The Hypocrisy of the Indian Leftists

All I request is these quota doctors should be made to work in rural areas. Mandetory period. If you depend on govt. handouts you have a duty towards the masses.

{``To appease protesting students, it was decided to increase the total number of seats so that the number of seats available for meritorious students would remain the same.``}

Harimau ``Harry`` Sahib,

Good article. My friend, what we need most is moderation. While affirmative action, EOE, quotas, and set-asides are founded on good intentions of equality, fairness, compassion, and justice, things have gone overboard. Instead of helping the ``backward`` classes, we have managed to create an upper crust on top of each ``backward`` class. This has happened because of society`s blind insistence on quotas - without considering the actual need or fairness of someone qualifying as a ``backward`` class element.

my yajnyopavita wielding proud friends,

are not brahmins leaders, nay epitomes of hindu society? are they not the keepers of the ancient knowledge from smritis, shastras, upanishadas and puranas? now there are dowry deaths in hindu society. should they not get the blame as leaders or do they shirk their responsibility? have they not read sartre arth along with shastrarth? they cannot fun away from their responsibility as if its a heen-kulin born. in that case they will be repeating the mistake of drona and pandavas.

bottomline, if the issue is your midst, you own it. you cannot use tahmed like logic of ``its not in the book``, or ``no those are the deobandis, barelvis are the real disco-experts``. after all most of the dowry-marriages are sanctified in front of devas, brahmanas and agni, and therein lies some responsiblity.

There has to be some positive discrimination otherwise there would be a great polarisation between haves and have-nots. The fairer system is that is based on income rather than on caste. In the UK there is positive discrimination in favour of the low incomes, students are paid to stay on at school after 16, also nursery provision is better in deprived areas.

I think India should move towards income based system, then the other the most backward group muslims could also benefit.

#25 by dharma

[Re: # 17 jang
>also the brahmin is perpetuating the hindu dowry system even when OBC leaders have >abolished it and made it illegal.

It is better to keep your mouth shut when you dont know something. So far
I had high regard for your posts. This negates all that. How does brahmin perpetuate
dowry system and for what purpose? dowry system is very recent phenomena
to the subcontinent.]

dharma,

I have been visiting this website for a couple of years now. One thing I have realized, that most Indians you see on this forum are not the average Indians you would meet everyday. Most of these have one kind of a chip on their shoulder or the other. There seem to be a overwhelming representation from the dalit/SC/ST community. Most of these ``proud`` and ``rational`` thinkers are however careful to shield their dalit/SC/ST identity from others. Then there are some who are converts, or are dating Muslims (and therefore waiting to convert). Not the usual everyday bunch.

Rationality is at a premium. As for Pakis - well what can you say about ``progressive`` and ``enligtened`` supporters of an ``Islamic`` country. No wonder any kind of irony is lost on most of them.

When I go to a roadside temple near my home for a special puja, I deliberately wear a dhoti but no upper garments. You should see what happens: the sight of the sacred thread around my torso parts the crowd who stand a respectful foot away from me so that I won`t be defiled by their touch. This in the city of Chennai after 75 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda. Hey, I like that.


ROFL.. I think people avoid him like a plague on seeing his ``cross-belt`` (yeah that`s the nickname for the so called ``sacred thread``) and he thinks that he is getting respect.

#27 babuji, now you sound like tahmed..they are not real communist, what they do is not written in the book ;)

My first question is why DMK is equated with the Indian leftists.

Re: # 22

i have no idea what anyone is talking about on this board-from the article to the interacts. I think I like that much better. :)

Re: # 17 jang
>also the brahmin is perpetuating the hindu dowry system even when OBC leaders have >abolished it and made it illegal.

It is better to keep your mouth shut when you dont know something. So far
I had high regard for your posts. This negates all that. How does brahmin perpetuate
dowry system and for what purpose? dowry system is very recent phenomena
to the subcontinent.

Timely but incomplete, not comprehensive. Author has left much unsaid about the leftists. If I find time I will elaborate on the biggest trait of the leftists, i.e. hypocrisy. All the other follies directly relate to this one only.

1) Claim to be progressive BUT are most obscurantists. Try to implement 150 years old principles of Marxism in practice today. No discussion on reassessing and redefining the principles of Marxism.
2) Claim to be democratic BUT are most authoritarian. E.g.Bengal, Kerala politics today.
3) Claim to be fighting for rural poor BUT have no organization in rural areas, except in Bengal, Bihar and Kerala
4) Claim to be vanguard of the labor class BUT in reality represent only 5% of the organized labor force. Almost all the landless labors, artisans and UNEMPLOYED have not been touched by them.
5) Claim to be secular but fear maulanas. Always shirk away the responsibility of taking up the matters pertaining to the masses of Muslims and even Hindoos. Examples: Shahbano, Imrana, education imparted in Madarsas. Even enthusiastically participated in Puja in Bengal to gain support of Bhadralok Hindoos.
6) Religiously hate the color orange and love green. There is no point in getting involved in disputes with many harmless Bhagwadharis.

Plus many others.

Samar

The hypocrisy of the Indian haramimau,

You sure have come a long way baby since October 27,2006 when you wrote
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#206 Pakistan`s Afghan Policy on October 27, 2006
Ref GT #267

[Your brother-in-religion, Harimau, is still squirming under the fact that low castes have become dominant under the rubric of Indian democracy. Are you squirming too?]

Harimau has no reason to squirm. The lower castes will not be allowed to come out of their poverty by our politicians who depend on them for votes. So they will be kept in perpetual ignorance while a few seats in professional education and a few government jobs are thrown their way, much like you throw grains to chickens.

Harimau skewers the lower castes like you guys might skewer meat for sheesh-kebabs.

Harimau walks tall, knowing full well that just by birth alone he is superior to 95% of Indians and 100% of non-Indians. That kind of self-confidence is not easy to come by.

Harimau pities mlecchas like you who have the misfortune to be born into a strange cult and who can have no exit strategy short of death. In fact, he pities mlecchas more than he pities the lower castes who at least have reservations going for them.

When I go to a roadside temple near my home for a special puja, I deliberately wear a dhoti but no upper garments. You should see what happens: the sight of the sacred thread around my torso parts the crowd who stand a respectful foot away from me so that I won`t be defiled by their touch. This in the city of Chennai after 75 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda. Hey, I like that.

The Communist minister Chakraborty in West Bengal, defending his attendance at a religious ceremony, said that he is seen as a brahmin first, a Bengali next and a Communist last.

Nope, we don`t squirm. We walk with our heads held high. Squirming is for low-lifes, such as worms on a hook. >>>

Re: # 19
C`mon neembu fess up, you didn`t know what it meant `cause you weren`t raised old style.

Told you what it meant and you still had to go and look it up. Some of us still use spelt, burnt, and don`t say first of all , second of all, third of all...., firstly, secondly and lastly works quite well.

As they say in thisyer land ```ave a nice day?``

Dear Harimau,

I have the greatest respect for high achieving South Indian Brahmins, for whom perfection is a concrete and specific reality rather than a hopeless goal, however I detect a deep and well entrenched snobbery and elitism underlying your analysis. It is analogous to the Pathan attitude. I have no personal issues with that--I think ancient cultures with hang-ups and ideas of grandeur are cute beyond belief:) (translate I enjoy the company of Pathans and Brahmins precisely because of the hauteur and arrogance, yet having a really meaningful conversation is only possible with the committed socialist), it is unfortunately not in sync with the capitalist economics of today. In the New Capitalism the single trait that make for blinding success is PR and appearance. Even though our perfectly honorable Pathans and our perfectly perfect South Indians would have it otherwise, those who succeed in keeping the elites together have the art of the lie, the fiction and the convincing image down pat. Therefore, for you to succeed in convincing others that they should not tamper with the meritocracy of the Colleges, suggest the following:
1. Present the concerned Indian citizen image about inequality
2. Suggest Affirmative Action at the workplace rather than in degree colleges (that way the class system stays intact)
3. Point out examples of great Universities which have no Affirmative Action or less Affirmative Action.
4. In other words, take a leaf out of George Bush`s book.

The below is only an example (inspired by `Bringing Democracy to the Middle-east`) possible title `Bringing Excellence to the Workplace.` As long as you can, keep people distracted from your real intent. Also, in that article, please ensure that you do not mention the stupidity of the Indian Govt. or the greatness of the Supreme Court. Appeal to the common denominator, ignore the dissident voice...

:). Secretly, I hope you don`t, because heckya, it is bloody painful to watch.

warm regards

Saima

Neembu, no matter what you say, I will not believe you.

The dictionary tells me that a petard is an explosive device. So how is it that one can be hoisted on one`s own (or anybody`s) petard?
Pretty easily: it`s the same concept as ``being blown sky-high.`` The literal sense of the phrase hoist on one`s own petard is `raised into the sky by one`s own bomb`. This meaning is largely forgotten today, however; people generally remember the figurative meaning, `caught by the very device one had contrived to hurt another`.

The phrase comes from a passage in Shakespeare`s Hamlet. Rosencranz and Guildenstern are sent with Hamlet to England bearing orders that Hamlet be killed. Hamlet alters the orders so that Rosencranz and Guildenstern are killed instead. Hamlet says:

For `tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard; and `t shall go hard

But I will delve one yard below their mines,

And blow them at the moon.

(Hamlet III.iv.206ff, spelling modernized)

The passage clearly shows the literal sense, but it`s the extended sense we know now, to the point that knowing ``hoist`` and ``petard`` won`t help you decipher the phrase.
The hoist in the passage is not the same as our modern ``hoist``; it`s an older form of the word, hoise, with a participial ending that ends up as a -t (it would normally be written hoised). Petard is a word for `bomb` that etymologically means `farter`, amusingly enough.