God is a Metaphor

Re: # 56

To most people yes. But I am certain you have done worse. Just a hunch. First to always cast stones, judge others etc...

Besides to you screwing your sister should be no big deal to you. You never answered my post about first cousin marriages across generations that results in sibling like marraiges. Alot of these first cousins grow up like brother and sister and are genetically related like siblings. Yet because is is sanctioned in Islam it is okay. Make a family tree of it and show it to most people. They will want tp throw up. Besides isn`t it also okay for you to marry your niece? Most people/cultures globally would find that abhorrent but again coz its santioned by Islam it is okay for you. What`s you next beef? Lemme guess Pedophilia? Please we don`t have to go there do we...

Dr. Sohail, why are you even replying to zeemax - lol. Please read his other posts and you will know what and who he really is.

#52 truemind,
The bulk of the society`s (admittedly confused, shifting-rationale) opposition to intergenerational sex and even to sex between minors, is rooted at least ostensibly in concern for the protection of minors, who are deemed incapable of making reasonable and safe decisions the pleasurable use of their bodies.

The opposition, as it may be, to sibling sexual relationships is not characterized by similar concerns. The opposition is plainly irrational, and biology is only disingenuously invoked. See, if biological imperative, as understood, were to be the basis of our `body-politic`, homosexuality would have remained illegal for much longer than it did. After all, from a strictly biological standpoint (not anthropological, though) homosexualty would appear to offer no benefit to the survival of the species.

The fact is biology is not God anymore.

I feel that the answer to our sexual desires is answered in Darwin’s Natural (sexual) Selection. Our bodies are survival machines for our genes. In order for the genes to continue they have to move out of the host machine and a build a new one which is where sex comes into it. So sex is really a process for our genes to continue like that has in all of us. For those of us reading this our gene string ha never been broken from the being of life on this planet. Now that said there really has never been a rule as to what age sex should be permitted but incest yes since inter breeding has shown us the problems which evolve. Even most plants avoid it. Now society has religion and laws have created guidelines for us to live by and follow in order to build a functional society. We see in today’s world a clash of such laws and beliefs as to what the right age is and who with etc. Today societies put more pressure on humans which requires education and maturity that it makes sense to wait to later years for having children. In times when all there was to do was farm to survive for example maturity seemed to come at a younger age it seemed. Now with the need for better education and more wealth times adjust and conflict surfaces. Today with hormones in foods we eat are just one explanation for earlier development in children and attraction to the opposite sex can be notice in a draw to younger people. It is wrong naturally wrong to find a young person under the age of 16 attractive? not at all but in our society we have to understand the consequences of our actions and respect and act according to what is right for the society we live in.

if Adam and Eve story is to be believed, one of adam`s sons screwed one of his sisters ....so this whole humanity is nothing but paennchodaN da kabila.

God is a metador (that old wagon) that everyone wants to ride and take advantage of.

Dr Sohail,

Zeemax would probably suggest appropriate punishment would be stoning of them. He is a good Muslim and afterwords will enjoy deflowering his 72 virgins.


Dear Zeemax,

Just a reminder raping a kafir or slave girl is A-okay!

It`s jsut a matter of time before liberal democracies, taking the cue from South Asian societies, will legalize not only marriage between first cousins, disgusting as that seems to 95 percent of Westerners today, but also between siblings, which is disgusting to 99% today.

And ten years from now that will raise only as many eye-brows as gay unions and polygamy-in-Pakistan do today.

Learn to live with it like mature adults now!

Paul Tillich from Systematic Theology,

``projection always is projection on something--a wall, a screen, another being, another realm.... The realm against which the divine images are projected is not itself a projection. It is the experienced ultimacy of being and meaning. It is the realm of ultimate concern``

#43 by Folio

... how the mankind multiplied to over 6 billion people? ...

I don`t know. Do you know? If you do, and your obvious conclusion is that it must be through incest, then you support the couple. Right? But then, I thought you just said in your previous post that incest (even cousin marriage) results in retards. So by the same token, the entire six billion population must be all retards. No?

I think it`s better if you let Dr. Sohail answer the question. This question is not in your league (neither is it in his, but never mind). I`m just having fun ...... :~)

Re: # 44

Zee,

I am not saying that all the 6 bio people are having it in a wrong way. If ur religious text didnt give a clear answer abt the multiplication of mankind from time of the first couple then make ur own conclusions.

Inbreeding is common in ancient times. Ur own ancestors (since u r not a descendent of Ganga Ram) i.e arabs did inbreed a lot. The literature of Hindu mytholgy didnt give detailed record of any incestous relations except that of the Yama and Yami (in the previous post I meant to say that Hindu religion is not far behind; `not` is missed in that post). Even in Old Testament there`s a ref to a daughter giving wine to her father and sleeping with him.

We in 21st century are all past those events....German couple is an exception. Pl treat that incident as an exception.

P.S: Instead of having fun with learned people here, why dont u go to Happy Valley, Stanley Village, Lantau Island or Macau?

Re: # 44

dear zeemax....you spelled it out....`i am just having fun`....you are insisting for a response.

what would i do if i find out that someone who is an adult is having sex with a sibling or a

parent. what would you do? put them in jail. stone them to death. penalize them and give

them 100 lashes.

for me sex is a private matter between two consenting adults. i am not a judge. nor a qazi.

i do not represent law nor religion. i follow my own ethics and my conscience and let others

follow their own conscience. what that man and woman do is their business. i do not make

it mine. you seem to be interested in their sex life. and now insisting that i give a verdict

and a fatwa. what you are trying to prove is that secular humanists and atheists are

immoral people and only religious people are moral people. as a psychotherapist i know

that religion and ideology are poor reflections of personality and behaviour. religious

people as well as atheists can be moral or immoral people. i respect people who have

character and are sincere to their philosophy.

dear zeemax....you keep on insisting to get an answer from me so that you can have fun. i

hope you are happy now. i am amused by your persistence...sincerely sohail

ps....now you tell me what would you do with this couple who had incest?

Re: # 44

Dr. Sohail is a learned man who makes valuable contributions to his community. He does not have time to interact with dimbulbs who have too much time on his hands and and is just biding his time on Earth till he goes to Jannat and frolicks with 72 virgins. In the meantime he must rail against sexual improrieties.

#40 by GT ,

No no. They were married and registered as husband and wife. Then the Marriage Registry Clerk found out they were actually brother/sister and canceled their marriage license, due to anti-incest laws. Now they`re fighting to get that back to maintain a licit sexual relationship.

But Dr. Sohail will never respond. He doesn`t have an answer and everyone knows it ... :)

drsohail,

Any comments on post #16?

Re: # 38

dear khurrum....i enjoy reading your responses but i do not want to get into intellectual

debate. we agree on most things and disagree on some. i respect people`s truth based on

their own experiences and reasoning. some truths are subjective while others are objective

and can be experienced by others. i have not seen or experienced God. I had accepted him

as a blind faith. later on i realized that such blind faith was shared by millions of other

religious people. now i read holy books as part of the mythology and folklore. i was

fascinated when i read old testament and realized that how many stories of quran and old

testament were the same as they were all part of middle eastern mythology. when i

translated world folktales in urdu i saw the similarities in different cultures and realized

that before sciece, psychology and philosophy became popular people followed their

religious traditions and did not question or criticize as it was prohibited in their culture. i am

aware that you have come to different conclusions than mine. i am sharing my ideas and

my philosophy. some might agree with me, some might disagree and for some it might be

an inspiration to explore further. i am not here to convert anyone. i am here to share.

thank you once again for your keen interest in the article and a thoughtful response. my

main point is that we can read holy books as wisdom literature and not make them into

cook books and make laws in a theocratic state and then persecute others who do not

agree with our literal interpretations. people have the right to believe in whatever they wish

as long as they do not impose on others. for me God is a metaphor, if you have

experienced HIM / HER / It i would love to hear your encounters with GOD...sincerely sohail