Façade of Pseudo Feminism

Dear writer

Excellent article so far.

[[[Thus it is no surprise that half cooked theories of pseudo feminism have failed to bring equality to the economical life of women in the Western societies which they deserve the most. There, women still earn less than men for the same amount of work. Neither, feminism has strengthened family orientation of an average Western household. Rather, a misinformed feminist cult has been formed which is exporting its twisted ideas of women independence and using the plight of women in developing countries as a good excuse. ]]

Each and every word of this article reflects the very much truth.

Thanks for exposing these pseudo feminist cults..........

PS:- remember, we do have one or two such pseudos here on chowk.

Good luck

``...underdeveloped parts of the East, where most of the times basic human rights are violated in the guise of acute poverty or sheer social exploitation, women are the prime causality for such social and economic injustices``

Are women the ``causality`` or ``casualty``? Examples like this are unintentionally amusing.

Seriously, this language of this piece is convoluted-author seems to have taken a real beating from the Leila Ahmed chapter ``The Discourse of the Veil`` from her seminal book Women and Gender in Islam. The writer is no Ahmed. I hope he doesnt give up his day job.

http://www.chowk.com/show_interactor_page.cgi?membername=neembu&start=10&end=14&page=3&chapter=1#journal

What is your point? what in your opinion is true feminism, and how do you know?
For all the faults of the West, they have done a better job of making women`s lives less inequal than much of India or Pakistan.

Re: # 3

NB,

Here were the claims I deduced from the convoluted prose of this piece:

1. Democracy that holds all citizens equal regardless of gender and race is ideal.

2. ``Pseudo Feminism`` is based on concepts of female superiority.

3. ``Pseudo Feminism`` exists in scholarship that questions notions of androcentricity in science.

4. ``Pseudo Feminism`` is responsible for the fallacious field of gender, queer and lesbian studies.

5. Equal earning power among men and women make paying dinner bills a stress situation for the author. (Apparently one cannot ask their companion what they would prefer)

6. ``Pseudo Feminism`` now performs as a dominant structural framework in the West-and I don`t know how this claim could be possibly supported-it wasn`t here.

That`s all I could bring myself to suss out.

Re: # 4
Do you know a single person who claims she is better than men by virtue of her gender?I don`t. I honestly think some people imagine these things or attribute them from their own insecurities.
This article reminds me of a really regressive magazine called Women`s Era which used to be popular in India and probably still is. Articles like this show how far we really have to go.

Dear fellows

May be you have not touched upon some hard core femisist literature, though not academic in nature, feminist propaganda and interacted with feminists.

Anyway from your comments I have deducted your intellectual IQs so any effort to explain myself would be quite futile even if i write pages over pages.

But thanks for the feed back and your judgements.

Pseudo feminism (socalled practiced feminism) suffers from exactly the same twisted and superior complexed stuck mind sets which many of you have exposed here. Here I am assuming all of you have lived and stayed long periods of times in the West and not only that u have a rich gender mix company on daily basis out side your household or neighbor hood. As far as Pak or India is concerned, they have always remained copy cats esspecially recently and feminsit activism suffers from total lack of creativity unless some real women issues are not involved.

More than 50% of women in the west are single houshold head and not by chioce but by divorce
not willing to live with there men due to system
that supports them with services lke AFDC ,vocational rehabilitation. food stamps and all taxpayers funded social programes
and if not by themselves

they are alone and empty with no men in there rising of children without male role model

www.498a.org

Dawood -

I am interested in reading your perspective. I guess long time back, I did read a few amusing perspectives by you. Could you please summarize your findings in a paragraph? Some of us do not have the luxury of time to read all interesting titles on Chowk? See, for some of us time is money. Once you do that, I will be willing to take a look. Till then, I am glad you dedicated another article to women.

I am sure they seem to shake your very identity and existence ;)

Take Care.

zahara J,

I always prefer to pay ppl in kind. though i have ceased to claim to be a feminist I still hold on to my aesthetic sense which makes me a big fan of Gods gift to men ``women`` meaning they indeed are a better half of us only if they stop acting like a bunch of monkeys/bitches.Though i wont mind paris hilton act but tht suits her more and many needs to be innovative.

anyway you say time=money

well i have money so now you may have time to consider an offer u wont resist. i am willing to pay you to read my article. And if you are a entertainer as u seem to be, I am even willing to communicate with you on more personal level only if i feel I am being well entertained for a price i am paying.

Now donot go on thinking anything negative fr what i say as i say all in simplicity. But i am sure you still would.

but thanks for even considerring to ever comment on some drivel i write. much appreciated. i don`t know you but you seem to know something from me and tht is much recognition to get happy n gay.

Dawood - I do not think you can afford my time. So, why don`t you entertain my earlier request of summarizing your drivel :)

I promise I will read it then.

Secondly, a doctoral student should stay in his limits and within the scope of his major. No need to fly too high in imagination :)

ok
summary provided....
(i am primarily commenting on practiced feminism in the west so it is addressed to the west not eastern women... eastern women have long way to go n they most of the times show more grace n common sense if they are aware ones)

anyway so here goes the summary dedicated to a western woman

1.it is hard to find many women with common sense these days.
2. Most women love money and lime light but they decieve themselves in believing in some nobel headlines.
3. Women hate to pay fr their date but find it utterly romantic to be taken out, fed some romantic cum exotic cum sensitive cum intellectual drivel.
4. They find being simple and innocent as cheap but shrewdness sexy, though they claim to prefer otherwise.
5. muslim men are regressive but exotic only if they are up fr the game
6. no better deal than havin a muslim man around with money otherwise he suck as he is a man and that is a muslim man

see i mentioned money two times here. money buys time as well as respect. thus feminism is just another fad of capitalism and if accepted this way i am more than happy but it creatively claims to be some new doctrine of intellectual evolution.

so in a nutshell pshycologically feminist school of thought which most western women have religiously adopted is just a new fashion and a good time pass. but i am increasingly getting bored of it.

thus fr me With all this and plus, the case of Western feminists get weaker and weaker. I have written another piece on feminism few days back and its getting better and better- prose and ideas :)

Re: # 13

Dawood Sahib,

This last post is even more incomprehensible than the convolutions of your piece. Is there an actual original and compelling idea in this overwrought diatribe or this wanking rendered in 10 letter words?

Re: # 12

Zahra Behen,

Dawood Sahib is a ``doctortal student``, whatever the heck that means....this is chowk`s effort at quality writing....

Re: # 13

Dawood - I am real busy and may not be able to revisit this board for sometime. In the interest of time, I could only provide partial input.

1.it is hard to find many women with common sense these days.

Women can hold similar views about men. By the way, did you mean ``any`` or ``many`` ? I think any should be sufficient than many :) Don`t you agree?

2. Most women love money and lime light but they decieve themselves in believing in some nobel headlines.

Men love all kinds of things. Should women impose their way of thinking on men?

3. Women hate to pay fr their date but find it utterly romantic to be taken out, fed some romantic cum exotic cum sensitive cum intellectual drivel.

The title suggested that you had your share of pleasant or not so pleasant experiences. Life is about experiences and observations. Probably, you need to continue your quest for finding the right date who can afford to split the check vs. likes to be taken care of. Times have changed, but some people have not. It`s ok if you do not want to take care of your date. Spell it out up front.

4. They find being simple and innocent as cheap but shrewdness sexy, though they claim to prefer otherwise.

This was sweetly stated. I am sorry I cannot speak for the ones you have come across. We all come across different kinds of people. Some are worth preserving, others are not. What`s the big deal? You are a doctoral student. Are you always successful in getting the anticipated results of your research? I have a few very close friends who are pursuing doctorate in complex areas and it has taken them much longer than anticipated. Since they took off time from corporate lives and decided to go back into academia, it has been even more difficult for them. I guess their perseverance is paying off in the end. One is a female who got married in the middle of her Phd program. She is supporting her spouse financially overseas. She is also sponsoring him to join her and he is anxiously awaiting for that day. This woman has spent over 25 years of her life in the west. She ended up taking the plunge for her reasons. There are all kinds of examples for us to analyze and review. In the end, we still have our own experiences to go through. Let`s not forget that.

5. muslim men are regressive but exotic only if they are up fr the game.

Now, is that true ? Being a man, you should know better and feel securer in yourself than what others think of you. Do you think muslim men are regressive? .

6. no better deal than havin a muslim man around with money otherwise he suck as he is a man and that is a muslim man

I do not want to assume that you are insecure, but some of your comments lead one to look into that dimension of your written thought process. Your language and expression demand some clarification. What do you mean by ``having a muslim man around with money``? To do what? To place him as a trophy on a book shelf ? Or to put him in a nice brief case?

[so in a nutshell pshycologically feminist school of thought which most western women have religiously adopted is just a new fashion and a good time pass. but i am increasingly getting bored of it. ]

Well, your boredom may be indicative of something else. Life is also about choices. Rather than raising so much hue and cry, just follow the exit sign.

Majority of muslim men get threatened by women with options and choices. It throws them in a precarious condition and makes them feel very insecure. These men have a very set perception of what and how women should be. So, whenever they see women exercising their views or options(whatever they may be), they have a real difficult time to accept it.

So, who is right for these men ?

I suggest women(either eastern or western) with very limited options, zero outlook and no independent views are ideal for these men.

On the other hand, the ones (either eastern or western) with options, well defined outlook, independent views and an identity will be real pain in the neck for these fellas.

Why inflict yourself to that pain when you can stay painless ?

Till we connect again.............