God is a Metaphor

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Just a small clarification in case you start off on the wrong track:

The German brother/sister couple is fighting for the right to a sexual relationship and NOT the right to have children from that sexual relationship.

Now please respond.

Thanks.

Re: # 37

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#37 by zeemax on April 10, 2007 5:33am PT
.... #35 ....

Just a small clarification in case you start off on the wrong track:

The German brother/sister couple is fighting for the right to a sexual relationship and NOT the right to have children from that sexual relationship.

Now please respond.

Thanks.
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I posted this question long back on some other board. Pl do respond Zeemax.

Allah/Jehovah/Jesus created this world and gave life to Adam and Eve. How they multiplied?? Any idea????

The ONLY plausible combinations are:

Adam`s children haveing `it` with with their parents OR the siblings having `it` among themselves.

Since u are not a Ganga Ram but descendent of a true Muslim u must answer as to how the mankind multiplied to over 6 billion people?

P.S: Hindu mythology is far behind! Yama and Yami (siblings) had incestious relation.

My opinion on Gemrany`s odd `couple`:

The case u r asking came into news becoz, it`s not a normal incident. Germany doesnt allow such relations by law.

This world is full of surprises. There are people with three hands, 11 fingers (Hritik Roshan), two heads & there are people who had no head i.e You.

Re: # 37

Zee:

I am a bit confused here. These guys are asking the courts for the RIGHT to have a sexual relationship? I never thought that you need the court`s permission to have sex! Now `marriage` could be a different matter as one may want to get it `certified` for reasons pertaining to taxes, childrens` education, punishments in the case of `infidelity`, bequests etc.

wasif2,

Hehe .. what did you expect?

#26 by drsohail,

...especially when other interaters have answered your question more eloquently...

Hehe ... Dr. Sahib you`re a slippery fish. Which interactors have answered my question?

My question can only be answered in a simple yes or no. No further verbosity required.

Are you willing to answer it? Or guide me to the `other` interactor who has answered it?

oh sorry... i didnt notice. he (dr sohail) has indeed come bacak and chosen not to answer. what a shame !

#22 Zee

I think Dr Sohail is not answering because he hasnt come back to read the inter act yet. I am looking forward to his comment/reply, because I think it will be most entertainting. In the meanwhile.... may I say a word.

Why do all answers to the issue of incest relate to marriage and reproduction ? Can we simplify please ? Is there anything wrong with the sexual act itself ?.... assuming that no offsprings are produced and no disease is transmitted ?? As for myself, while I do not feel attracted to any of my brothers/sisters or parents etc (sexually) I dont have a problem with others having that attraction and consumating it......(i am not touching other issues, like free consent, adulthood since i think they remain constant whether its incest or not....but i am assuming we are talking about consenting adults).

Also, marriage between maternal cousins amongst muslims is ok...not so in certain christian sects... so even between religions this incest thing doesnt look like its of universal application....or agreement....

Re: # 30

Dr. Sohail - Is it proven that those who follow and die following their ancestors` religion or leanings are less content than those who find their own path?

Finding one`s own path is a huge undertaking in itself. Requires a lot of committment and drive. It`s not an easy investment for many worldly beings.

{i think time has come for people to question those ideologies and let their own hearts and minds guide them based on their own observations and experiences and reasoning rather than blindly following their ancestors.}

I partially agree with you. I have a very sweet old friend who did explore his own religion. He was raised by a Muslim father and a Christian mother. He came across a woman during his university years in California and started visiting her church. He felt more at peace in the church than what he was taught while growing up. He decided to change his path from one religion to another. He did not give up on the concept of God, but he was looking for peace and serenity that he expected religion to provide to his soul. He has three kids now. He is a very loving father, a kind man and a good husband. In this case, his exploratory journey steered him from one religion to another. He was still searching for the God he could connect with. His father was very upset with him for years, but being the fact that he was the only son and they lived on different continents he could not completely write his son off. My point is that one`s search may bring one back to God. I respect the journey since it`s a very personal thing, but I do not necessarily agree that it`s our fear or dream or desire that has created an illusion -- God. I believe it is in us to either accept the presence of a higher being or deny it. I am not a ritualistic being from any angle. I strongly believe in being the sponge to let the spirit soak in and soul embrace the concept. Keeping that in mind, I am not in concurrence with the concept of illusion. I am not trying to conduct a literal interpretation of a ``metaphorical`` concept. You may have referred to illusion in a methaphoric sense.

You have discussed the miracles of Jesus and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I am surprised you did not include Moses and Solomon (my favorites). King Solomon had everything in life one could ever imagine, desire and pray for. He never denied the presence of a supreme being. In fact, some of the stories from his times can easily make one fall in love with myths, folk tales, human goodness, blessed hearts, wisdom, and character.

The concept of God is a very personal thing. I agree that as we mature and evolve that concept has a different significance for each of us on an individual level. I am not sure if it`s a blonde moment or I guess I have not yet been there where parallels are easily drawn between a concept and an illusion of this level.

Over here, I find ourselves confined in the mind space. What about the contact of that mind with the heart to create a connection ? It seems that we are living on a planet where we only function based on our mind`s leanings. I did not say that I disagree with that direction, but I am curious to learn why our hearts are disengaged in the process.

Re: # 29

dear zahraj...i am a student of human psychology. it is my impression that children are

conditioned by their families and schools and communities and are asked to have blind faith

in certain traditions. as adults they have the choice to question those beliefs. unfortunately

most people not only accept the faith of their parents but also die on those faiths. i think

time has come for people to question those ideologies and let their own hearts and minds

guide them based on their own observations and experiences and reasoning rather than

blindly following their ancestors. that is the beginning of enlightenment and wisdom. such

wisdom not only leads to freedom of religion but also freedom from religion.....

sincerely sohail

Dr. Sohail -

So, God is a metaphor for what ?

Re: # 27

Of the Sun:
Helios (Greco-Roman)
Mithras (Roman)
Ra (Egyptian)
Amaterasu (Japan)
Tonatiuh (Aztec)
et al.

Of the Moon:
Diana (Greco-Roman)
Artemis (Greek)
Coyolxauhqui (Aztec)
Khons (Egyptian)
Ix Chel (Maya)
Sin/Nanna (Sumerian)
et al.

Of Thunder:
Thor (Norse)
Raiden (Japanese)
Jupiter (Roman)
et al.

Of Kings or Rulers:
Alexander the Great (Greek)
Augustus Caesar (Roman)
Jehovah (Hebrew) ``our Elohim, King of the Universe``
Jesus (Greek) ``King of Kings``
Allah (Arabian) ``Malik (King)``
Stalin (Russian) ``Red God``
Kim Il-sung (Korean) ``In place of a god, Juche substitutes Kim Il Sung, who`s called North Korea`s ``Eternal President``...``
et al.

Are you sorry that you asked??

Re: # 32

Thank you for sharing a list of your gods. I think you misunderstood my question. It was in reference to the writer`s perspective. The writer has clarified that for me. No worries :)

Re: # 27

dear zahraj...God is a metaphor for human fears and desires and dreams....projected on to

self created image of unknown mystery ....sincerely sohail

If god ever ever turned out to be anything like the muslim allah..I will personally punch that bizzatch right in the mouth..

now that the obvious has been stated for Masadi and Peemax`s consumption, you do bring an interesting point dr. Sahib...that is the inability for adults to get over Allah ala the tooth fairy. I think the reason is that tooth fairy was a loving entity..she left a dollar for each tooth and her governance over her domain was universally applied. She rules with love. allah on the otherhand rules with fear and exclusion. ``Verily those that equate him with monkeys should be beheaded`` etc etc... If allah ever stopped being a petulant little biyatch, maybe she would get the same love from all that the tooth fairy gets.

chall yaar ohday ton sunn laiN jawaab...par toon mann`na phir vi nai.:) jatt wali aRhi.