Is this Pakistan’s Democratic Revolution?

#102 Yasser

Umm sure... that is why you still haven`t responded to my questions on atleast 15 different boards after promising to ``check back`` after your ``vacation``.

But so have you, like the last time when you promised to lookup at least a few dozen names from among the ``tens of thousands of bigshot Paki engineers working for major US companies``. Almost a couple of months later, there isn`t even a squeak from you..LOL!

I call `em as I see `em. Like you said I am best at describing Indians the way they really are.

Thanks for accepting that it is YOU who`s stinking up this place.

No .. looks like he is either an MMA supporter in Peshawar or is one of those hooligans who were protesting danish cartoons..

And your point is?

From Dawn...

Lawyers, politicians hold separate protests


....“We think the lawyers’ movement and the political parties’ campaign against the CJ’s ‘suspension’ should be separated,” senior lawyer Hamid Khan, who is defending Justice Chaudhry with other lawyers before the Supreme Judicial Council (SJC), told Dawn.

He said the lawyers did not want to hold a joint protest with politicians and for that reason they had kept themselves away from the political groups outside the SC building.

The opposition parties were also seen holding separate rallies and public meetings outside the SC. The rally of the People’s Party Parliamentarians (PPP), led by its vice-chairman Yousaf Raza Gillani, reached the SC from the party’s central secretariat. The activists and leaders of the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA), led by Qazi Hussain Ahmed, came from the Parliament Lodges.

The MMA leaders held their rally outside the gate of the SC building. Similarly, the workers and leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz held a separate public meeting under the leadership of party chairman Raja Zafarul Haq.

#101 (add-on)

You think this guy is filing a legal brief?!

Re: # 101

``who are using Gandhiji`s approach to try to make a REAL change.``

Umm... you mean good ole` Fazlurrahman and Qazi Hussain Ahmed of MMA? You`ve got that right. But you see they owe their existence in politics to the mobilisation that Gandhiji brought to them.... it would be downright disloyal of their political and ideological father (couldn`t be their spiritual father because Gandhi was a Hindu)....

Umm sure... that is why you still haven`t responded to my questions on atleast 15 different boards after promising to ``check back`` after your ``vacation``.

``I wasn`t the one who brought up feces, it is your goodself.``

I call `em as I see `em. Like you said I am best at describing Indians the way they really are.

Ama yaar Yasser, I strongly advice you to stay on the highway!

Yesterday BBC, tomorrow...

Who knows?! :)

I doubt those choice superlatives for Gandhiji`s will get you a lot of mileage - especially among the folks who are using Gandhiji`s approach to try to make a REAL change.

#99 by Yasser

aww.... I thought you had run away as usual. But good to see you here trying to stink up the place..

But why would I? After all, I don`t have to visit ``neighboring countries with no GPRS/Internet on IP-related issues``. That is something a certain gentleman here is good at.

And bhai Yasser, I wasn`t the one who brought up feces, it is your goodself.

aww.... I thought you had run away as usual. But good to see you here trying to stink up the place..

Yasser is back to doing what he`s best at: talking about orifices and feces. But why is no one surprised? :))

Pooh Pooh research, Apu-M, various # many more charts/polls etc

All I see are two miserable Indians-without any semblance of a life-unable to get over the stink of the latrine that the world calls India are dependent on some feel good ``charts`` and proving ``Gandhi`s`` great vision of an out of control population growth rate....

Whats that saying about the last refuge of a scounderel... praising the texture of faecal matter in a latrine called India?

Pew research and BJK,

I am not going to comment on what day was set up by who. Clearly you are not a big fan of that inconvenient little thing we call fact.

The difference between a constitutionalist agitating and a gandhian agitating is that the constitutionalist does so as last resort. If you must look for comparisons, Muslim League`s Punjab civil disobedience campaign against Khizer Hayat in spring of 1947 fought on the mall and around the Punjab Assembly is more akin to this movement.

I frankly did not see any similarity between the young lawyer being beaten up for his constitutional rights and the picture of the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi.... but I see similarities below:



Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan, leading lawyer in Pakistan, parliamentarian, Jinnah admirer and chief counsel for Iftikhar Chaudhry 2007




Barrister Mahomed Ali Jinnah, leading lawyer of British India, parliamentarian and chief counsel of Tilak in the Sedition case 1916 (AIR 1916 Bombay 9)

Ref Yasser Latif Hamdani #82

[As far as I know Gandhi ji was celibate beyond producing Devdas and Harilal early on in his life... so really very little...]

Yasser, dear boy, Googling for Gandhi produces the following information:

In May 1883, at the age of 13, Gandhi was married through his parents` arrangements to Kasturba Makhanji (also spelled ``Kasturbai`` or known as ``Ba``). They had four sons: Harilal Gandhi, born in 1888; Manilal Gandhi, born in 1892; Ramdas Gandhi, born in 1897; and Devdas Gandhi, born in 1900.

{``Is this Pakistan’s Democratic Revolution?``}

Aparna,
Well-written and well-intentioned essay, but no coupie doll for you. :) You, and many others, are just making too much out of this blown out of proportion crisis. A couple of lawyers throwing bricks at police in Islamabad and Lahore do not constitute a ``democratic revolution.`` This whole saga appears to be the consequence of an earlier meeting between the two ostracized ex-PMs, Benazir and Besharif. Apparently, they hatched up some scheme to topple the mild-mannered military dictator. Obviously, the booming economy and the substantial funds in the national treasury have once again whetted the appetite of these corrupt ``democrats.`` God help Pakistan and save it from the PPPs.

HE: If you buy this ``reference`` nonsense, then I have a fine beach-front property in Kabul that you would no doubt leap to buy. You dont make up the constitution as you go along.

re: Aparna

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This is not the first time that the executive in Pakistan has gone beyond its writ and tried to ‘punish’ a judge or judiciary for ‘going against his will.’
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Aparna, sending a reference to the Supreme Judicial is well within the executive`s writ under article 209 of the Constitution. Even genuine democracies like UK and US have similar constitutional provisions.

Musharraf`s tenure could end in 2007 but Iftikhar Chaudhry will remain CJ until 2013. It is imperative that Judge Chaudhry answer the 35-point reference against him. A corrupt man running the Supreme Court is worse than a benign dictator running the govt.

Re: # 90 BJK

Interesting point. Mantolives (YLH) is quoted on the BBC website as saying, `Yasser Hamdani: ``I will support the boycott until the issue is resolved```.

How is that different from other Gandhian `unconstitutional` measures such as Non-Cooperation, Satyagraha, Quit India? YLH has lost his marbles on the (Gandhian) issue, and does not even know that his quote is in contradiction of his million+ posts on Chowk on Gandhi. But, you caught him in the act of contradicting himself. His `boycott` is just as `unconstitutional` as any Gandhian tactic.