Pakistans Permanent Revolution

hamid writes <<< it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that you have read one book (mills) and probably have a `degree` from some mail order `university` and have `taught` welfare mamas and criminals on parole at some inner city community college - not really stellar academic credentials .......... >>>

Yes, half brained people will conclude just like you, those with a little more will probably know that reading one book does not get one a lecturer position at a university much less a graduate degree, even though that ONE book that you`re talking about has more substance in it than anyone in your illustrious family from the present to five hundred years back has produced, even if we add all of their works together...... Now get back to sipping lattes like a senseless moron, enslaved in status-consumption, submitting to ghosts created by the elite to keep damn fools like you busy...

To all those interactors who have been pooh-poohing the burqa-clad Pakistani naaris.

You have just not realized the real reasons why so many of my Pakistani sisters LOVE the burqa!

Just compare:

(1) No need to change the blouse daily. (2) No need to hide from people you dislike – just pretend you are someone else. (3) Make faces at those you wish to make fun of – they can not see it. (4) No need to party dress. (5) No need to bleach (or shave). (6) A ready-made extra layer of clothing during winter. (7) Gawk at all the men you please – they will never know. (8) Just keep your mouth shut and the men will follow - thinking that underneath you look just like Waheeda Rehman in Chaudahvi ka Chand!

(1) You need a large wardrobe! (2) You can run – but can not hide! (3) You must control every facial gesture – lest people misread those gestures! (4) You need a different dress for every occasion! (5) You need regular bleaching and shaving! (6) You will freeze to death if you have to stay in this pose for another minute! (7) The gawking is strictly one-sided! (8) Just keep your mouth shut and the men will run away – intimidated because you look just like a movie star!

Romair, as you can see, this whole scenario is shot through with contradictions. Everything we can say about it is true (from somebody`s point of view).

re: Mantolives

My friend, a word of caution. First of all, please do not idealize Justice Iftikar Chaudhry and his decisions as noble for we do not know his true intentions and in fact, his intentions may be not as noble as assumed. Secondly, it has been a Pakistani tragedy that we, as a nation, idolize people only discover at our mortal peril that they had feet of clay and though they came dressed in the finest robes of liberalism, their bodies were covered with the sores of self-interest and their hearts were filled a disdain for the very people and the cause they claimed to serve and protect. All the leaders, who came to rule and preside over this halpless nation, were brought to power by own faults and when we realized our misakes, we wished them ill and hoped they would leave. Again, despite our past, we would wrongly misplace our hopes on another mirage upon a horseback and convince ourselves that we had finally found our one and true knight.

We are a morose nation, because we refuse to learn from our mistakes and instead find comfort in blaming our stars for the miseries, which periodically visit us. We as a people are a despressed lot, because we have been routinely disappointed by our leaders, who were not leaders but followers of their own vision and sadly, their visions and our hopes were two paths that never intersected. We have twisted and turned with so many hopes and promises, that we grown confused and everything we believed in; from religion to politics and everything inbetween, does not make any sense. We as a nation cannot agree on anything and have become so insecure, that we cannot tolerate any dissent. We hate dissent, because dissent only proves our own failures and inabilities. In our state of insecurity, we have become our own judge, jury and unfortunately, our own excutioners and this further, increases our insecurity but we still continue to make the same mistakes.

This situation will continue to peter out and despite talks of revolutions, none will happen because we, as a nation, are a people of the status quo. We love our social and political and religious castes and we do not want to see them end. We, as a nation, are a nation of individuals and each one of us, prides and extols the idea of being above the law and of enjoying special privilges and we have our own personalize set of laws by which we judge each other and then, when we as individuals are judged by the personal laws of another, we cry and demand justice.

The only problem is that we do not know what justice is, because we have abused justice so much that we, as a nation, are not on speaking terms with justice and this problem pales in the light of another more pressing question: whose justice do we seek?

The personality of Pervez Musharraf or the absence of this personality and for this matter, the existence of another personality, will not solve our problems. Our problem is not the failure of the leadership, but the failure of the imagination. Our problem is that we, as a nation, are like a thirsty person who when he finally comes to well, drinks heartily, but does not realize that well had run out of water a long time ago and what he is drinking and assuming as water is not water but sand. Until we learn to distinquish sand from water, we will always be fooled and as they say; fool me once, shame on you and fool me twice, shame on me!

Ciao

Re: # 274

Iftikhar is not a hero... nor are we making Bhagwandas a hero... so no need to burst into song....

It is about- if in case this develops in a mass movement- as to who leads it... the dangers outlined by HP are real. Which is why something this important cannot be left to the mullahs and the rabblerousers of the half naked fraud variety.

We should learn from the events of 1979 in a city called Teheran.

kaalchakra #272: I agree with the second part, i.e. the vigilantiasm......I am against it also......Having said that, I am actually only really against the vigilantiasm where they have abducted the two ladies and have beat them up.......

The second part of their vigilantiasm, in which they have taken on govt. forces, is something that, in my opinion, many people are against because these ladies represent a religious faction. Had they been been female college students of a westernised university, everyone here would be supporting them.......

Having said that, I think many of the people supporting them, only support them for their religious leanings. So this has turned into more of a religious issue than one of civil disobedience...........

I wonder whether, deep down inside, many Pakistani women are actually supporting these ladies, i.e. many Pakistani women must have wanted to go out with dandas and beat up men, but never had the courage..........

romair

There are two issues - the dress itself, and the vigilantism of people who are in that dress. Anil ji has more problems with the latter (which reminds him of kkk etc.)

Anil/Kaalchakra #: I have never been able to figure out why people are so attached or obsessed with dress. How a person dresses has never been important to me. I am not sure if it really makes a difference. If, of course, a person is forced into wearing a certain dress it is a different story...........But if someone does it voluntarily, it shouldn`t be a problem, as long as it is within some culturally defined boundary of the area.....

Sir, that would be true if religion was, for the most part, a personal thing, a private matter between (wo)man and his/her god....

# 265

anil ji, you obviously mean well, but that is NOT how the ladies themselves see it. A vast majority of them (ok, at least a good number of them) will tell you that the so-called `black tent` is actually quite liberating and empowering.

I am not contradicting you as such, just pointing out an alterantive view. Best regards.

Re: # 268

Kaalchakra:

There are people who were brainwashed to believe and willingly walk into the pyre also. I would rescue and deprogram the woman who though brainwashing would be ready to jump in the pyre of her dead husband. Next you might say what would you say to those suicide bombers who in there last video also uttered similar words regards how liberating and empowering their suicide bombing is. If they wear the black tent, like KKK member at their home, no one stops them. Public diplay of vigilantism is not the same, be in the black tent, or in the KKK garb.

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