Pakistans Permanent Revolution

Re: # 54

Urstruly,

I saw on bbc site of the picture of hunreds of burqa girls/women. They covered it so much on them & there are so many. How they idenify one another? I am not kidding. Wud there be any name badges?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6507205.stm

(pl see the terrace as well).

#54

Dear Mr. Urstruly, sir,

Forgive me for asking this simplistic question but in view of the fact that the individuals in #54 are covered from their head to toe, what makes you so sure of their gender?

hamidm #63 There is I agree no excuse for allowing such lawlessness - whereby a mob can drag someone out of her house and publicly humiliate her. Whether she is or is not she is what the maulvis claim is totally irrelevant. In the eyes of the law in any civilized country, she is the victim, and the perpetrators who kidnapped her are the criminals. What signal does this miserable episode send to the maulvi?

There is perhaps a method to this madness, whereby the CJ is sacked on a flimsy excuse while this open humiliation of an individual in Pakistan without any due process of law is permitted to continue......

#49 by malik99 on March 29, 2007 1:57pm PT


Its a slave mentality to call an election ``free`` when it brings your favorite party(s) to power and when it is acceptable in the West.


How is that any worse than standing by idly while a foreign government bombs your citizens on your soil?

#46 by HP on March 29, 2007 11:59am PT


The current movement in Pakistan, if persisted with, would eventually fall into the Islamists hands and that means a new General in another coup with Islamist support to promote the Islamist agenda which would destroy Pakistan for good.


The Islamists who were the allies of the paki army when they were providing the jihadi cannon fodder for your wet dreams of kashmir banega pakistan or strategic depth?

Cool...

In reality, the paki army cares more about moolah than allah...One threat from Uncle Sam to bomb you to the stone age and the paki army will be duking it out with their former allies...the chances of the paki army doing anything that would require them to get their hands out of the paki till can be safely ruled out...

arjun: which foreign government is bombing citizens in pakistan? are you seriously mad, or merely trying to be cleverer than you are?

#25 Yasser

Manto my sweetheart,

As usual you subject us to a verbal deluge without answering any of the issues I raised in #5. The reason you do not answer is because the stark truth stings.

Here is my take:

All your lawyerspeak notwithstanding, Pakistan is not secular. It never was secular. Secularism was not the basis for its founding! It is an ISLAMIC republic, therefore - by definition - it is NOT secular.

In a secular republic, Muslims would not be treated as superior to non-Muslims. That was the very reason to carve your rump country because had that not been done then one Muslim would only count equal to one Hindu and equal to one Parsee and equal to one Sikh and equal to one Christian, and so forth – and that simple fact of math was unpalatable to that black-coat bigot who would die of TB – and who is probably up there somewhere in spirit, enjoying leisurely the fruits of his own seed and perhaps getting his daily climax!

Jinnah killed the root of secularism in that part of the land. The branch was still alive in 1947 – because it was yanked off a larger tree – but it was only a matter of time before it died out.

The khakis only completed the chain that Jinnah himself initiated!

Because...

Brute force, and brute force aplenty, was used to wrest that piece of land.

It does not matter what it says on paper and it does not matter what happens in isolated instances and it does not matter who your acting CJ is and how good of an actor he is! Legal decrees in Pakistan are worthless because Jinnah was the one who ORIGINALLY legitimized the use of brute force – the khakis have only completed the process since – in fits and starts at first and then whole-heartedly, by dropping all pretenses and grabbing power openly and keeping it openly!

And Pakistan is not secular! Because...

In a non-secular country, minorities get chased away or get outright killed – as happened to the Hindus and the Sikhs and the Christians of Pakistan! The minorities leave in a non-secular country because of very simple reasons - because they fear for their lives. It happened in Pakistan for decades and then, thanks to Pakistan – that endless cycle was repeated in the Valley of Kashmir from where the small minority of Kashmiri Pandits was chased away! And gutless lawyers like you sing the praises of those killers elsewhere - hoping that, if you sing the praises of those killers enough, they will spare YOU and only hurt ``others``!

In a secular country, minorities do not leave – they stay put – as they did in India!

It was your misfortune that you were born on the wrong side of the border and were born a minority!

prophet tahmed: The US government owns mushy`s ass but the US is still a foreign government and when it bombs damadola and other places, that still counts as a foreign govt bombing paki citizens on paki soil...

#72 arjun: The US denies that it bombed damadola or any other place inside Pakistan. The Pakistan government also says that no foreign forces are operating inside Pakistan.

So, you are saying that:

1. the US government is lying;
2. the Pakistan overnment is lying;
3. you know the truth sitting half-way around the world.

This is mere crap.

But wait, there is more from the IT genius...those targetted by these various armies (the Pakistan army inside Pakistan, the NATO/US military in Afghanistan) are not ordinary Pakistani citizens. Only a totally insane individual would think that these militaries are aiming for ordinary citizens in Pakistan. So, you are either totally insane, or else utterly stupid. Like I said.

Re: # 73 Tahmed32
``...The US denies that it bombed damadola or any other place inside Pakistan. ...``

Perhaps, this will be somewhat convincing. If you don`t trust Wikipedia, then you may trust this article in the UK Times more. By the way, do you have any reference to the effect that `US denied bombing Damadola`? I don`t recall reading one. The less said about your (Pakistani) government`s truthfulness, the better.
CIAO

Pepe le pew:#74 Do they produce specimen like you and arjun in special labs in India? or do you grow wild?

further to #75: what part of ``.those targetted by these various armies (the Pakistan army inside Pakistan, the NATO/US military in Afghanistan) are not ordinary Pakistani citizens`` do you have trouble understanding?

Re: # 74
The second (non-working) link is http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article788673.ece
From the UK Times

#77 answer my question in #76

This one is for Nasah Sahib (who thinks that GWB is less than funny) yet highly relevant to this board.

Here is an excerpt from an account of GWB appearance at the annual Radio and Television Correspondents` dinner in Washington, D.C. a few days ago.

``On the controversy over the Justice Department’s firing of eight federal prosecutors, Bush said: “I have to admit we really blew the way we let those attorneys go. You know you’ve botched it when people sympathize with lawyers.” ``

mmmkay prophet tahmed...perhaps in your alternate reality it wasn`t the USAF/CIA that bombed the madrassah and the other places..

The rest of us prefer to deal with reality..