The Hypocrisy of the Indian Leftists

Ref Folio #127

[#126 by einsteinwallah on April 14, 2007 4:07pm PT

////////They help only their kinsmen.///////

Just curious. Do u help ur neighbour`s kinsmen?]

He might.... but only if they belong to his caste.

Ref einsteinwallah #126

[South Indians are worst discriminators in India. They help only their kinsmen. They discriminate against North Indians.]

Actually, the reservations for the Brain-Dead was meant to recognize the mental deficiency of the folks from the Gangetic Plains. The Bhaiyyas of Bihar and UP are too stupid to understand even that!

[They cheat in competitive exams.]

Recently, the police have started using sniffer dogs in Bihar to detect students taking in ``bits`` into the exam halls. The students protested that this was a new and unknown tactic against which they were insufficiently prepared and as such it is unfair to them.

Bihar University and Magadh University MBBS degrees have the unique distinction of being de-recognized by the Indian Medical Council back in the early 1970s. And of course, in the last decade, Lalloo Prasad Yadav`s daughter scored the First Rank in the MBBS exams conducted by Bihar University. Compared to this, any cheating in South India is minimal.

By the way, a Standard X exam question paper was stolen in one small town in Tamil Nadu and that exam was immediately cancelled and a new question paper was printed and rushed to all exam centers. Just FYI that even in Masanamuthu-land, publicity brings about corrective action.

[Entire South India should be handed over back to British. That is only way they can be civilized.]

Now, you are echoing what Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister Karunanidhi and his cohorts demanded back in the 1940s. They said that the British should not leave India. Welcome to the company of Masanamuthus!

The crowd of Masanamuthus from India, as usual, has shown its inability to recognize a clue even when it is handed to them on a silver platter with watercress around it.

No one is willing to talk about the Indian politician`s penchant for beating up on the Judiciary but are willing to tell Pakistanis how to treat their Justices nicely!

Recently, Manmohan Singh the Neutered -- for the clueless among you, this means, his b@lls have been surgically removed and put out in the sun to be dried -- mewled about the overreaching of the Indian judiciary and wanted the judges to curb their ``judicial activism``. To which, the Chief Justice politely replied that it was the duty of the Justices to rule on the validity of laws and that the government should expect some conflicts wit the judiciary in this process.

The Masanamuthus of Tamil Nadu suffer from Attention Deficit and Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and should be put on Ritalin. They have completely forgotten that just about a month before this particular strike was called by Karunanidhi, the tribunal hearing the dispute over the sharing of the waters of the River Cauvery announced its verdict. Farmers of Tamil Nadu were unhappy about getting less water than they had asked for and some politicians demanded a statewide strike to show Tamil Nadu`s displeasure. Karunanidhi at that time said that a strike would be pointless. All of a sudden, a month later, a strike seems to have struck Karunanidhi as the way to point out the intolerable injustice of recognizing the reality that having a brain is essential in the ``knowledge economy`` of the future about which his nephew Dayanidhi Maran, Central Minister for IT, harangues the public.

Consider that one of the main objections of the Supreme Court to the OBC quotas is the refusal of the government to remove the ``creamy layer`` from being able to apply for the quota seats. In Cabinet meetings following the Supreme Court`s interim ruling, the Law Minister suggested that the government should give way on this issue and agree to ban the ``creamy layer`` from being able to obtain the quota seats. Lo and behold, those professing to have the interests of the Oppressed, the Poor, the People in Chains, the Proletariat at all times in their heart, namely the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist), initially protested and then reluctantly agreed on the condition that if enough of the Proletariat were not available to fill the quotas, then the rest of quota should be filled with the creamy layer rather than being made available for the general category.

But it is Karunanidhi whose party objected flat out and absolutely refused to consider the possibility of removing the creamy layer from the quota queue. The Masanamuthus of Tamil Nadu are incapable of digesting what this means as they are all busy celebrating the 50th Year in Politics of Karunanidhi. And that is far more important than water for the farmers of the Cauvery delta or Real Social Justice.

#126 by einsteinwallah on April 14, 2007 4:07pm PT

////////They help only their kinsmen.///////

Just curious. Do u help ur neighbour`s kinsmen?

South Indians are worst discriminators in India. They help only their kinsmen. They discriminate against North Indians. They cheat in competitive exams. Entire South India should be handed over back to British. That is only way they can be civilized.

Jang,

Why the British needed truckloads of Brahmins clerks during WWII?

Tehsildar, Munsif (kinda town-clerks) & Zilla Collector were the fav jobs of the Brahmins under British. The need of manpower was there even b4 WWII. These jobs are very powerful at grassroots level. The officials are responsible for collecting land-cess, sign the land records, sign ownerships dox, involved in sale and transfer of lands. Land revenue was the bulk of British govt`s revenue. As u know primary sector was contributing to over 85% of the GDP.

As 4 sucking up, it`s implied that these revenue officials were loyal to the point of being subservient. They dont have a choice. The present day style of letter writing where u find:

1. Yours Obediently,
2. Yours Faithfully,
3. Yours Sincerely

were all originated in those days of servitude. It`s mostly the No.1 kinda wording that`s used in those days. Even worse kinda wording is `forever faithfull, your obedient servant` etc were the words used in official correspondence. I am sorry to say the same kinds language survives in the present day official correspondence also but the saving grace is we use 2 & 3 variety, mostly not 1.

#121 the largest hiring of brahmins in beurocracy actually happened during the WWII times. the british war effort needed babus by the boatloads. brahmins filled that need, and followed up by filling positions in post-independence beurocracy of public as well the the private sector..it was mostly need based not so much out of sucking up. overall, brahmin as a community has never benefited unlike some other more prominent like the muslims (police afsars of the raj), parsees, and small communities like pathare-prabhu (which are termed OBC) out of bombay. overall brahmins as a community never gathered riches.

KC,

Brahminism is not the sole preoccupation of Brahmins. You can see Mulayam`s casteism as another form of Brahminism. Brahminism is more like the word Sanskritisation (courtesy MN Srinivas). It`s just a name with Brahmin word being part of it. The people of generic castes dont intermarry/dine but still they prefer to blame somebody else. Dont we know that people of all castes carry their caste names? Was it not promoting the caste system? As u said nobody is addressing this issue. Nobody wud bcoz nobody thinks abt India as to how she`d shape-up 4/in the next 30-40 years. No visionaries!

We dont have any leader nowadays. Sonia is a reader, Manmohan - though I respect him - is more of a bureaucrat than a PM. I dont blame him for he spent all his career life as a civil servant. The pack of BJP is the pack of wolves. Left..pl dont ask me......they are demented. Who inspires us in India? None, literally. It`s not rhetoric. Plain facts.

Folio

We have been lucky that many Brahmins (Wasn`t Nehru one?) themselves have actively helped delegitimate the ideology of Brahminism. After a brief, early attempt by Gandhi (himself no Brahmin), nobody of consequence has attempted to keep caste ideologically alive by constantly re-interpreting for ever TRUER forms and versions of casteism (nor of Brahminism).

On the other hand, because of thousands of years of training (and who knows, may be selective intermarriage as well) many Brahmin communities (South Indians, in particular) have also become, on average, very intelligent, and very capable in certain fields. The force of democratization, along with the push for real `positive discrimination` has indeed hit these very capable, intelligent communities quite hard.

There is no harm in recognizing both these apparently contradictory phenomena. That will help us resolve those contradictions, and move on into the future, having learnt from the past.

The Romans bottled the imp (clergy+their religion) in Vatican. Then only Romans had the freedom to chart their own future else the whole state was servning the agenda of the clergy. Pl look at Portugal or Spain (Spain of course is a better country now). Do we have any unis of international importance in those countries? None. Did they have any contributions to the modern world. Almost zero.

It`s the Calvinism in Europe that allowed the religious Christians to come out the shackles of religion vis-a-vis commerce. On the other extreme we have clergy in England, northern Europe producing mathematical theorems. Even Christian madrasas i.e Oxford and Cambridge produced path-breaking inventions in the field of science and mathematics. Ultimately those madrasas unshackled themselves as religious schools (I am open 4 correction here).

When it comes to Brahmins esp south Indian variety, they sucked-up to the British (san a FEW nationalists) 4 jobs or otherwise. I heard that Brahmins played even skin colour card to endear themselves to the British.

P.S: I am not taking rabid ant-Brahmin stand here is bcoz I was helped at several stages in life by some persons who happened to be Brahmins. I learnt from those experiences & I helped some others irrespective of their backgrounds. The bottomline is `goodness promotes goodness`. I have childhood frens who`re Brahmins. None of them was a casteist.

Again coming back to Brahminsim: I stand by the assertion that Brahmins alone are not the champions of Bahmnism. Whoever props up castes/caste system even though they are Muslims are the champions of Brhaminism.

Sikhism was supposed to be casteless but we have many castes or para-castes among Sikhs (Jat, Ramgarhia, mazhabi Sikhs etc) as well.

AS usual we have some KKK namoonas here.

A poser 4 them. Who is a Brahmin?

Hypocrite Krishna & Haramimau,

Your true colurs (primary??) have already been exposed in # 23 above.

<<< #206 Pakistan`s Afghan Policy on October 27, 2006
Ref GT #267

[Your brother-in-religion, Harimau, is still squirming under the fact that low castes have become dominant under the rubric of Indian democracy. Are you squirming too?]

Harimau has no reason to squirm. The lower castes will not be allowed to come out of their poverty by our politicians who depend on them for votes. So they will be kept in perpetual ignorance while a few seats in professional education and a few government jobs are thrown their way, much like you throw grains to chickens.

Harimau skewers the lower castes like you guys might skewer meat for sheesh-kebabs.

Harimau walks tall, knowing full well that just by birth alone he is superior to 95% of Indians and 100% of non-Indians. That kind of self-confidence is not easy to come by.

Harimau pities mlecchas like you who have the misfortune to be born into a strange cult and who can have no exit strategy short of death. In fact, he pities mlecchas more than he pities the lower castes who at least have reservations going for them.

When I go to a roadside temple near my home for a special puja, I deliberately wear a dhoti but no upper garments. You should see what happens: the sight of the sacred thread around my torso parts the crowd who stand a respectful foot away from me so that I won`t be defiled by their touch. This in the city of Chennai after 75 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda. Hey, I like that.

The Communist minister Chakraborty in West Bengal, defending his attendance at a religious ceremony, said that he is seen as a brahmin first, a Bengali next and a Communist last.

Nope, we don`t squirm. We walk with our heads held high. Squirming is for low-lifes, such as worms on a hook. >>>

#118 by masanamuthu


[The book that you asked us to read said stuff explicitly about the incompatibility of Brahminism with technological innovation..]

That may very well be, but I did not refer to that as a reference for the ``technological innovations`` of Brahmins. In fact, I don`t think I ever used the words ``Brahmins`` and ``technological innovations`` in the same sentence.


[When you said that ``the interesting book talks about why some societies have succeeded better than others``, you failed to realise that there is another damning ``explicit`` statement in the book that ridicules ``Brahminism``.. ]

To begin with, according to your quote, the book talks about some sects of Brahminism which this guy feels may be incompatible with technological progress. Secondly, this guy is an anthropologist, with an interesting theory that tries to explain the varying degrees of achievements of societies. He is not an expert on ``Brahminism``, whatever that means.

It seems to me that in people like you, the inferiority complex runs very deep. Why are you so worked up about ``Brahminism``? Let`s suppose you are right that Brahmins are the worst people imaginable, and complete idiots to boot, with no significant achievements to speak of. Tell me, does that explain away why YOUR ancestors never achieved anything in the way of sciences and arts BEFORE any of these evil Brahmins set foot on your lands? And even AFTER they set foot on your lands, CAN YOU EXPLAIN why your ancestors were not working on their little mathematical formulae in their huts? In the intervals between the spells when armed Brahmin mobs used to come and terrorize them in their huts?

I think some introspection (meaning thinking about yourselves, NOT Brahmins) is in order. Trying to belittle Brahmins or their achievements is NOT going to increase the achievements of your people. Just like belittling the ``white man`` is not going to increase the achievements of blacks in America, in Africa, in Australia, or anywhere else.

Mr. abcd,

You said this

``..There`s an interesting book on this topic - Guns, Germs and Steel - that won the Pulitzer prize - that attempts to answer questions about why some societies have succeeded better than others. ``

I quoted this from the book,

``There is an explicit statement in page 250, `` Religions vary greatly in their relation to technological innovation: some branches of Judaism and Christianity are claimed to be especially compatible with it, while some branches of Islam, Hinduism and Brahmanism may be especially incompatible with it.``

The book that you asked us to read said stuff explicitly about the incompatibility of Brahminism with technological innovation.. When you said that ``the interesting book talks about why some societies have succeeded better than others``, you failed to realise that there is another damning ``explicit`` statement in the book that ridicules ``Brahminism``..

It is futile to convince ``Caste supremacists`` / ``Ku Klux clan`` members.. People should study cases like Harimau as specimens of such ideology..

#116 allrighty then....so non-brahmins are much worse than brahmins! bravo. so whats with all these arguments?

#115 good shyte..so brahmins are no worse or better than any other community! bravo. so whats with the ahamkar?

#113 by jang

[krishna yar, there is documented shyte that brahmins wrote paens to everyone from khiljis, lodhis, bahamanis and anyone who would grant income from 5 villages towards upkeep of the ``temple``. ]

Sure. There are self-serving types in every community - why would brahmins be an exception? But this does not mean that EVERY or even THE MAJORITY of brahmins were going around writing paens. And EVEN THAT is a whole lot better than converting to your oppressors` religion and then turning on your erstwhile fellow hindus and wanting to convert/kill them like most of the Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.


[ ask the dude who does oooom keshavay namah, madhavaya namah govindaya namah, he wont know the difference between sulabha sutra and the nada of his langot. ]

This ALSO means nothing. Most Catholics don`t understand the bible in their original language, most Muslims don`t understand the Koran in its original Arabic. The reason Brahmins are far better than either of them is they do not have to attend Church/Mosque services on schedule or read their holy books ad nauseum. The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Brahmins don`t even read their religious books, period. Of the few that still practice their priestly profession, some understand Sanskrit, some don`t.

No need for you to make a federal case out of that.


[otherwise i think we are in agreement, that brahmins although educated in shastras and puranas were ignorant about simple things like plumbing .. they knew the injuctions against cooking during menses in details but knew nothing about delivering calves and therefore ``oursourced`` it. in short, they were idiot-savants, had little knowledge of the world they lived in.. eseentially they lived in cuckooland dominated by panchagavya. ]

Einstein was ignorant of ``simple things like plumbing``, too. Doesn`t make him an ``idot-savant``, now, does it?

What kind of logic is this?


[its it absurd for you to state that brahmins were not warriors....birbal (who died in battle), peshvas, rani laxmibai and last but not the least mangal pande were all brahmins. ]

The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Brahmins were not warriors by profession. From the names you mentioned, you are contradicting your own logic that Brahmins cannot do anything useful other than repeat the sulabha sutras. The names you mentioned were of Brahmins who were all exceptional and couragious warriors.