Dost Mittar March 22, 2007
#106 Posted by Ranjit on March 30, 2007 12:38:22 am
Re:ahmedmadani#105
Madaniji, sorry for that interact, but if you look at a few interacts back, Zahra was saying that she never liked the voice of Madam Nur Jehan. In fact she said she could not stand a single song by her. Think of that!! Pakistan has hardly produced a handful of artistes such as Nur Jehan, Malika Pukhraj, Roshanara Begum, Bade Ghulam Ali Khan etc. I had to jump in and as an Indian, defend Madam Nur Jehan`s rich legacy such as ``Mujh se Pehli si Mohabbat, Mere Mehboob na Maang``. Please tell me if I am wrong in calling her uncultured after that.
As far as Ustad Alladiya Khan is concerned, he was the doyen of Jaipur gharana and I believe he got the title of gaan samraat. If I am not mistaken, Kesarbai Kerkar and Mogubai Kurdikar trained under him. Unfortunately I dont believe Ustadji made any recordings that survive to this date.
Madaniji, sorry for that interact, but if you look at a few interacts back, Zahra was saying that she never liked the voice of Madam Nur Jehan. In fact she said she could not stand a single song by her. Think of that!! Pakistan has hardly produced a handful of artistes such as Nur Jehan, Malika Pukhraj, Roshanara Begum, Bade Ghulam Ali Khan etc. I had to jump in and as an Indian, defend Madam Nur Jehan`s rich legacy such as ``Mujh se Pehli si Mohabbat, Mere Mehboob na Maang``. Please tell me if I am wrong in calling her uncultured after that.
As far as Ustad Alladiya Khan is concerned, he was the doyen of Jaipur gharana and I believe he got the title of gaan samraat. If I am not mistaken, Kesarbai Kerkar and Mogubai Kurdikar trained under him. Unfortunately I dont believe Ustadji made any recordings that survive to this date.
#105 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 29, 2007 10:26:07 pm
Re: # 98 Ranjitji.... It is always better many things unsaid , better left as a open secret. L. Ali Khan once said ``what is Sindhi culture, driving donkeys?`` The words came haunting him all life. It is better to say nothing many times in such matter.
#104 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 29, 2007 10:17:57 pm
I always wonder if vocal music is recoreded any where on any site by Alla Diya Khan and B.Bakhale. If some body knows let me know , Here ot at ahmedmadani2048@yahoo.com.
( also wonder if of their work is recordrded ?), Thanks
( also wonder if of their work is recordrded ?), Thanks
#103 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 29, 2007 10:17:38 pm
I always wonder if vocal music is recoreded any where on any site by Alla Diya Khan and B.Bakhale. If some body knows let me know , Here ot at ahmedmadani2048@yahoo.com.
( also wonder if of their work is recordrded ?), Thanks
( also wonder if of their work is recordrded ?), Thanks
#102 Posted by ZahraJ on March 29, 2007 2:38:57 pm
Re: # 100
The said song is very popular in many health-clubs for cardio and aerobic exercises. It can make an average person lose twice the required calories. Madonna is doing very well. I guess she and Angelina Jolie are ready to adopt all the colored children of the world. I do like the song you have mentioned.
The said song is very popular in many health-clubs for cardio and aerobic exercises. It can make an average person lose twice the required calories. Madonna is doing very well. I guess she and Angelina Jolie are ready to adopt all the colored children of the world. I do like the song you have mentioned.
#101 Posted by drlokraj on March 29, 2007 1:35:55 pm
#99 dost ji
``Please do not turn this into a India-Pakistan thing. Remember, one of your favourite songs is by Faiz, a Pakistani poet``
did Faiz ever say that he was a Pakistani poet??
``Please do not turn this into a India-Pakistan thing. Remember, one of your favourite songs is by Faiz, a Pakistani poet``
did Faiz ever say that he was a Pakistani poet??
#100 Posted by swarrier on March 29, 2007 1:02:38 pm
Zahra
I took your advice and went and asked my son about Shakira. He gleefully led me to the youtube clip with her and Wycliffe Jean. Impressive physique. Not a bad song either. Now I want to see Mallika Sherawat do that. -)
I heard another song of hers and if her voice has not been altered digitally it`s rather good.
For some reason that video got me thinking of Madonna`s La isla Bonita and this song by Lita Ford both of which I like.
I took your advice and went and asked my son about Shakira. He gleefully led me to the youtube clip with her and Wycliffe Jean. Impressive physique. Not a bad song either. Now I want to see Mallika Sherawat do that. -)
I heard another song of hers and if her voice has not been altered digitally it`s rather good.
For some reason that video got me thinking of Madonna`s La isla Bonita and this song by Lita Ford both of which I like.
#99 Posted by dost_mittar on March 29, 2007 12:16:37 pm
ranjit#98:
Please do not turn this into a India-Pakistan thing. Remember, one of your favourite songs is by Faiz, a Pakistani poet. People do have different tastes. And, going by your logic, most Indians also no longer have taste as Reshamiyya and his ilk are the most popular singers today.
Please do not turn this into a India-Pakistan thing. Remember, one of your favourite songs is by Faiz, a Pakistani poet. People do have different tastes. And, going by your logic, most Indians also no longer have taste as Reshamiyya and his ilk are the most popular singers today.
#98 Posted by Ranjit on March 29, 2007 10:52:40 am
Re:zahraj#95
[..Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of your own bubble of ``taste``. ...]
Well, we all know that the only ``culture`` in Pakistan is agriculture. Its either jumping around doing ``balle balle`` or some religious crap. No wonder, your tastes are so in line with that. We Indians are cultured people and can appreciate sophisticated poetry and good music - something that you will only find boring and slow.
[..Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of your own bubble of ``taste``. ...]
Well, we all know that the only ``culture`` in Pakistan is agriculture. Its either jumping around doing ``balle balle`` or some religious crap. No wonder, your tastes are so in line with that. We Indians are cultured people and can appreciate sophisticated poetry and good music - something that you will only find boring and slow.
#97 Posted by samar1982 on March 29, 2007 10:46:49 am
Re: # 96, ZahraJ dear,
Don`t get too harsh on the oldies. Please! I request you not to.
Samar
Don`t get too harsh on the oldies. Please! I request you not to.
Samar
#96 Posted by ZahraJ on March 29, 2007 10:40:09 am
Re: # 95
{People with taste}
Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of your own bubble of ``taste``. It can vary from person to person. No need to jump too much on writing about taste. Seems like you just learned the concept. I will not divulge in other implications :)
{People with taste}
Do yourself a favor and get the hell out of your own bubble of ``taste``. It can vary from person to person. No need to jump too much on writing about taste. Seems like you just learned the concept. I will not divulge in other implications :)
#95 Posted by Ranjit on March 28, 2007 4:52:35 pm
Re:samar
[..My point is, don`t lament the era gone by like the death of a sweetheart....]
Yaar, do yourself a favor. Listen to Himesh Reshmaiyya and ``shakalaka baby``. Maybe thats what gives you the jollies. People with taste will always listen to Naushad, S.D. Burman, Salil Choudhury and so forth...
[..My point is, don`t lament the era gone by like the death of a sweetheart....]
Yaar, do yourself a favor. Listen to Himesh Reshmaiyya and ``shakalaka baby``. Maybe thats what gives you the jollies. People with taste will always listen to Naushad, S.D. Burman, Salil Choudhury and so forth...
#94 Posted by jang on March 28, 2007 3:47:26 pm
#93 drsab, actually that song is not bad, its lyrical..i mean something like for example the songs from izazat..like
katra katra milti hain, katra katra jeene do
or
mere kuch saman, tumhare paas pada hain
katra katra milti hain, katra katra jeene do
or
mere kuch saman, tumhare paas pada hain
#93 Posted by drlokraj on March 28, 2007 3:33:39 pm
#92
yes, at times he can be too abstract and people keep wondering till now what the hell it means, like this song beautifully sung by lata in khamoshi, `` hum nay dekhi hai un aankhon ki mehkati khushboo, haath say chhoo kay isay rishtoN ka ilzaam na do``
yes, at times he can be too abstract and people keep wondering till now what the hell it means, like this song beautifully sung by lata in khamoshi, `` hum nay dekhi hai un aankhon ki mehkati khushboo, haath say chhoo kay isay rishtoN ka ilzaam na do``
#92 Posted by jang on March 28, 2007 2:56:28 pm
#91 sometimes i think gulzar writes prose and chanllanges music-directors to compose ;-)
#91 Posted by drlokraj on March 28, 2007 11:40:44 am
Nice article dost mittar ji!!
But,its not entirely hopeless situation in recent times. A R Rehman is probably the best music director at the moment and comparable with likes of Naushad and other greats. He has created some wonderful songs from Gulzar`s lyrics ( which, many find hard to understand).
In eightees, ghazal got re-introduced into films and there were some memorable ghazals sung by Jagjit Singh in films like Arth and Saath-Saath, by Asha Bhosle in Umrao Jaan and by Suresh Wadekar in Ghaman.Rudali was a musical hit by good compositions from Bhupen Hazarika. There was some good music in Gulzar`s Maachis and more recently, someone sung ``Allah kay banday......`` in a very touching way.
Again in eightees, there was a bhajan in Aghaat which I still remember, ``itni shakti hameiN dena daata, mann ka vishwaas kamzor ho naa...``
Among lyricists, we still have inimitable Gulzar and Javed Akhtar.
But,its not entirely hopeless situation in recent times. A R Rehman is probably the best music director at the moment and comparable with likes of Naushad and other greats. He has created some wonderful songs from Gulzar`s lyrics ( which, many find hard to understand).
In eightees, ghazal got re-introduced into films and there were some memorable ghazals sung by Jagjit Singh in films like Arth and Saath-Saath, by Asha Bhosle in Umrao Jaan and by Suresh Wadekar in Ghaman.Rudali was a musical hit by good compositions from Bhupen Hazarika. There was some good music in Gulzar`s Maachis and more recently, someone sung ``Allah kay banday......`` in a very touching way.
Again in eightees, there was a bhajan in Aghaat which I still remember, ``itni shakti hameiN dena daata, mann ka vishwaas kamzor ho naa...``
Among lyricists, we still have inimitable Gulzar and Javed Akhtar.
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