Girls Gone Wild

Re: # 1477

Zeena ji

You say:

``And now Miss MM is running this girls school in her village for the poor oppressed girls.`

She might be teaching the girls how to get raped (?) in the presence of their family, with the sanction of the Village Panjchayat, and as a result get rich and become darling of the western world (Nauzubillah min Zaalik). Btw why does she not open a centre for `Taleem-e-Balighan` where you can also get `education`. This might let you have another option also to punish me.

But sorry I have forgotten that you have forgiven me and I hope you won`t take any thing said about MM as a personal insult of yours. I personally won`t take anything said against me seriously but would keep on in the words of Ghalib:

``Cheer khooban se chali jaae Asad
Gar nahin wasl to hasrat hi sahi``

Regards

P.S.: The other day I read a report that MM has sued against the Urdu Daily Ausaf against her defamation. Can you enlighten us about it, please?

#1479, 1480, by ZahraJ and other humans,

Please visit your last board and read my advice. It is useless (1 billion times) to talk reason to these incorrigible, nasty and imbecile people. Allah has deprived them of some precious human qualities. Though I appreciate you perseverance.

Samar

Zahra,

This is the article u are looking 4.

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Islamosocialism
The European left makes common cause with the Muslim right.

BY BRET STEPHENS
Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

``It is a profound truth,`` declared the British Socialist Party in a 1911 manifesto, ``that Socialism is the natural enemy of religion.`` Not the least of the oddities in the subsequent history of progressive politics is that today it has become the principal vehicle in the West for Islamist goals and policies.

Caroline Lucas, a member of the Green Party faction in the European Parliament, is a longtime activist in anti-nuclear, animal-rights and environmentalist causes, and not someone likely to describe herself as an anti-feminist. Yet in June 2004, she joined British MPs Fiona Mactaggart of Labor and Sarah Teather of the Liberal Democrats for a press conference in the House of Commons organized by the Assembly for the Protection of Hijab. The Assembly, better known as Pro-Hijab, is a pan-European organization formed ``to campaign nationally and internationally for the protection of every Muslim woman`s right to wear the Hijab in accordance with her beliefs and for the protection of every woman`s right to dress as modestly and as comfortably as she pleases.``

Once upon a time, feminists and socialists alike would have translated that as ``subservience to the patriarchy.`` Now they seem to have rediscovered their roots as civil libertarians, at least when it`s politically expedient. Consider the issue of the Armenian genocide. In 1998, the French-speaking wing of Belgium`s Socialist Party (PS) co-sponsored legislation to criminalize denial of the Ottoman Empire`s murder of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians, much as Holocaust denial is also against the law.

Yet for the past several years, the same PS has been blocking the process of criminalization it helped initiate, presumably in the service of free speech. ``Additional legal and historical research,`` says Belgian Deputy Prime Minister Laurette Onkelinx, remains to be done in ascertaining exactly what happened in Anatolia in 1915.

Progressives have also been remarkably mindful of civil liberties in matters of immigration. When the German state of Baden-Wüttemberg last year required applicants for citizenship to answer a series of questions regarding their personal views, the leader of the German Green Party, Renate Künast, denounced it as ``immoral.`` ``A country governed by law,`` she argued, ``cannot ask questions about moral values.`` Among the questions: ``Where do you stand on the statement that a wife should obey her husband and that he can hit her if she fails to do so?``





Curiously, however, Europe`s progressives have been somewhat less tolerant on other issues concerning moral values and personal belief. Take ``Islamophobia,`` which progressives often consider akin to racism and have, in some instances, sought to ban by legal means. In Britain last year, Tony Blair`s government enacted the Racial and Religious Hatred Act, which criminalized ``threatening`` comments against religious persons or beliefs. Comedian Rowan Atkinson and author Salman Rushdie, among others, warned that the law undermined basic rights of speech. But for London Mayor Ken Livingstone it was not enough: He defined ``Islamophobia`` as ``discrimination, intolerance or hostility towards Islam and Muslims,`` and regretted that criminal acts were not more broadly defined by the legislation.
Since coming to office nearly seven years ago, Mr. Livingstone has become a symbol of the marriage of the European left and the Islamist right. It`s a marriage of mutual convenience and, at least on one side, actual belief. In the Netherlands, a recent study by the University of Amsterdam`s Institute for Migration and Ethnic Studies found that 80% of immigrants--the overwhelming majority of whom are Muslims--voted for the Labor party in recent elections, while the two main center-right parties received a combined 4% of the immigrant vote. In neighboring Belgium, the left-wing sociologist Jan Hertogen credits immigrants for ``[saving] democracy`` by voting as a bloc against the secessionist and anti-immigrant Vlaams Belang party.

For Muslim voters in Europe, the attractions of the Socialists are several. Socialists have traditionally taken a more accommodating approach to immigrants and asylum-seekers than their conservative rivals. They have championed the welfare state and the benefits it offers poor newcomers. They have promoted a multiculturalist ethos, which in practice has meant respecting Muslim traditions even when they conflict with Western values. In foreign policy, Socialists have often been anti-American and, by extension, hostile to Israel. That hostility has only increased as Muslim candidates have joined the Socialists` electoral slates and as the Muslim vote has become ever more crucial to the Socialists` electoral margin.

More mysterious, however, at least as a matter of ideology, has been the dalliance of the progressive left with the (Islamic) political right. Self-styled progressives, after all, have spent the past four decades championing the very freedoms that Islam most opposes: sexual and reproductive freedoms, gay rights, freedom from religion, pornography and various forms of artistic transgression, pacifism and so on. For those who hold this form of politics dear, any long-term alliance with Islamic politics ultimately becomes an ideological, if not a political, suicide pact. One cannot, after all, champion the cause of universal liberation in alliance with a movement that at its core stands for submission.





This is not, of course, the first time such a thing has happened in the history of the progressive movement, or in European history. On the contrary, it is the recurring theme. In the early 20th century, the apostles of Fabianism--George Bernard Shaw among them--looked to the Soviet Union for inspiration; in the 1960s the model was Mao; in the late 1970s, the great French philosopher Michel Foucault went to Iran to write a paean to Khomeini`s revolution. In nearly every case, the progressives were, by later admission, deceived, but not before they had performed their service as ``useful idiots`` to a totalitarian cause.
But the stakes today are different. At question for Europeans is not the prevailing view of a distant country. The question is the shaping of their own. Europe`s liberal democrats were able, sometimes with outside help, to preserve their values in the face of an outside threat. Whether they can resist the temptations of Islamosocialism remains to be seen.

Mr. Stephens is a member of The Wall Street Journal`s editorial board. His column appears in the Journal Tuesdays.

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(http://www.opinionjournal.com/wsj/?id=110009802)

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``brave........``

``long live.......``

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``long live.......``

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``long live.......``

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Zeena aka Tania -

Please do not address me again. I have very little respect for people like you. I am not interested in your medical analysis. You need to take care of yourself first before you suggest anything to anyone.

Thanks!

Chowk Moderators and Invigilators -

Please look into the nicks on Chowk who have been frequenting different boards and posting nasty posts and adjectives towards people who write under their real names. It`s important that you put an end to it. Please make a note of nicks like, Zeena. This person would never feel comfortable posting the nastiness she has been constantly posting udnder her real name. It`s important that we put a stop to it.

Thanks.

Shandana -

Hi. I would be interested in reading about your latest findings on the current situation with the sweet and naughty spin.

Thanks.

I salute Hafsa brave women for their bravery hearts. For standing up against oppression of women.

For standing up against criminals and showed me a light at the end of the dark tunnel.

I also salute the bravery heart of Miss Mukhtaran Mai who stood up against her own oppression and against her rapists and did not surrender.

And now Miss MM is running this girls scdhool in her village for the poor oppresed girls.


Both Hafsa brave clads and Miss MM( bravery heart) are worthy of my die hard love and I am their die hard fan. No doubt about it.

AbuHafs sahib

I appreciate your posts and support for Hafsa brave girls.

But, I do not wish to e-mail anyone on this web site or on any other web sites.

If, you wish to say anything to those brave girls..................go ahead, copy and paste all my supportive posts for them and , if, they wish to contact me. I will be available for them.
Regards

PS:- I hope you won`t take this as personal, like majority of interactors do take each and everything on personal level.......thanks

Madam ZahraJ

with all due respect, I suggest complete bed rest for you for at least next 24 hours to come up with some sensible posts.

I really think, you can try to control your uncontrollable anger against me, if, you try sincerely(NO pun intended).

I really think you can give me a beautiful surprise by NOT attacking me personally. And also by learning NOT to collect someone`s personal info 24/7 online when you do not know the other person at all.

Please, reserve that benefit of doubt for your self, b/c you will need it latter. Who knows you may NOT be so bad person, not so abusive person as you portray here against me on almost every board. Who knows we will see some good change in you.

Just relax, just focus on your other interactors, just focus on your physical and mental health......Go for a yoga class to open up your mind and muscles........

regards

PS:- please, do start anger management classes today. I do not wish to see a good person giong all wasted and eaten up by mere anger. You are not the slave of anger, you should make anger your slave.

Stop this slavery right now. You eat up this anger, before it eats you up.

Regards, Ma`am.

Madam ZahraJ

I do not wish to be your role model,, God forbid.

And I don`t want you to be my role model either.

Hafsa brave clads are my role models.

How many times you will say (BYE) and then come back too post for me?
How many times , You will say(Take care) and then come back to post against me? LOL

This board is getting funnier now, just b/c Madam ZahraJ`s JUMPING JACKS here and there everywhere, just like a baboon tryning to hang on every other tree, but, is unable to stick to his /her decision.

If, you do not wish to say, bye and if you are too much obsessed about interacting with me. Then you`re welcome here.

But, please, do not make fun of your own self by contradicting your own self.

I am not sying bye. And also what`s the use of interacting with me? and wasting your precious time on me uselessly for NO reason, when the matter of the facts is we are perfect strangers for eachother and will remain so.

Now, Madam ZahraJ will come up with another post , saying bye, take care and trying to be sarcastic..................LOL....Just wait and see........LOL ....hilarious.

Re: # 1473

I would rate your opinion as ``An extremist approach towards Zeemax``

kaal, this mutual fellating bet zee & u is very unseemly but beyond that i sense that ur interest in islam is rather prurient - u r threatened by nonvirulent muslims (take ur attitude towards the sufis) coz if zee`s violent version is the correct 1 & then u can rest ez since u r not a muslim
how am i doing so far?

#1436 by kaalchakra,

If we change the Quran then what will be the difference between us and Christians and Jews ??
They changed their holy books, and now you can find thousands of them, as i said earlier,

Not Everyone`s wishes are the same.

Thousand ppl, hundred thousand wishes, ten hundred thousand books.

Thats not the solution.

#1436 by kaalchakra

I mean it is possible to take the same Quran, change a few seemingly minor things around it, and turn it into just one of the many millions of the books that the Hindus already have (only this one written in Arabic.)

That`s correct. You can`t change a single word. That is why Muslims have always fought fiercely any suggestion that anything may have been altered since it was originally put in any form of writing.

zeemax,

Take something out, put your own wishes in.... It seems a perfect scenario, but not everyone`s wishes are the same.

Zeena -

Last but not least, I am sorry I cannot follow any of your advice or suggestions since you are not a role model of your own advice.

With that said, good luck with your resting phase :)

Take Care.