God is a Metaphor

#22 Zee

I think Dr Sohail is not answering because he hasnt come back to read the inter act yet. I am looking forward to his comment/reply, because I think it will be most entertainting. In the meanwhile.... may I say a word.

Why do all answers to the issue of incest relate to marriage and reproduction ? Can we simplify please ? Is there anything wrong with the sexual act itself ?.... assuming that no offsprings are produced and no disease is transmitted ?? As for myself, while I do not feel attracted to any of my brothers/sisters or parents etc (sexually) I dont have a problem with others having that attraction and consumating it......(i am not touching other issues, like free consent, adulthood since i think they remain constant whether its incest or not....but i am assuming we are talking about consenting adults).

Also, marriage between maternal cousins amongst muslims is ok...not so in certain christian sects... so even between religions this incest thing doesnt look like its of universal application....or agreement....

oh sorry... i didnt notice. he (dr sohail) has indeed come bacak and chosen not to answer. what a shame !

#26 by drsohail,

...especially when other interaters have answered your question more eloquently...

Hehe ... Dr. Sahib you`re a slippery fish. Which interactors have answered my question?

My question can only be answered in a simple yes or no. No further verbosity required.

Are you willing to answer it? Or guide me to the `other` interactor who has answered it?

wasif2,

Hehe .. what did you expect?

.... #35 ....

Just a small clarification in case you start off on the wrong track:

The German brother/sister couple is fighting for the right to a sexual relationship and NOT the right to have children from that sexual relationship.

Now please respond.

Thanks.

drsohail,

Any comments on post #16?

Re: # 38

dear khurrum....i enjoy reading your responses but i do not want to get into intellectual

debate. we agree on most things and disagree on some. i respect people`s truth based on

their own experiences and reasoning. some truths are subjective while others are objective

and can be experienced by others. i have not seen or experienced God. I had accepted him

as a blind faith. later on i realized that such blind faith was shared by millions of other

religious people. now i read holy books as part of the mythology and folklore. i was

fascinated when i read old testament and realized that how many stories of quran and old

testament were the same as they were all part of middle eastern mythology. when i

translated world folktales in urdu i saw the similarities in different cultures and realized

that before sciece, psychology and philosophy became popular people followed their

religious traditions and did not question or criticize as it was prohibited in their culture. i am

aware that you have come to different conclusions than mine. i am sharing my ideas and

my philosophy. some might agree with me, some might disagree and for some it might be

an inspiration to explore further. i am not here to convert anyone. i am here to share.

thank you once again for your keen interest in the article and a thoughtful response. my

main point is that we can read holy books as wisdom literature and not make them into

cook books and make laws in a theocratic state and then persecute others who do not

agree with our literal interpretations. people have the right to believe in whatever they wish

as long as they do not impose on others. for me God is a metaphor, if you have

experienced HIM / HER / It i would love to hear your encounters with GOD...sincerely sohail

Re: # 37

Zee:

I am a bit confused here. These guys are asking the courts for the RIGHT to have a sexual relationship? I never thought that you need the court`s permission to have sex! Now `marriage` could be a different matter as one may want to get it `certified` for reasons pertaining to taxes, childrens` education, punishments in the case of `infidelity`, bequests etc.

Re: # 32

Thank you for sharing a list of your gods. I think you misunderstood my question. It was in reference to the writer`s perspective. The writer has clarified that for me. No worries :)

#40 by GT ,

No no. They were married and registered as husband and wife. Then the Marriage Registry Clerk found out they were actually brother/sister and canceled their marriage license, due to anti-incest laws. Now they`re fighting to get that back to maintain a licit sexual relationship.

But Dr. Sohail will never respond. He doesn`t have an answer and everyone knows it ... :)

Re: # 37

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#37 by zeemax on April 10, 2007 5:33am PT
.... #35 ....

Just a small clarification in case you start off on the wrong track:

The German brother/sister couple is fighting for the right to a sexual relationship and NOT the right to have children from that sexual relationship.

Now please respond.

Thanks.
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I posted this question long back on some other board. Pl do respond Zeemax.

Allah/Jehovah/Jesus created this world and gave life to Adam and Eve. How they multiplied?? Any idea????

The ONLY plausible combinations are:

Adam`s children haveing `it` with with their parents OR the siblings having `it` among themselves.

Since u are not a Ganga Ram but descendent of a true Muslim u must answer as to how the mankind multiplied to over 6 billion people?

P.S: Hindu mythology is far behind! Yama and Yami (siblings) had incestious relation.

My opinion on Gemrany`s odd `couple`:

The case u r asking came into news becoz, it`s not a normal incident. Germany doesnt allow such relations by law.

This world is full of surprises. There are people with three hands, 11 fingers (Hritik Roshan), two heads & there are people who had no head i.e You.

#43 by Folio

... how the mankind multiplied to over 6 billion people? ...

I don`t know. Do you know? If you do, and your obvious conclusion is that it must be through incest, then you support the couple. Right? But then, I thought you just said in your previous post that incest (even cousin marriage) results in retards. So by the same token, the entire six billion population must be all retards. No?

I think it`s better if you let Dr. Sohail answer the question. This question is not in your league (neither is it in his, but never mind). I`m just having fun ...... :~)

Re: # 44

Dr. Sohail is a learned man who makes valuable contributions to his community. He does not have time to interact with dimbulbs who have too much time on his hands and and is just biding his time on Earth till he goes to Jannat and frolicks with 72 virgins. In the meantime he must rail against sexual improrieties.

Paul Tillich from Systematic Theology,

``projection always is projection on something--a wall, a screen, another being, another realm.... The realm against which the divine images are projected is not itself a projection. It is the experienced ultimacy of being and meaning. It is the realm of ultimate concern``

Re: # 44

dear zeemax....you spelled it out....`i am just having fun`....you are insisting for a response.

what would i do if i find out that someone who is an adult is having sex with a sibling or a

parent. what would you do? put them in jail. stone them to death. penalize them and give

them 100 lashes.

for me sex is a private matter between two consenting adults. i am not a judge. nor a qazi.

i do not represent law nor religion. i follow my own ethics and my conscience and let others

follow their own conscience. what that man and woman do is their business. i do not make

it mine. you seem to be interested in their sex life. and now insisting that i give a verdict

and a fatwa. what you are trying to prove is that secular humanists and atheists are

immoral people and only religious people are moral people. as a psychotherapist i know

that religion and ideology are poor reflections of personality and behaviour. religious

people as well as atheists can be moral or immoral people. i respect people who have

character and are sincere to their philosophy.

dear zeemax....you keep on insisting to get an answer from me so that you can have fun. i

hope you are happy now. i am amused by your persistence...sincerely sohail

ps....now you tell me what would you do with this couple who had incest?

It`s jsut a matter of time before liberal democracies, taking the cue from South Asian societies, will legalize not only marriage between first cousins, disgusting as that seems to 95 percent of Westerners today, but also between siblings, which is disgusting to 99% today.

And ten years from now that will raise only as many eye-brows as gay unions and polygamy-in-Pakistan do today.

Learn to live with it like mature adults now!