The Hypocrisy of the Indian Leftists

as a total outsider im really curious abt ``bramin names`` - how can u tell?

Re: # 75
And of course, the Brahmins had invented the Uran Khatola in Ramayan times...

Extremely intellgent Harimau & the other Brahmins,

This refers to post #69 where you have tried to poke fun at other people (presumably SC/ST/OBC) who got names of primary colours wrong.

HOWEVER, dear intelligent Harimau,
the primary colours are Red, BLUE & Yellow as any SC/ST/OBC child will tell you. You appear to have your facts all mixed up. May be the OBC theory of colours is right and maybe your gang does happen to be wrong.Or may be you need to refer to your sacred texts. Wearing your sacred thread, of course.

Regards.

#76, ``All the innovations / inventions that have benefitted the human society were developed by White predominantly Christian men``

Wrong.

Most of the innovations that benifited humans, including guns, are invented by Chinese or other Mongol races.

Whatever buddy, save your ``sacred thread`` in the meantime. Already you guys have lost your ``kudumi``. that`s very important.. Thanks for your wishes. we`ll do fine..

Also that list was not given my me. It is from your other Brahmin buddy ``abcd``. He told that we need to look at that list and then read ``guns, germs and steel`` to know about the technological breakthroughs of Brahmins.. Unfortunately, we could not find much in either..

Ref masanamuthu #76

[Buddy,

you are just throwing a few names in a list of thousands over thousands of years. we have just got the opportunity, ask me back in 4000 A.D ( :-) ) we just started, our list will at least bigger than yours..]

You can`t even count. That list you provided has a few hundred names, not thousands.

By the year 4000 AD you Masanamuthus will be drowning in the pool formed by the circle-jerks you guys conduct. Science is NOT your forte and you know it damn well.

Why don`t you get Karunanidhi`s female descendants to follow the family profession of being devadasis? That will be one useful service you can do for the Masanamuthus and for a change, they will be getting fcuked instead of you guys.

If the total number of Indian mathematicians seems small compared to Europe, it is also because we don`t have accurate historical records and most of the work was transmitted orally rather than being written down and so has been lost.


ROFL.. our (BC/MBC/SC/ST) records have been lost too.. we invented the whole concept of mathematics and our records are lost in oral translation.. Go figure. :-)

Atleast the Ku-Klu-Klan (white supremacists) have a point. All the innovations / inventions that have benefitted the human society were developed by White predominantly Christian men.. But these ``caste supremacists`` have just ``tall claims`` to back them up..

Buddy,

you are just throwing a few names in a list of thousands over thousands of years. we have just got the opportunity, ask me back in 4000 A.D ( :-) ) we just started, our list will at least bigger than yours..

What happened to your ``sacred thread`` BTW??

#73 by masanamuthu on April 10, 2007 4:05am PT

[Hmm.. So Brahmins invented the numbers.. :-)

this list has
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/chronology.html
more than a thousand names. Can you let us know how many (and who among those ) are Brahmins..]

It looks like you can`t even read. Because the very first line in that URL says:

Note: there are also a chronological lists of mathematical works and mathematics for China, and chronological lists of mathematicians for the Arabic sphere, Europe, Greece, India, and Japan.

When you click on India (it is a clickable link), you are taken to:

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/india.html

and you get the following names:

* Baudhayana (fl. 700 B.C.E.)

* Apastamba (fl. 600)

* Katyayana (fl. 500)

* Umaswati (fl. 150 B.C.E.)

* Aryabhata (476-c. 550 C.E.)

* Varahamihira (c. 505-c. 558)

* Brahmagupta (c. 598-c. 670)

* Govindaswami (c. 800-850)

* Mahavira (Mahaviracharya) (fl. 850)

* Pruthudakaswami (fl. 850)

* Sridhara (fl. 900)

* Manjula (fl. 930)

* Aryabhata II (fl. 950)

* Prashastidhara (fl. 958)

* Halayudha (fl. 975)

* Jayadeva (fl. 1000)

* Sripathi (fl. 1039)

* Hemachandra Suri (b. 1089)

* Bhaskara (1114-c. 1185)

* Cangadeva (fl. 1205)

* Madhava of Sangamagramma (c. 1340-1425)

* Narayama Pandit (fl. 1350)

* Paramesvara (1360-1455)

* Nilakantha Somayaji (1455-1555)

* Sankara Variar (c. 1500-1560)

* Narayana (c. 1500-1575)

* Jyesthadeva (fl. 1550)

* Acyuta Pisarati (c. 1550-1621)

* Putumana Somayaji (c. 1660-1740)

* Jaganath Pandit (fl. 1700)

* Sankara Varman (fl. 1800)

In 700 BCE. the ONLY name you have is Baudhayana.

The only three names that leap out at you as being not of Brahminical origin are Sankara Variar (c. 1500-1560), Acyuta Pisarati (c. 1550-1621) and Sankara Varman (fl. 1800). Of these, Sankara Variar and Acyuta Pisarati would be Ambalavasis, a sect of Kerala brahmins.

Exactly what were the Masanamuthus of Tamil Nadu doing in 700 BCE and what prevented them from musing on the mysteries of the universe? Do you think Baudhayana enrolled at some university and got a fake degree like you guys do today? How come there is no Nedunchezhiyan or Masanamuthu in that list, even in the year 2007? And why is it that the Chennai Mathematical Institute (CMI) asked for and received affiliation with Bhoj University in Madhya Pradesh rather than the local University of Madras? Is it because it wouldn`t have to admit OBC candidates just because they are OBCs? (CMI recently was recognized a university on its own.)

If the total number of Indian mathematicians seems small compared to Europe, it is also because we don`t have accurate historical records and most of the work was transmitted orally rather than being written down and so has been lost.

Since you SC/ST/MBC/OBC guys have had a free run of the educational system in the form of quotas since 1950, can you tell us exactly how many Nobel Prizes and Fields Prize in Mathematics you guys have won? How about the number of Fellows of Royal Society who belong to the above-mentioned groups?

I am all for doing self analysis, after we kill the Bamman and remove his scourge from Hindu society.

There is no need for violence against anyone. You attack the ``idea`` and not the ``people who follow the idea``.

Krishna_abcd

Hmm.. So Brahmins invented the numbers.. :-)

this list has
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/chronology.html
more than a thousand names. Can you let us know how many (and who among those ) are Brahmins..

Can you be more specific about ``guns, germs and steel``.. ??.

Harimau,

Is this real or what?.. dude, what happened to your ``caste superiority``.. I thought you boasted of your ``sacred thread``. Did someone cut that already??.. looks like ``kaliyug`` has arrived.. :-)

#66 by stuka

[I am all for doing self analysis, after we kill the Bamman and remove his scourge from Hindu society. ]

I always suspected you to be a dalit/SC/ST trying to hide his identity.

Killing us is not going to be possible. Because that would require effort and brains on your part. I say just take that handout and try to suck up to Pakis who might throw you a crumb or two.

#68 by masanamuthu

[While it may be true that in the pre-colonial past, the Brahmins had not been generous in sharing the knowledge that THEY, THE BRAHMINS, had THEMSELVES developed, it is also true that nobody was preventing the OBS/SC/STs from developing their own mathematics, astronomy and so on. But they never did. Any answers as to why?

Hmm.. I`d be interested to know the ``knowledge`` with any practical use benefitting the society developed by Brahmins. over the last thousands of years.. ]


Okay. I`ll give you a small example.


The decimal number system (base 10) works as follows:

256 in decimal = 2 * (10 ** 2) + 5 * (10 ** 1) + 6 * (10 ** 0)

Thousands of years later, the BINARY(base 2), the Octal (base 8), the Hexadecimal (base 16) etc. number systems were developed in the West from this concept:

110 in binary = 1 * (2 ** 2) + 1 * (2 ** 1) + 0 * (2 ** 0)

Both the hexadecimal and the binary number systems have revolutionized human society, in their use in computers.

The decimal number system revolutionized the western world (when they learnt it from the Arabs, who learnt it from us). The west had thus far not been able to comprehend the number 0.

That`s for a start. If you really want to know about the contribution of Brahmins to human society, read up on their contributions to that hardest of sciences - mathematics - on which all of modern science rests. Here`s a couple of links to get you started:

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/mathhist/chronology.html (see how many Brahmins you can spot)

http://india_resource.tripod.com/mathematics.htm


From a more recent period, you might want to read up on Ramanujan, considered the greatest mathematician of his time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

You might want to read up on Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, another Brahmin.

A lot more info is available on the net. Check it out.



[Hmm.. So I skimmed the book,.. There is an explicit statement in page 250, `` Religions vary greatly in their relation to technological innovation: some branches of Judaism and Christianity are claimed to be especially compatible with it, while some branches of Islam, Hinduism and Brahmanism may be especially incompatible with it.``

never really proves Brahmanism was responsible for technological innovations. What was your point?.. Let us know of page numbers or chapters where we can find the relevant info.

Even Harimau (I believe) would get offended if you say he was not a ``caste supremacist``.. :-) ]



I think you should read the whole book. That book is not a treatise on Brahminism.

Ref krishna_abcd #61

[I think Harimau is not a caste supremacist.]

Ref masanamuthu #68

[Even Harimau (I believe) would get offended if you say he was not a ``caste supremacist``.. :-)]

Harimau is willing to let Brahmins compete on an equal footing with the rest of society. In fact, he is DEMANDING that the law of the land recognize nothing except merit.

It is the Masanamuthus and Bhagwan Dases who ascribe special intellectual powers to Brahmins, plead their inability to compete against such brilliant minds and demand protection from intelligence in the form of quotas who are the true caste supremacists who acknowledge the intellectual supremacy of Brahmins.

Ref krishna_abcd #61

[...While it may be true that in the pre-colonial past, the Brahmins had not been generous in sharing the knowledge that THEY, THE BRAHMINS, had THEMSELVES developed, it is also true that nobody was preventing the OBS/SC/STs from developing their own mathematics, astronomy and so on. But they never did. Any answers as to why? How about an answer to this, eh, masanamuthu? How about it, Okhla? Any answers?]

Come on, give some credit to the OBCs.

A couple of years back, in Tamil Nadu the answer key to a question paper in Physics declared Red, Green and Yellow to be the primary colors. So, what if the white man has told us since the 17th century that Red, Green and Blue are the primary colors? The OBCs have developed THEIR OWN version of theory of color. Hopefully, the free TVs being delivered to the Masanamuthus of Tamil Nadu have three color guns for Red, Green and Yellow!

While it may be true that in the pre-colonial past, the Brahmins had not been generous in sharing the knowledge that THEY, THE BRAHMINS, had THEMSELVES developed, it is also true that nobody was preventing the OBS/SC/STs from developing their own mathematics, astronomy and so on. But they never did. Any answers as to why?


Hmm.. I`d be interested to know the ``knowledge`` with any practical use benefitting the society developed by Brahmins. over the last thousands of years..

.. There`s an interesting book on this topic - Guns, Germs and Steel - that won the Pulitzer prize - that attempts to answer questions about why some societies have succeeded better than others.


Hmm.. So I skimmed the book,.. There is an explicit statement in page 250, `` Religions vary greatly in their relation to technological innovation: some branches of Judaism and Christianity are claimed to be especially compatible with it, while some branches of Islam, Hinduism and Brahmanism may be especially incompatible with it.``

never really proves Brahmanism was responsible for technological innovations. What was your point?.. Let us know of page numbers or chapters where we can find the relevant info.

Even Harimau (I believe) would get offended if you say he was not a ``caste supremacist``.. :-)

Ref jang #65

[#63 abcd, as far as i know, brahmins were not doing any hard sciences before the british showed up. they mostly did astrology, some accounting, teaching, pooja, chefs and so on. they were not involved in smithy, bulding trades, irrigation, medicine, carpentary, textile manufacturing, dye making and so on. so, i dont see why you would argue that brahmins hold some kinda legacy for participating in hard sciences?]

The terrific competence of thousands of years of craftsman`s work by the OBCs is vividly demonstrated in this picture:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070409/capt.sge.nhb22.090407142817.photo00.photo.default-512x331.jpg?x=380&y=245&sig=99Uq.AXpWJacO5XsDwchKQ--

Without any legacy in hard sciences, and despite practicing only mumbo-jumbo through astrology and pooja for three thousand years, brahmins have won two Nobel Prizes in Physics.

You got anything else to say? Particularly about that photo?