Is this Pakistan’s Democratic Revolution?

Re: # 245

Who is this Wolpert? Was he a US ambassador to Pakistan like Ryan C. Crocker, who gave to the government a gift far more valuable than anything that it could have asked for. He was reported to have told the press in Islamabad that in his view “Pakistan is a democratic country”. Zoot ki bhi hadd hoti hain!

We should not quote some white scums, who write everything to divide the others so that they can be colonized. I would rather listen to another Gandhi, e.g. Sarhaddd Gandhi, Vinoba or such evolved consciousness and not a firangi Mcaulay who is paid to write. Even if not paid to write a chipmonk on the ground will see and feel a cloud in the sky as a rabbit who is going to help/hurt him. I would rather listen to the eagle to form an opinion about the cloud because eagle lives in the cloud. Moreover, why should I form an opinion ... I must know the nature of the cloud if I want to reach beyond the cloud ... to a higher consciousness. For that I need to be willing to leave the lower consciousness or chipmonkness ... I should lessen my attachments to dogmas, personalities and duality of hate-affection.

Re: # 245

Who is this Wolpert? Is he a US ambassador to Pakistan, Ryan C. Crocker, who gave to the government a gift far more valuable than anything that it could have asked for. He was reported to have told the press in Islamabad that in his view “Pakistan is a democratic country”. Zoot ki bhi hadd hoti hain!

We should not quote some white scums, who write everything to divide the others so that they can be colonized. I would rather listen to another Gandhi, e.g. Sarhaddd Gandhi, Vinoba or such evolved consciousness and not a firangi Mcaulay who is paid to write. Even if not paid to write a chipmonk on the ground will see and feel a cloud in the sky. I would rather listen to the eagle who lives in the cloud.

Re: # 247

rf786,

U gtg to ur own board. We can discuss the MKG`s Mein Kampf there.

Grow up VRV...

Ysser,

Ur effing article is being effed-up from all directions. What r u doin here?

Dear Harish mian,

Wrong again... unless you are an idiot... which you may just be.

1. Stanley Wolpert Page 287 accepts Wavell`s point of view:

Directly quoted out of Wolpert.

On August 21, Wavell informed Pethick Lawrence that “the present estimate” of casualties was 3000 dead and 17,000 injured. Congress was convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League ministry but the Viceroy had as yet seen no “satisfactory evidence to that effect.” The latest estimate of casualties was that “appreciably more Muslims than Hindus were killed”

2. Wikipedia`s article that you quoted is undergoing inquiry by Wikipedia Moderators for quoting biased one sided sources .

3. Margaret Bourke-white`s account had several contradictions which prove that she was biased. In any event her quote that you rely on is inconclusive.


So what is your point. Jinnah gave a call for strike... and Gandhi`s followers butchered Muslims left right and center... so Jinnah is to blame?

Also, the Time magazine quoting Jinnah`s own press says that he was sleeping on the floors anticipating arrest. Stanley Wolpert, Wikipedia (quoting various references), Margaret Bourke White, all say that it was the Muslim League that started the violence, so are you saying all of them conspired against the ah-so-innocent Jinnah? Moron!

#240 by Yasser

The original discussion here was about Gandhi`s crimes against humanity and not about Jinnah.

Aww really? Can you point us ti the ``original discussion`` and where it began?

Unable to defend the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi ...you tried to pin something unsuccessfuly on Jinnah and when I asked you direct questions and quoted some primary sources, you are back to your whining. That is to be expected...

What a pathetic defense of the old crook! If this is the kind of arguments that a lawyer ``employed with the top law firm in Pakistan`` can come up with, one is forced to wonder if the guy is a ``sifarshi`` employee.

Anyone with half an ounce of gray matter would understand that the DAD violence was the result of Jinnah`s call, but apparently it is too much to expect Yasser to understand this, given the fact that his IQ competes with that of the humble animal embedded in his first name. Instead, the fool blames Gandhi for not stopping the violence. This is like trying to kill someone and then blaming the police for not arriving at the crime scene before the murder was committed...LOL!

By the way, I see that you are really trying to run away from this discussion... as you`ve done on every single discussion we`ve had... but the questions still require your response... particularly:

Aww really? So be it, but please let us know how Gandhi comes into the picture because it was Jinnah and his cronies who called for the DAD violence?

Re: # 239
>Harijano ki tatti uthane say harijano kay masail hul nahin hotay...

Yours truly is not Harijan but very close in British decided hierarchy of caste. Gandhi Baba gave method to address social injustice without destroying the society. Influence of Gandhi is there even on Dalit organization. Gandhism will triumph over the imperialism of Naxalbari.

views of another `unelected` person:

http://streams.gandhiserve.org/einstein.html

Mahatma Gandhi`s life achievement stands unique in political history. He has invented a completely new and humane means for the liberation war of an oppressed country, and practised it with greatest energy and devotion. The moral influence he had on the conciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces. Because lasting will only be the work of such statesmen who wake up and strengthen the moral power of their people through their example and educational works.
We may all be happy and grateful that destiny gifted us with such an enlightened contemporary, a role model for the generations to come.

and.....

Respected Mr. Gandhi !
I use the presence of your friend in our home to send you these lines. You have shown through your works, that it is possible to succeed without violence even with those who have not discarded the method of violence. We may hope that your example will spread beyond the borders of your country, and will help to establish an international authority, respected by all, that will take decisions and replace war conflicts.
With sincere admiration,
Yours
A. Einstein.
I hope that I will be able to meet you face to face some day.

and more....

Einstein on Gandhi

I believe that Gandhi`s views were the most enlightened of all the political men in our time.
We should strive to do things in his spirit: not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything you believe is evil.

Re: # 236

The original discussion here was about Gandhi`s crimes against humanity and not about Jinnah.

Unable to defend the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi ...you tried to pin something unsuccessfuly on Jinnah and when I asked you direct questions and quoted some primary sources, you are back to your whining. That is to be expected... you are Harish_hyd after all...

By the way, I see that you are really trying to run away from this discussion... as you`ve done on every single discussion we`ve had... but the questions still require your response... particularly:

Where was the freak Gandhi while his followers butchered Muslims in Calcutta?

Re: # 231

Harijano ki tatti uthane say harijano kay masail hul nahin hotay...

Re: # 232

Ah... atleast Martin Luthar King and Nelson Mandela were better credible examples.... imagine... an unelected American president coming to the Gandhi`s rescue when the discussion is about his racism.

And for Okhla mian, a 69 is anyday better than a BJ, (which is what you`re doing) because you get nothing..LOL!

Folks,

Yasser`s fascination with orifices continues, now he`s after Gandhi`s, which is why the frequent referrences to enema. And the way he continues to bring up CWOG shows that he has no argument left, which is why he is desperately seeking to divert attention from Jinnah`s crimes.

Almost everyone could foresee what Jinnah`s Direct Action Day, except the man himself and his cronies. Were they so stupid that they couldn`t see what ordinary newspaper editors could, or was it a deliberate plan to wreak havoc so the British conceded to their demands? Either way, it doesn`t speak too highly of ailing old crook. The man was either a naive fool or was a bloodthirsty vampire seeking a piece of land to lord over.

And Yaar Folio, fittingly Jinnah`s place is permanently reserved in the dustbins of history, while Gandhi continues to inspire great men like Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, and countless others. That burns up Yasser`s chaddis which is why he resorts to vandalizing websites where he can.

Okhla/Zeemax,

How abt Chinkies in Wanchai are any better than ur own chinky, 99-in-chief?