Pakistans Permanent Revolution

Run for your lives, Pakistani khakis!

You have met your match - and then some!

Lathi meets lathi - and you have encountered what you have forever feared!

Here come the burqa-clad ladies!

It is not the Pakistan of yesterday - but the Pakistan of tomorrow that stares you in your face.

Run, khakis, run! (And take the Manto with you - for his protection.)

#225 (add-on)

I always knew that Pakistani ladies were good at fighting!

One should never judge a whole country by the conduct of its men alone!!!

#212 by kaalchakra

Religious students and their supporters might have (possibly) played their hand prematurely.

Interesting you should say that. In fact, the students are not agitating for anything radical, which may come as a surprise to you and others here. Their move is very carefully calibrated in that their demand is for ``Supremacy of the Constitution`` along with the guarantee it already provides of Islam being the ultimate source of all legislation in Pakistan. Perhaps Manto will provide the relevant clauses.

The `Nizam-e-Mustafa` they want is already there in the constitution placed there by Zia-ul-Haq. All they want is its implementation.

This way, they can have their cake and eat it too. They can`t be blamed for being anti-state, while at the same time they get credit for fighting for democracy and rule of law, also obviously envisaged in the constitution.

I do believe their timing is correct. At this time the political opposition is not only divided, but also frantically searching for a fresh message to replace the lost ones in the ineffective, half-hearted and disgraced liberalism of Benazir, the rejected urban middle-class morality of PML (N) which readily switched sides for the most part after musharraf`s coup, and the loss of credibility of the MMA having backtracked shamelessly after threatening resignations over the women`s bill just to remain in power in two provinces.

So the field is wide-open for a new independent appeal in this election year. Another few years would see this entire movement hijacked (or otherwise neutralized) by one of the above three, or its agenda set by other Islamist powers from outside the country.

Of-course all of above assumes Musharraf will not formally impose Martial-Law or Emergency, citing internal/external threats to the federation, which is a real possibility.

Re: # 227

zeemax,

`In fact, the students are not agitating for anything radical`` ???????

...... i guess you don`t consider shutting down video stores, stoning adulterers, beheading munafiqs, and driving pigs and ahmedis into the sea radical ! ........ i find that quite disgusting, as do the pigs

#203 by Salim_Chauhan,

I stand corrected. I checked and turns out you are right. As per wikipedia, the name Ottoman derives from Osman I, son of Ertuğrul, who became the first Bey when he declared the independence of the ``Ottoman State`` in 1299.

But I do remember reading somewhere it was after the Caliph Usman. Was Osman1 named after the Caliph? I would think so.

#228 by hamidm2

They have done none of the abominable things you list. Re closing video shops, that is untrue as well. All they have done is to warn the stores not to distribute pornography otherwise they`ll shut them down. I think the video-stores have taken heed to that.

..... I forgot to mention .. I should have done regarding the subject at hand.

In Karachi recently, I went to attend a wedding in close family friends. The daughter of the family who was a vivacious hip-hugger clad college girl last time I saw her 3-4 years ago, a talented painter of portraits and murals, was now clad head to toe in a BURQA (face uncovered though) ... and that too on her own brother`s wedding when everyone else in her family was bedecked with jewels and silks.

No further comment.

Interesting news in #210 by Urstruly that the Government plans to use stun gas and to storm them. I don`t see how it could work.

There`re 6,500 girls in the Jamia Hafsa. Out of those 3,000+ are involved in the current militancy. Even if they`re rendered unconscious or something with gas, where`re they going to take them all? To prison? Or sent back home? Surely there must be some plan for afterwards.

In any event, if this is carried out, the result will be as follows, because they`re now wearing exactly the same headbands (as seen in today`s Geo TV interview with Dr. Shahid Masood).

This image is composed of the same woman`s two seperate images from the Chechen theater siege.

Re: # 232

zeemax,

........ if i remember correctly, all those terrorists in the moscow theater siege were dispatched to heaven to copulate with male and female virgins ....... i am sure the girls of jamia hafsa would enjoy the same fate even though i think they could do better as comfort women for the taliban in helmand province ..........

#229 zeemax {``I stand corrected. I checked and turns out you are right. As per wikipedia, the name Ottoman derives from Osman I, son of Ertuðrul, who became the first Bey when he declared the independence of the ``Ottoman State`` in 1299.

But I do remember reading somewhere it was after the Caliph Usman. Was Osman1 named after the Caliph? I would think so.``}

Zee Bhai,
Of course Osman Ghazi was named after the famous 3rd Caliph Usman Ghani. Just as Mehmed the Conqueror was named after the Holy Prophet (PBUH), as was Sultan Ahmet and all the Mehmets and Ahmets (Mohammeds and Ahmeds) throughout the era of the Ottomans. Even Mustafa Kemal Pasha was named after God`s Most Perfect Creation (PBUH).
Thanks for this polite discussion. :)

#233 by hamidm2

Yes. There were I think six of them who were first stunned with gas and then shot in the head. About two hundred spectators died anyway but that`s not the issue.

But three thousand?

#233 hzmidum2 {``if i remember correctly, all those terrorists in the moscow theater siege were dispatched to heaven to copulate with male and female virgins ....... i am sure the girls of jamia hafsa would enjoy the same fate even though i think they could do better as comfort women for the taliban in helmand province ..........``}

Hamidum Sahib,
I too am in opposition to the antics of the right-wing fundo extremists. I too detest their horrible methods and even more nefarious goals. But, sir, I find your derogatory comments to be very sexist, demeaning, and quite uncharacteristic from someone of your esteemed standing. I can understand Chacha 32 descending to such depths, but I always thought that you were much better. I am very disappointed. Please reconsider. Thanks.

#234 by Salim_Chauhan

I`m always polite except with hindoos ... :)

#236 by Salim_Chauhan

While passing these remarks, hamidm always forgets these are someone`s daughters too, even though they don`t go to proms with their boyfriends and stop for ice-cream on the way back ... (wink) :~)

#223 by bjkumar on April 1, 2007 9:38am PT
{``re: #222 Tauheed sahib
With all due respect, Mian Masadi did not direct his #196 to you therefore, your retort is rather harsh and may be unwarranted. ``}

Concerning the sophomoric and rather stupid rhetoric in #222 {``Masadi: Dear Running Sore on the Rear End of the Flea That is Feasting on the Poop Left by the Dog of the Peon Whose Sole Job is to Bring Samosa and Chai for the Bald, Overweight College Clerk With Rotten Teeth who Steals From the Scholarship Fund At Government College Mian Channu Where the Roof Drips and the Teachers Show Their Unwashed Faces in College on the First of Every Month to Collect Their Salary.``}

BJ Bhayya,
Thank you for reprimanding this less than humorous and reprehensible personal insult hurled at Mr. Masadi by this profane and vulgar individual - he should behave much better in consideration of his advanced age. For some reason, whenever he loses debates, Chacha 32 resorts to this type of personal attack. I don`t normally agree with Masadi Sahib, but I support him fully and sympathize with him in this unfortunate exchange with the impolite imbecile.

Re: # 220 Bulleya
``...NOTE: The supporting of corrupt elitist dictators (including the ones who weren`t corrupt but were still elitist - like Musharraf) was the first big mistake the West made in Muslim countries....``
When Musharraf came to power, you were leading the cheering squad. Remember, the West will (and should) look after its own interest before yours. If you were willing then, then why blame the West?