, paid nearly 40 % of the total cost of the ICC rights in the hope of recouping it from advertisers. Luckily for them, India made it to the final of the last World Cup and one Champions Trophy. But that was clearly not enough and Sony didn`t even bother to bid for the next set of rights, which have been won by ESPN-Star for US $1.1 billion.

ESPN-Star is a joint venture between Disney and NewsCorp, but there is little doubt which television audience they are banking on. It is an unhealthy dependence. So much should never depend on the performance of one team. Apart from putting unfair pressure on the players, it leaves the cricket economy dangerously imbalanced and prone to huge risks.

The passion of the fans is the biggest strength of cricket in the sub-continent - but it is also its weakness, particularly in case of India and Pakistan. Sri Lankan fans are far more stoic about their team`s fortunes and far more accepting of failure, whereas in Bangladesh they are grateful for every little or big victory, be that of the team or individual. But in India and Pakistan, the passion borders on frenzy.
As an Indian, I would like India to win the World Cup. But it might not be such a bad thing for cricket if they were to be knocked out in the first round

In India it is brazenly and cynically fueled by an increasingly sensationalist and populist mass media, which treats cricket as one of the biggest baits to attract advertisers. Instead of providing perspective and being the voice of reason, the media feeds the frenzy and cashes in on it. Stars are built up and decimated. Exaggerated glorification is matched by proportionate vilification. So cricketers are either to be worshipped or denigrated. There isn`t a middle ground, a measure of reality, or a sense of proportion.

The reality is that India reaching the World Cup would be an overachievement. Australia and South Africa possess superior teams, New Zealand have more balance and depth and Sri Lanka are the most improved team in world cricket. India have proven, but ageing, batsmen, a bowling attack that`s susceptible to pressure and poor fielders. To be a fan is to dream. But to many Indian fans the dream is the reality.

Nationalism is the bedrock of cricket. But you can`t call yourself a true fan if the sight of 17-year old Tamim Iqbal charging down pitch to belt Indian quick bowlers brought you no thrill. Yes, India played below themselves, but every cricket match has a winner. To be unable to comprehend, and appreciate, this runs against the spirit of the game.

Yes, India not making past the first round would be a huge setback. But it would be accorded the status of a national calamity. It will be discussed in Parliament. Television channels will conduct inquests. Effigies will be burnt, cricketers` homes will be attacked, and these will be gleefully publicised. A couple of months ago, Greg Chappell was slapped on the back by a man in Bhubaneswar seeking his fifteen seconds of fame. He was obliged. It could get worse. Someone could get killed. Perhaps someone has already been killed.

As an Indian, I would like India to win the World Cup. But it might not be such a bad thing for cricket if they were to be knocked out in the first round. Cricket needs a reality check. It has an unhealthy, and unsustainable, business model that relies primarily on an increasingly delusional and one-dimensional fan-base. The bubble has to burst for a semblance of sanity to be restored. We must learn to once again enjoy cricket as a game.

Sambit Bal is the editor of Cricinfo and Cricinfo Magazine

Re: # 147

Ahhhh Yes, Bangladesh brought such a thrill by beating India..before reverting to type and getting walloped by SL.

Sambit Bal is right.It wouldnt be a bad thing if India too got knocked out.

If Jaggu Dalmiya was in charge , we would have had a friendship series between India and Pakistan in Morocco or something,(now that both teams are free!!) with ideal prime time timings for TV.And millions of nitwits will still watch...wah wah,kya fiendship hai

This damned Hype should stop.Maybe we should get back to Kabaddi,Khushthi,Gilli danda, Kite flying...and hockey???

re. rajiv`s ``I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.``

I forgot to add that such a POV would require us to believe that the statements from every Pakistani cricketer and his grandma about Woolmer`s extremely warm, even paternal, nature (``he was like a father to me``-- Afridi and Yunis) were either fabricated by the press/tv-editors or merely another example of brown obsequiousness before the white man.

I know of at least one retard here on chowk willing to subscribe to the latter theory.

Re: # 143

Further to below:

I mean not just white americans but all goras are terrrified of PAkistan..well almost all.

Bob mustve been a courageous guy..and dont forget he was a Hindoostani by birth(Kanpur) and his dad played Ranji trophy for UP.

Was just trying to play devils advocate ..maybe i`ll let that pass.Too much ``sympathy for the devil``(Rolling stones-circla 1967)...

Re: # 145

Dear Rajiv

You seem to be classic wishy washy fence sitter...they say if you sit long enough on a fence, eventually the spikes go up your ass...

Shezadaaa!!
Which internet are you on? I read #136 and got a completely different message from the one you seem to have got.

rajiv: Supremacist. Thanks!

Fancy a (West) Pakistani pontificating on the issue of racism! :-)

#136 (Thumbs-up vala ikaan insert kareiN!)

re. rajiv2303:

``I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.``

That requires us to assume that Woolmer would have reason to believe that his reputation as a coach would be devalued in the eyes of prospective employers. Only those ignorant of Pakistani players` legendary inconsistency, or of their recent performances in the Windies, England and even S.Africa, or indeed of their history of links to the Lahore bookies` syndicate, could come up with such a well.. retarded contention. :-)

Woolmer`s stint with S.Africa sealed his reputation as one of the best, if not the best man for the job. And, just to indicate how Pakistan coaches are not to be judged by the performance of the team in merely one tournament, guess who is being fingered as our next coach? (Hint: World Cup 2003, where we also exited in the first round.)

Re: # 140

PM;am not saying I agree with MAsadis thesis.I dont know if you are calling me a retard but I`ll let that pass ; grin, grin.

I am willing to accept that like any middle aged executive poor old Bob was also worried about his job.

If Bob was such a white boy, he would have never dared to come to Pakistan whose very mention scares the bejesus out of all or most Americans...thinking it to be acountry overrun by wild eyed radicals beheading journalists or jihadis.

I suspect Masadi is in some Ivy League campus experiencing radicalisation as a SouthAsian or person of colour after escaping Feudal Pakistan...grin grin

Dunno where thsi Baghi came from..supect him to be a fellow shippie whom I might have net in some bar in brazil maybe hahahahaha

Imbecile Masadi:
Occasionally using the wrong word doesn`t make one a retard. (Okay, here`s the correction: ``Retarded masadi dthe cause (not motive) of Woolmer`s stress to be related to his support of the white supremist agenda``
THere! Happier now!?

Oh, btw, correcting the English but skirting around the larger point is not just imbecelic, it`s also patently dishonest... but then, given your history, I doubt that will be a surprsie to anyone.

Re: # 138

sorry pm,it is white supremacist and not supremist

<<< Masadi..its a big wide world and people are just people. >>>

That is where you are quite wrong, the kind of social structure a person conducts his daily life under largely determines the kind of person he or she will become. Unfortunately due to historical precident and later crystallization both within the caucasian countries and their superior-subordinate relationship to the colored world, this kind of race bigotry among white males has become an automatic even implicit response, even by seemingly decent people. Personal racism of this sort might not be as harmful as what produces it and the results as objective fact in social institutions and the wider global system

Re: # 135

Well MAsadi -san,

THe white /caucasian world will now shiver at the prospect of the rebirth of the Middle Kingdom and the Yellow Peril.(not to mention some muscle flexing from little old India as well in the economic sphere).

Maybe us subcontinentals should ourselves examine our Colour,caste and class biases...

In India its not just the Hindoos or Hinjews (as the recently banned zeemax is so fond of saying)

An Ashrafi Muslim will not marry say, an Ansari..A Jat Sikh will never marry a Majhabi sikh...

A Sunni will not marry a Shia..In Catholic Goa a Brahman Christian will not amrry a fisher community Christian.

I met a Nigerian student on a train in India.He was affable and friendly,conversing in English and Hindi...and I asked him about Race.He said ,after the first year being called a ``Kalloo`` didnt matter and he did make friends ...he said you Indians are really very racist,you know,but with a smile,which forgave all.

The hell with narrow mindedness.Its upto us to change this.

Re: # 136

Rajiv 2303,

Your incredible naivete makes me smile:-)

Obviously all that roistering about in various bars around the world and the endless sea makes you think of the whole world as one big happy family.

sorry pal.Its not.Its Polarised.

Masadi saheb,

Latest evidence suggests that the death may neither be heart failure, caused by health problems or psyhcological disturbance, but outright murder.

Regards

Retard PM writes<<< but the imbecilic attempt to induce the `truth` about a particular individual`s motives from that general statement. Some retards see humans first and last by their skin colour (and then accuse others of committing the same sin!) >>>

Actually I was not talking about motive at all, a heart attack does not occur due to ``motive`` of the victim. I was merely offering an alternative (more probable) cause of his stress (related to his economic and status future) than community love of the Pakistani people or the Pakistani cricket team. It is your responsibility in order to prove me wrong to give examples of either cases or aggregate stats that the white man (who scores high on all measures of prejudice as objective fact and in history) died for love of the people he considers his inferiors.

Retard PM, you claim to be a logician but don`t understand the language in which you are trying to phrase your (il-)logic

Re: # 132

Masadi,

I see your point.What you are simply saying is that the man may have died worrying about his future prospects;rather than any serious emotional attachments to PAkistan and its team.

Where you probably blew it was bringing race into the picture...Maybe you can illustrate with examples from personal expereince??
I have travelled the world....I got called a Paki &8^% by a bunch of drunk English kids on a bus in UK and I quietly got off...my fellow Asian Passengers looked impassively on.

In crowded Trams in Boston,USA,City of Universities by the dozen, no white person would sit next to me even if the seat was vacant..

But also complete strangers (Caucasians) have been very kind.

I worked with a bunch of Srilankans at the height of the tensions in Srilanka and never had a problem..

Have been lost in Black Harlem in New York city and very kindly helped to cab buy a mean looking bloke about as big and tall as a barn.

Masadi..its a big wide world and people are just people.

I mean it.Am a mariner and have circumnavigated the globe several times.

Tahmed sahib,

(So, the waziris finally get see the true colors of the middle east/central asian thugs they were giving shelter too. )

But what exactly did the Uzbeks do which raised the hackles of the waziris. Flirt with the local boys?

Regards

CricInfo`s caption says it all: And he gets a big standing ovation; each Zimbabwe player jogs over to shake his hand. And as he raises his bat, his Pakistan side all come down to greet their captain who, by now, is in tears. He takes his helmet off, acknowledges the crowd while wiping the tears dry. And 15 years ago today, Inzamam scored 60 off 37 balls to help Pakistan win the World Cup semi-final against New Zealand

-Farewell Inzi bhai! We`ll always love you! Allah aap ko salaamat rakhe aur apne Habib ki ziyarat naseeb farmaaye! ameen!

Re: # 127

Farewell to the Sultan of Multan...as great as Lara,Sachin,Ponting

The tears were very sad to see.

#122 arjun {``you pakis need to get your delusions in order....either you`re all fair skinned(cough cough) or you are dark skinned and persecuted by the white man....``}

Arjun Bhai,
I don`t blame you for being so confused. After all, the PPPs on Chowk try to impress the Injuns (but not themselves) about their lack of melanin. But, just look at the mostly PPP Paki cricket team and ``voila, tout les Paki sont noirs! ``

malik99:
You really don`t have to be a genius to see that what annoyed most interactors in #63 wasn`t the general statement about race, which may or may not be true; but the imbecilic attempt to induce the `truth` about a particular individual`s motives from that general statement. Some retards see humans first and last by their skin colour (and then accuse others of committing the same sin!)
And, by the way, there was no reference there to our (coloured) folks` attitudes towards the white man, so that couldn`t really be the point, as you suggest it is, that RetardedMasadi was trying to make.

Interestingly enough a Pakistani acquaintance mentioned the following points

Some Pakistani cricketers were past their prime and the world cup was to be the last game for them. They were eager to make a monetary killing and they had links with bookies. Despite ICC`s protest Mushtaq was brought as assistant coach apparently on Inzamam`s urging.
It seems that previously Yousaf, Inzamam, Mushtaq and have been involved in match fixing There is some form of syndicate in Lahore that has very close links with most cricketers.
There are suspicions that they conspired to lose a match to Bangladesh in 1999.

This is not too far from Indian cricket where people have been accused and banned for taking bribes. Even Marlon Samuels was accused by the Indian Police of having illegal contacts with a bookmaker.

Is this world cup also being rigged?

So, the waziris finally get see the true colors of the middle east/central asian thugs they were giving shelter too. It is said that a fool will do what the wise man will do - but only at a much later date.

Urstruly (who has been forever ranting against the pakistan army for going after these thugs): Any comments?

100 Dead in Militant Clashes in Pakistan - nyt

excerpts:

PESHAWAR, Pakistan, March 21 — More than 100 people have been killed in fierce fighting in the past three days between foreign militants and local tribesmen in northern Pakistan, security officials said today.

As of early this morning, the death toll had risen to 78 militants from Uzbekistan and 28 tribes people. About 67 Uzbek militants were captured by tribes people and local militants in the tribal region, the officials said.

The fighting, in the restive South Waziristan region, could signal a breakdown in relations between local tribal leaders and the Central Asian and Arab militants who had sought shelter in the tribal region near the Afghanistan border after United States forces routed the Taliban from Afghanistan in 2001...

#104 by masadi on March 21, 2007 3:09am PT

you pakis need to get your delusions in order....either you`re all fair skinned(cough cough) or you are dark skinned and persecuted by the white man....

#113 by malik99 on March 21, 2007 4:11am PT


How else would you explain the fact that Indonesians and other Asians are routinely put to death for smuggling drugs in Indonesia, yet white Australians


goatbrain...people get judged not by the color of their skin but by the contents of their wallets...

Wear your Poriot hat and help us out here, Zarrar. PCB has announced Mushtaq Ahmed as stand-in coach. Are you accusing Mushy of poisoning Woolmer??

malik: as for Australians being ``notorious`` for bringing drugs to vacation spots like bali - where did you learn about this? I never heard about this ``notoriety`` and I have been to Indonesia many times - if anything, it is the Australians and other ``goras`` who are doing in Indonesia what the desi babus do in the sub-continent (serve as the white caller workers).

Also, having been to bali, as I recall the only thing that the Indonesian government official I went with was interested in was the Australian women on the bali beach who were minding their own business sunbathing. When I realized that this government official had chosen to take a walk on the beach not merely as a short break from the official work that had brought us there, but to oggle female tourists, it was sufficiently embarassing for me to literally drag him away from the beach and back to work.

malik: you ask ``How else would you explain the fact that Indonesians and other Asians are routinely put to death for smuggling drugs in Indonesia, yet white Australians, who are notorious for bringing drugs to vacation spots like Bali, have never been put to death?``

Let me provide you with the obvious answer - because when an Australian is put on death row, the Australian government takes it up as a major issue. The Australian press makes it a major issue. When a Pakistani is put on death row, the Pakistan government is too busy to take notice. The Pakistani press may at best report the execution after the fact (as is done in in case of beheadings of Pakistanis in saudi arabia).

And while we are at it...this painful over reaction to defeat in sport is also so damned similiar

Ok the boys in green had a bad day.

Didnt hear anybody cribbing when they beat India in Bangalore...and not so long ago

Rajiv Sahib - Let me clarify - my post # 113 should not be taken as if I am trivializing the death of coach Woolmer. This death is tragic and shocking given the circumstances, regardless of whether the coach was white, black or brown.

I was just stating some facts that seem to back Masadi`s ``outrageous`` post about our mental conditioning which registers white death more profoundly than the colored death.

Re: # 115
Mallik Saab ,woh tho hai.The knee jerk colonial subservience.BTW, Am A Mariner, and in my profession have had Colleagues from PAkistan,Bangladesh,Sri LAnka...

The most fun I had was with A Captain and a Chief Engineer from Pakistan on a broken down ship under repair of all the places in Tunisia.I was the Superintendent in charge of that ship..

I dont want to sentimentalise this issue of common culture etc, but the Captain`s Earthy Punjabi jokes made a mockery of the MacMohan line..i`ve never laughed so much in my life

and like it or not...we are more similiar than we`ll ever be different.

I don`t understand all this outrage regarding Masadi`s post # 63. He has stated an uncomfortable truth. And facts support his underlying thesis – that white life is deemed far more precious than colored. I am not saying it is good or bad (maybe its good for the world that whites are protected), but that’s the way it is.

How else would you explain the fact that Indonesians and other Asians are routinely put to death for smuggling drugs in Indonesia, yet white Australians, who are notorious for bringing drugs to vacation spots like Bali, have never been put to death? And when as a judicial procedure Australians do get a meek jail sentence, no less than Australian PM questions the very fairness of Indonesian judicial system, which results in quick release for Australian drug smugglers?

How else can you explain the fact that for the same crime in america, a black man is more likely to draw a harsher sentence than a white man?

Why is it that when black Zimbabweans evict white farmers, the whole world rises in uproar, yet no one seems to be questioning how these white farmers came about owning such vast land holdings in black Africa in first place?

How else can you explain the fact that when it comes to death counts of colored people in everyday killings resulting from white incursions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, we only know the round number, like ``20 dead``, ``50 dead``, ``200 dead``? Is it because colored people only die in round numbers? Or is it that we cant be bothered with counting exact number of their dead?

Re: # 113

Dear Mallik99 Sahib,

Your take on racial profiling,discrimination, prejudice is not incorrect but thats a global take on a modern day sporting tragedy:however I respectfully beg to differ to state the MAsadi`s take on Bob Woolmer`s death is in any way connected with the discourse of race...

And PM has posted the ``suspicious death `` message 4 times...Let the truth emerge.

And simply let a bereaved family cope with this loss.

Poison Traces Found In Deceased Pakistan Coach Bob Woolmer’s Hotel Room: Jamaican Police

Jamaican Police on Wednesday confirmed that poison traces have been found in deceased Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer’s hotel room. The information lends credence to the apprehensions that the Pakistan coach was murdered. Woolmer`s preliminary post-mortem report on Tuesday had proved inconclusive. Toxicology and other forensic tests were carried out by the medical and police teams.

Jamaican Police Sources Confirm That Deceased Pakistan Coach Bob Woolmer Did Not Die A Natural Death

Senior sources in the Jamaican police on Tuesday confirmed that the deceased Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer did not die a natural death and in fact may have been poisoned or murdered.

Jamaican Police Sources Confirm That Deceased Pakistan Coach Bob Woolmer Did Not Die A Natural Death

Senior sources in the Jamaican police on Tuesday confirmed that the deceased Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer did not die a natural death and in fact may have been poisoned or murdered.

LAUGH OF THE DAY

masadi writes:
``Shame on you all for condemning obvious facts by sloganeering and for others for not understanding simple english.``

!!!

re. masadi #whatever: ``So you want to tell me that that person ``died`` for Pakistan when his kind whom he would support at all cost in the case of war or invasion have killed dark skinned people as if they were cockroaches?`` (emphasis added)

Masadi Logic 101

Major Premise: Coloured men have been subjugated by white men. (Never mind that they were also done over by their own, coloured kind)

Minor Premise: Bob Woolmer was a white man.

Conlcusion: Bob Woolmer would support at all cost a perpetuation of that subjugation.

Q.E.D!

---

At least we know just how much import I should give to the rants of this joker now.

#96 by harimau,

Being a gora is not a sin. Being a horrible hindoo is :)

Besides, I don`t remember if woolmer ever blasphemed, or committed adultry (though that`s not actually included in my list of stone targets), or asked stupid questions about the Koran when the sole purpose of the questions was to defame! Quite unlike the hinjews ... :)

Re: # 106

Horrible Hindoo??Hinjew??please....

But Masadi saheb how would we be inferior when he was on our payroll?

james maxwell writes <<< Re: # 63

masadi, you are a disgrace to humanity. >>>

Still better than being considered sub-human as the white man considers darker skinned folk, formalized in the form of written documents as well as practice. Regarding your evaluation, I don`t give it the value I`d give a rat`s fart....and that value is not much

Zeemax writes <<< Yes I`m surprised at Masadi Saheb`s comment as well .. but I will not criticise him out of tremendous respect for him. Maybe he`ll explain when he wishes. >>>

Zeemax mian, it is absolutely amazing to hear the outrage at my explanation for what better explains Woolmer`s cause of stress (not his personality) given how Europeans and most living under a system of organic solidarity are socialized.

These illiterates cannot take any remote insult against their lords, the white man and his system and think it is akin to insulting God. The fact is that human beings though similar organisms with a psychic apparatus are become how a particular social structure molds them, and race superiority is institutionalized into the white psyche especially of white males. So you want to tell me that that person