The Day We Killed Bob Woolmer

Re: # 30

``On GEO, this morning, there was a news item on the Pakistani cricket team`s defeat and people, on the street, were being asked their opinions. There was this man and in Punjabi he said Woolmer`s death was sad because he died in place of a man who should have died!``

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How pathetic is that Geo TV presents all the non-sense before International audiance.

#30 by ferozk,

There was this man and in Punjabi he said Woolmer`s death was sad because he died in place of a man who should have died!

Not to wish death upon anyone, but the fault clearly lies with Inzamam. He was never a good captain. It was clear in his haphazard and untimely bowling changes and field placements. Besides, he is an introvert and never led from the front or inspired his players on the ground with constant prompting like captains are supposed to do. He was a great batsman, but that`s all. He should never have been made captain. This is the bane of Pakistan cricket. Moin Khan was a natural leader and in any case, wicket keepers always make good captains because it doesn`t detract from their concentrating on their main task.

Re: # 20 Urstruly

Lolz...truly, good theory. Great.

#33 dont worry about the audience to the nonsense. worry about the nonsense - e.g. the nonsense involved in a military general firing the CJ, then backing off and pointing fingers at his staff when faced with riots. not to mention the nonsense of generals routinely taking over the government and then staying put until kicked out one way or another.

Re: # 36

achha jee

re: tahmed32 # 36; khuram # 37 amd zeemax # 34

I believe that person who said the quote in Punjabi meant ``shame`` in the sense that Woolmer died from shame and the person, Inzamam, who should have been ashamed by his performance, did not seemed to have been too bothered. I have been thinking about that man and his words all day and I do not think that he wished ill, but I agree that GEO should have clarified the context of his views and at the very least, should have followed strict guidelines in allowing that quote to be aired.

Freedom of press in Pakistan is still too immature to realize what responsibilities come along with freedom of press.

Tahmad sahib, I agree with your observations and to add to it if I may, Pakistani cricket mirrors Pakistani politics in more ways than one; there is no accountability; there is no transparancy of decisions; there is no structure of an organization and everything is Adhoc and there is no owning of individual responsibility, but there is desire for fame and glory at the expense of others.

To rub salts into the wounds, Canada scored 228 runs against England!

Ciao

Re: # 38

``Freedom of press in Pakistan is still too immature to realize what responsibilities come along with freedom of press``.

Very true.

And this applies to posting on message boards also.

#36 by tahmed32

tahmed, surprisingly noone has blamed the tinpot musharraf. After all he`s the chief patron, had first appointed his fauji corp commander successor on top of cricket, then a has-been diplomat of princely persuasions, and then this stupid medical doctor from amrika who had played some cricket in Khyber Medical College. Does noone think that`s where the buck stops?

#38 by ferozk,

Yeah. In fact a girl subordinate in my office said the same thing too. And when she saw the shocked look on my face, she said ``I mean ... doob kar mar jaana chaye tha`` .. so I guess that`s what the TV man meant. But still, Bob Woolmer was a great guy and nothing else is more important than condoling him in a dignified manner.

After the Irish match, Inzimam was fined 90% of his match fees for slow over rate and the rest of the team 20%.

This is just another indicator of how bad things were for Pakistan on St Patricks day.

I was fortunate enough to meet Bob Woolmer, very briefly but found him to be a very poliet and amiable person. After hearing all the interviews from the Akhters, Asifs of the team and other officials, Bob Woolmer passing is a great loss for Pakistan and the cricketing world.

Imran Khan had a very interesting thing to say post match and before Woolmers news, that Inzimam had become all powerful and had stopped listening to anyone else. Woolmer had understood the situation and had taken a backseat waiting for his contract to finish. Sadly, it ended in the most unfortunate manner. May his soul RIP.

Re: # 38

That person may not have any serious ill will. But those words were stupid enough that should not have gone on air. When we directly insult someone and that someone, althought might have been broken in innerself, behaves as if he doesn`t bother, it means that he/ she is having strong nerves. To have strong nerves is a positive quality. To die of defeat, or of any other emotional stress, is a negative quality because it is sign of weak nerves.

We should learn from past happenings and should not try to promote negative attitudes. Death of Bob Woolmer on one side may be the symbol of his intense sense of responsibility that could not be successfully met. On the other side, he should not have died just because of a defeat. It is another thing that then our own nation (through Geo TV) would not let him live with proper peace of mind. If you don`t give peace of mind to performers, how will they perform...???

the poor man probably died bemoaning the moment when he decided to become coach of that bunch of overpaid, overhyped, tossers aka the pakistani cricket team.

about inzi. he is not a good captain but he is a great batsman. he is too nice to be a good captain. pakistanis only understand one language: dandah. so you need someone who will regularly verbally abuse them and kick their useless behinds if you want them to do something. imran khan understood that.

maybe younis khan should be captain. he seems to have the toughness required. he is also from peshawar so if they don`t listen he could ask them to bend over and drop their trousers. after all, a lot of the team are lahoris who are used to that kind of thing.

i hope bob woolmer is given proper respect by the govt of pak. he tried his hardest.

re. khuram (with one `r`)
``Why Woolmer had to favor those beliefs which were not his own...??? Can a relaxed person do it...???``

Yes. I do it all the time. And Woolmer was an educated person, not given to seeing in black and white, as you suggest. Not everyone sees (other) religions as necessarily unfavourable.

re. Zeemax #various: Couldn`t agree with ya more!

re ``Inzamam, who should have been ashamed by his performance, did not seemed to have been too bothered.``

Yeah, but Inzi never seems to express much emotion either way-- win or lose. Like the good Muslim he is, for better or worse, he believes there`s no point in crying over spilt milk, when the spilling was `written`.

I`m not caricaturing anyone or their religion, mind you. Maybe it`s just Inzi`s intrinsic nature (and re-inforced by his religion) to be kinda stoic. Maybe that`s what makes him such a bloody cool customer with bat in hand. And maybe that`s what keeps him from being the kind of captain that Pakistan needs and most of us here want.

#46 by PM

Maybe that`s what makes him such a bloody cool customer with bat in hand. And maybe that`s what keeps him from being the kind of captain that Pakistan needs and most of us here want.

You`re spot on re Inzimam. This analysis is what I could not pinpoint in a previous post.

Re: # 45

Dear, if a person favors others beliefs, it means that either he is under stress or he is really a broad-minded person. And to favor other`s beliefs is included in the belief of broad mindedness. So if a broad minded person favors other beliefs, he actually doesn`t go against his own beliefs. But whoever shall really go against his real (i.e. personal -- not necessarily religious) beliefs, he cannot be relaxed. So if being broad minded person, Woolmer favored others beliefs then he may not be under any stress. I can accept therefore that there may not be any extremist`s pressure on him. I already said that I am not supporter of extremist`s pressure theory.

However, I do not think that a broad minded person can favor unnecessary restrictions because restrictions are opposite to the aim of broad mindedness. If you are a broad minded person, can you stay relaxed under unnecessary restrictions? I think you, being broad minded person, cannot be relaxed then. Because now the situation is against your real beliefs!

Regards!