God is a Metaphor

GhalibZaman,

GhalbZaman Saheb, thanks for the video. It came as a surprise though that it is made and distributed by MMA, who had kept a 'proper' distance during the actual episode and most of their leaders were in London attending the APC at the time.

That is, except one. The MNA Shah Abdul Aziz who was there in person trying to get inside till the very end.

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Dear Anil,

Whose human Mind you want me to worship?

Yours, Dr. Sohail`s, Einstien`s, Hitlers`, Gandhi`s or mine......gengis khan`s?

This is ignorance at its height

God the best creation of human mind......so is the weather....?

or you claim that science understands the weather, then why it has failed to control it and why they are crying for global warming and why physics they talk about butterfly effect.

Donot go so high on science as it is still largely nothing but bunch of theories when you start discussing something as abstract as God.

So instead of start worshipping your mind, or an idol make your life more simple? fail to understand why you cannot believe in one God with the entirety of what you understand and what you donot.

Re: # 193

Mamoon Sahib:

Belief in one God is your minds creation for you.

Many people need to create an abstraction, be it a belief in One God, or belief in idols. I am not one of them.

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dear anil....can you share milestones of the evolution of your philosophy....sincerely sohail

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Sohail Sahib:

Love to share milestones, however this thread is coming to end. On your next thread. Like you evolved yourself into calling a metaphor, that has intrigued curiosity in me too, and love to know your evolution.

Re: # 200
dear anil....i am still curious so write to me at

welcome@drsohail.com

feel free to see my website

www.drsohail.com

sincerely sohail

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Mamoon Sahib:

``Whose human Mind you want me to worship? ``

This is a very good question. One`s own mind... that is all. Your counter on weather being creation of human mind... is an example of what one`s mind can produce. Indeed, societies who relied on agriculture in the past did worshipped weather, not because weather was their minds creation. Their mind created a helplessness if the weather was not good.

Khalid Suhail Sahib:

``Is man the best creation of God, or is God the best imagination of man?``

Carl Sagan in one of the parts of the TV documentary COSMOS, had quoted from Riga Veda.

After all these years I too believe in this question. And my conclusion is that God is the best imagination of man.

Man imagines God to be the way he/she wants to suit the moment, as the authority to give, to take, to problem unsolvable or afflictions, and many many more possibilities for which human knowledge is incapable of providing solutions or answers. It thus becomes the last belief, beyond which reasoning cannot work. Those areas from Planck`s Constant in quantum mechanics to spiritual healing where only uncertainty prevails.

Therefore, if anything, human mind should be worshipped and believed in.

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dear zeemax....i thought we had agreed to be mutually respectful....sincerely sohail

secondly,

isnt it logical to believe in the one who believes in you.

Mushammad (PBUH) believed in jews and christians (except that jesus is not a son of GOD). He seeked help for his comrades from a Christian emperor who after listenning to them said indeed Muhammad is a prophet of God.

Muhammad did fought with some jewish tribemen who supported the non believers of quraish due to the power game but he never called for war against any jew or Christian or asked them to become a muslim with force. His was only the way of reasoning.

WHat he expected, requested and reasoned was that God is one and he is a prophet of God. simple isnt it?

He did criticise some of the illogical practices of Christians and jews though which in no way undermine their religion. It is the same as criticising a wrong policy in its historic account regarding a country or a social group. much the same as Muslims are criticised and is correct if seen only in its contemprary context. something like that......

Similarly as mentioned in Quran, the fight was against the ones who did not believe Muhammad but also ridicule his message and preferred to retain their ignorance. The fight was not to have power but to convince and spread the message of truth.

In today`s world a simple click on internet may do the job. Thus trying to relive a similar color of muslim struggle in contemporary times can easily be argued as far less effective and in most cases irrelevant.

Today, due to economic and social development, countries as states work based on efficiency, trust and responsibility and not entirely based on self interest. Though existence of hegemonic foreign posture by some as well as corporate race of interests still trap us into a debate rational and progressive individuals in societies would best like to avoid.

So trust is the whole game and mutual respect is the missing link. secularism seems only a logical step forward. Education and universal wisdom is only to follow. Time is the only real judge here as we behave most times as if world is the same as it is 100 or even thousand or sometimes millions of years ago.

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dear mamoon...in spite of our ideological and philosophical differences we can agrre upon
..
...secular laws are the first step towards global harmony

and

...education and universal wisdom will follow

thank you for your detailed comments...sincerely sohail

````now i

believe that religion needs to be a private affair and state law needs to be based on secular

and humanist priciples so that all citizens have equal rights and privileges.sincerely sohail```````


Now that is a correct assertion. And it is in no way a contradiction to theology and minute details of religious practices. Law of the land in contemporary world should be secular where as you say every one has equal rights irrespective of their set of beliefs or what have you. Secular laws are the first step to global harmony and welfare as well as combined human quest to unravel further truth and mystery of life.

``` if you

were born in a christian or a jewish or a hindu family what would you have believed in?

most muslims that i met never understood the meaning of the holy book they believe

in...how sad...don`t you think people need to understand the book they would like to follow

in their life and discover the right interpretation````

Dear Dr. Sohail

I try to believe in the truth. The Islamic definition of the muslim is to say this:

Allah (God) is one (most logical acceptance of a fact)

Muhammad is the prophet of God (again most logical historic conclusion)

Now I am a muslim.

I belive in jesus. Now i am a muslim again.

I believe in Einstein and admire him dearly. and there is much more to belive in . Again I am muslim (simply put a believer in truth). That is the effort for all of us. Find truth and believe in it . Or atleast be near to the truth.

Eienstein The Genius has this to say to us who could now only read him...

(I have no idea where my ideas come from).
(knowledge is limited and Imagination encircles the whole universe)
*He realised as always a marvelous genius he was that God exists and he had a very defined idea about God sometimes much the same way a Muslim reasons).

So Dr. Sohail you donot have to find reasoning of God from a theologian. Read Einstein you would find ample and rich hints.

```````my request to all believers in GOD is to share with me their encounters with GOD...being a

student of human psychology i have a great interest in such mystical encounters....if they

did not have any encounters that means that their belief is based on a blind faith...````


Dear Dr. Sohail,

I did have elobrate and a bit out of usual encounters and shades of exposure. Though it is quite complicated than to be simply put here. WHat I can say is that I have a greater understanding about the philosophy of life. Though suffice to say: Imagination is an encounter to God in open day light anytime at any place.

You are right that some have blind faith and it is upto me and you and like ones to explain to such individuals the philosophy rather than confuse them by suggesting that God is the creation of our mind.

There is a stark difference between creation and realisation. Muhammad realised and not created God. Hence all the prophets of God (some critical analysis may tell us the definition of prophets ) realised the existence of God (as I defined subtly in earlier posts) not created God.

However many do try to create something of God out of things which is illogical. Thus to end the confusion which still entails us regarding a simple realisation, Muhammad and earlier prophets made a very humble request to beilive in One God (one force) and tried to argue that they themselves are only humans and only a mode to realise the fact that Allah exist.

ALlah says in Quran: There is everything where you can have the proof of Allah.

Yes some minds can see beyond what may an average eye see in it surroundings and find the patterns of his abstract being in a more eloborate and astonishing manners.

It is much similar to your experiences that you mustvehave `realised` that climate is changing, you have realised that like any other human or living organism you age, you have realised that fire can do many jobs, you have realised many and many more........But indeed it would be unfortunate if you have not realised that what simple message of truth some one of the most humble and kind people realised and worked all life to let the others know sacrificing everything they pertain: time, power and resources.

Or you would like to realise it yourself. Then seek it in your own way. Donot create God for yourself dr.Sohail and make an effort to realise it on your own turf which indeed would be if i may say a better scenerio rather getting confused yourself while trying to help out some less logical individuals.

We can have further discussions . Best