Khalid Sohail April 8, 2007
#49 Posted by eastmwest on April 10, 2007 11:10:12 am
Dr Sohail,
Zeemax would probably suggest appropriate punishment would be stoning of them. He is a good Muslim and afterwords will enjoy deflowering his 72 virgins.
Dear Zeemax,
Just a reminder raping a kafir or slave girl is A-okay!
#50 Posted by dullabhatti on April 10, 2007 11:17:56 am
God is a metador (that old wagon) that everyone wants to ride and take advantage of.
#51 Posted by dullabhatti on April 10, 2007 11:25:38 am
if Adam and Eve story is to be believed, one of adam`s sons screwed one of his sisters ....so this whole humanity is nothing but paennchodaN da kabila.
#52 Posted by Truemind on April 10, 2007 11:41:16 am
I feel that the answer to our sexual desires is answered in Darwin’s Natural (sexual) Selection. Our bodies are survival machines for our genes. In order for the genes to continue they have to move out of the host machine and a build a new one which is where sex comes into it. So sex is really a process for our genes to continue like that has in all of us. For those of us reading this our gene string ha never been broken from the being of life on this planet. Now that said there really has never been a rule as to what age sex should be permitted but incest yes since inter breeding has shown us the problems which evolve. Even most plants avoid it. Now society has religion and laws have created guidelines for us to live by and follow in order to build a functional society. We see in today’s world a clash of such laws and beliefs as to what the right age is and who with etc. Today societies put more pressure on humans which requires education and maturity that it makes sense to wait to later years for having children. In times when all there was to do was farm to survive for example maturity seemed to come at a younger age it seemed. Now with the need for better education and more wealth times adjust and conflict surfaces. Today with hormones in foods we eat are just one explanation for earlier development in children and attraction to the opposite sex can be notice in a draw to younger people. It is wrong naturally wrong to find a young person under the age of 16 attractive? not at all but in our society we have to understand the consequences of our actions and respect and act according to what is right for the society we live in.
#53 Posted by PM on April 10, 2007 11:53:04 am
#52 truemind,
The bulk of the society`s (admittedly confused, shifting-rationale) opposition to intergenerational sex and even to sex between minors, is rooted at least ostensibly in concern for the protection of minors, who are deemed incapable of making reasonable and safe decisions the pleasurable use of their bodies.
The opposition, as it may be, to sibling sexual relationships is not characterized by similar concerns. The opposition is plainly irrational, and biology is only disingenuously invoked. See, if biological imperative, as understood, were to be the basis of our `body-politic`, homosexuality would have remained illegal for much longer than it did. After all, from a strictly biological standpoint (not anthropological, though) homosexualty would appear to offer no benefit to the survival of the species.
The fact is biology is not God anymore.
The bulk of the society`s (admittedly confused, shifting-rationale) opposition to intergenerational sex and even to sex between minors, is rooted at least ostensibly in concern for the protection of minors, who are deemed incapable of making reasonable and safe decisions the pleasurable use of their bodies.
The opposition, as it may be, to sibling sexual relationships is not characterized by similar concerns. The opposition is plainly irrational, and biology is only disingenuously invoked. See, if biological imperative, as understood, were to be the basis of our `body-politic`, homosexuality would have remained illegal for much longer than it did. After all, from a strictly biological standpoint (not anthropological, though) homosexualty would appear to offer no benefit to the survival of the species.
The fact is biology is not God anymore.
#54 Posted by HasanMahmood on April 10, 2007 12:35:20 pm
Dr. Sohail, why are you even replying to zeemax - lol. Please read his other posts and you will know what and who he really is.
#55 Posted by Folio on April 10, 2007 1:07:11 pm
Re: # 44
Zee,
I am not saying that all the 6 bio people are having it in a wrong way. If ur religious text didnt give a clear answer abt the multiplication of mankind from time of the first couple then make ur own conclusions.
Inbreeding is common in ancient times. Ur own ancestors (since u r not a descendent of Ganga Ram) i.e arabs did inbreed a lot. The literature of Hindu mytholgy didnt give detailed record of any incestous relations except that of the Yama and Yami (in the previous post I meant to say that Hindu religion is not far behind; `not` is missed in that post). Even in Old Testament there`s a ref to a daughter giving wine to her father and sleeping with him.
We in 21st century are all past those events....German couple is an exception. Pl treat that incident as an exception.
P.S: Instead of having fun with learned people here, why dont u go to Happy Valley, Stanley Village, Lantau Island or Macau?
Zee,
I am not saying that all the 6 bio people are having it in a wrong way. If ur religious text didnt give a clear answer abt the multiplication of mankind from time of the first couple then make ur own conclusions.
Inbreeding is common in ancient times. Ur own ancestors (since u r not a descendent of Ganga Ram) i.e arabs did inbreed a lot. The literature of Hindu mytholgy didnt give detailed record of any incestous relations except that of the Yama and Yami (in the previous post I meant to say that Hindu religion is not far behind; `not` is missed in that post). Even in Old Testament there`s a ref to a daughter giving wine to her father and sleeping with him.
We in 21st century are all past those events....German couple is an exception. Pl treat that incident as an exception.
P.S: Instead of having fun with learned people here, why dont u go to Happy Valley, Stanley Village, Lantau Island or Macau?
#56 Posted by zeemax on April 10, 2007 1:28:49 pm
#45 by eastmwest,
Screwing your own sister is a sexual impropriety?
Screwing your own sister is a sexual impropriety?
#57 Posted by zeemax on April 10, 2007 1:52:07 pm
#47 by drsohail,
...for me sex is a private matter between two consenting adults...i am not a judge. nor a qazi. i do not represent law nor religion. i follow my own ethics and my conscience and let others follow their own conscience.
Thanks. I have my answer. So for you sex is a private matter in between two consenting adults even if they`re brother/sister, and I assume you would legalize it since you`re neither a judge nor a qazi nor do you not represent any law. So you support the brother/sister in their fight to have a licit sexual relationship because they`re following their own conscience.
Very good. You`ve been honest and I salute you for that.
ps....now you tell me what would you do with this couple who had incest?
It`s kind of strange you ask what I would do, after having said you do not represent any law nor religion and you follow your own ethics and your conscience. I would do the same.
So then we agree after all!
As to what I would exactly do, I would kick their butts for destroying the entire institution of family and marriage and kids to raise in a social set-up, and not in a set-up of monkeys and hyenas in a jungle. Wasn`t it you who had said that humans have `evolved`?
But I have my answer, and I thank you again for that. Thankfully, it wasn`t as esoteric as I had feared :)
:~)
...for me sex is a private matter between two consenting adults...i am not a judge. nor a qazi. i do not represent law nor religion. i follow my own ethics and my conscience and let others follow their own conscience.
Thanks. I have my answer. So for you sex is a private matter in between two consenting adults even if they`re brother/sister, and I assume you would legalize it since you`re neither a judge nor a qazi nor do you not represent any law. So you support the brother/sister in their fight to have a licit sexual relationship because they`re following their own conscience.
Very good. You`ve been honest and I salute you for that.
ps....now you tell me what would you do with this couple who had incest?
It`s kind of strange you ask what I would do, after having said you do not represent any law nor religion and you follow your own ethics and your conscience. I would do the same.
So then we agree after all!
As to what I would exactly do, I would kick their butts for destroying the entire institution of family and marriage and kids to raise in a social set-up, and not in a set-up of monkeys and hyenas in a jungle. Wasn`t it you who had said that humans have `evolved`?
But I have my answer, and I thank you again for that. Thankfully, it wasn`t as esoteric as I had feared :)
:~)
#58 Posted by eastmwest on April 10, 2007 1:52:19 pm
Re: # 56
To most people yes. But I am certain you have done worse. Just a hunch. First to always cast stones, judge others etc...
Besides to you screwing your sister should be no big deal to you. You never answered my post about first cousin marriages across generations that results in sibling like marraiges. Alot of these first cousins grow up like brother and sister and are genetically related like siblings. Yet because is is sanctioned in Islam it is okay. Make a family tree of it and show it to most people. They will want tp throw up. Besides isn`t it also okay for you to marry your niece? Most people/cultures globally would find that abhorrent but again coz its santioned by Islam it is okay for you. What`s you next beef? Lemme guess Pedophilia? Please we don`t have to go there do we...
To most people yes. But I am certain you have done worse. Just a hunch. First to always cast stones, judge others etc...
Besides to you screwing your sister should be no big deal to you. You never answered my post about first cousin marriages across generations that results in sibling like marraiges. Alot of these first cousins grow up like brother and sister and are genetically related like siblings. Yet because is is sanctioned in Islam it is okay. Make a family tree of it and show it to most people. They will want tp throw up. Besides isn`t it also okay for you to marry your niece? Most people/cultures globally would find that abhorrent but again coz its santioned by Islam it is okay for you. What`s you next beef? Lemme guess Pedophilia? Please we don`t have to go there do we...
#59 Posted by zeemax on April 10, 2007 1:59:48 pm
#55 by Folio
Pl treat that incident as an exception.
:) Same sex marriage began as an exception too. Now it is a socially accepted norm. This case is in the highest court in Germany. This will be a norm too in due course. Will you be happy with it?
I suppose the more sisters one has, the more they will support it ... all in the family ... you know .. :)
Pl treat that incident as an exception.
:) Same sex marriage began as an exception too. Now it is a socially accepted norm. This case is in the highest court in Germany. This will be a norm too in due course. Will you be happy with it?
I suppose the more sisters one has, the more they will support it ... all in the family ... you know .. :)
#60 Posted by eastmwest on April 10, 2007 2:02:09 pm
Re: # 57
So you would kick their butts huh? Most people would lynch a fiftysomething guy having sex or screwing a nine year old but it sounds good to you.
What don`t you shut up with your hypocritical moralizing. Most socieites thinks a family is ONE man and ONE woman not one man and an assortment of women he sleeps with. Yuck! But it is totally normal to you.
So you would kick their butts huh? Most people would lynch a fiftysomething guy having sex or screwing a nine year old but it sounds good to you.
What don`t you shut up with your hypocritical moralizing. Most socieites thinks a family is ONE man and ONE woman not one man and an assortment of women he sleeps with. Yuck! But it is totally normal to you.
#61 Posted by eastmwest on April 10, 2007 2:04:49 pm
Re: # 59
Too funny comeing form a guy who believes Allah approves of sex with multiple virgins in hte afterlife and a prophet who promises young boys as beautiful as pearls...
It never ceases to amaze me of how oblivious people like you are to normal family values.
Too funny comeing form a guy who believes Allah approves of sex with multiple virgins in hte afterlife and a prophet who promises young boys as beautiful as pearls...
It never ceases to amaze me of how oblivious people like you are to normal family values.
#62 Posted by khurram on April 10, 2007 2:50:34 pm
Re #58,
``...Besides isn`t it also okay for you to marry your niece..``
Nope. That is not allowed.
``...Besides isn`t it also okay for you to marry your niece..``
Nope. That is not allowed.
#63 Posted by khurram on April 10, 2007 2:55:21 pm
Re #39, drsohail,
``...i do not want to get into intellectual debate...``
As you wish :-)
But, one last question,
``...some truths are subjective while others are objective ..``
Is your statement, ``God is a metaphor`` an objective truth or subjective one?
Thanks
``...i do not want to get into intellectual debate...``
As you wish :-)
But, one last question,
``...some truths are subjective while others are objective ..``
Is your statement, ``God is a metaphor`` an objective truth or subjective one?
Thanks
#64 Posted by drsohail on April 10, 2007 4:24:50 pm
Re: # 63
dear khurrum....i am impressed by your perceptions and enjoy your intelligence. to answer
your question honestly GOD IS A METAPHOR is my subjective truth. i also think that all
poems and stories and scriptures and folktales created by mystics and poets and prophets
were also their SUBJECTIVE TRUTHS.
as a poet and a writer all my truths are subjective truths. i asked you if you care to share
your encounter with GOD and then tell me whether it is a subjective or objective truth. i
will take it seriously even it is a subjective truth as i believe you are an honest person.
sincerely sohail
dear khurrum....i am impressed by your perceptions and enjoy your intelligence. to answer
your question honestly GOD IS A METAPHOR is my subjective truth. i also think that all
poems and stories and scriptures and folktales created by mystics and poets and prophets
were also their SUBJECTIVE TRUTHS.
as a poet and a writer all my truths are subjective truths. i asked you if you care to share
your encounter with GOD and then tell me whether it is a subjective or objective truth. i
will take it seriously even it is a subjective truth as i believe you are an honest person.
sincerely sohail
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