With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

As much as I dislike BJkumar and his tactics, I condemn KPLD`s personal attacks on BJKumar... We must not mirror his tactics to defeat his lies.

BJkumar knows he is fighting a losing battle. No point giving him an excuse to distract the whole discussion. For all we know KPLD is BJkumar himself.

#577 by Salim_Chauhan

“Your insensitive and cavalier treatment of Mohajir issues betrays your own considerable bigotry and hatred. We all know how you feel about the Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh.”

So now that you have no answer to what I said about your so called issues, you start your trademark abuses. I don’t feel anything about people in Bangladesh you call stranded Pakistanis. If they are Pakistanis then every soul living in Bangladesh is Pakistani.

Btw, now that MQM has the power to make or break an administration in Pakistan, why those Biharis are still in Bangladesh? How much effort has MQM put in to bring them back? I have not heard a peep from MQM since they have taken over the Governorship in Sindh and some cities about those unfortunate people in Bangladesh.

Why can’t the all powerful MQM, that can collect Bhata allover Karachi and supports all the Mobile phone and car thieves in Karachi, bring those Biharis to Pakistan?

#593
Yeah! it is a natural process and thats exactly what happened. Bhawalpur and Rahim Yar khan in punjab have plenty of Mohajir as they were initially hired by the Amir or Nawab of Bhawalpur and their relatives followed them there. Those mohajir now speak excellent sariaki and adopted the culture( they still speak urdu at home) no one can tell the difference.

I don not think Mohajir term was started just in 70`s.......I guess it goes way back to the era of Partition................

anil

Yes, Salim has proved that he has the ability to keep this board cool. Ofcourse he has shown his calm, composed and collected attitude by engaging fully with all of us.

Most of the time, FP writers do not engage with their readers............

But, Salim took his precious time out and made this board a really vibrant and lively board.

Salim Sahib:

You should be complemented for the efficiency, tact and humor you have shown to manage this board. Your father-in-law must be very happy to find you to manage his business.

Mantolives:

2. Even after applying the principle to districts unconstitutionally, Congress` machinations keeping the Muslim Majority district of Gurdaspur in India (and you can`t call the Ahmadi card here because law is interpretted according to the period and not the subsequent changes thereto... and besides all Ahmadis voted in Pakistan`s favor along with Christians of Gurdaspur).

ROFL.. Don`t you think Radcliffe / Mountbatten predicted the future so well that they knew ``Ahmadiyas are going to be non-Muslims`` and awarded the non-Muslim majority province to India.. :-)

Salim,

Nice try, my friend, but not even close to the truth. No, there was no attempt to emulate the Holy Prophet`s (PBUH) hijrat from Mecca to Medina or to make Ansaars out of the ``Pisser-e-Zameen.`` In fact, the word Mohajir (capital M) is vaguely traced to the 1970s and 80s, when the persecution of people of Indian ancestry gained momentum.


Is it true that ``Mohajirs`` as a term was started just in 70s??. It is hard to believe..

Salim Mian

Suppose, Altaf Bahyya becomes the next PM of Pakistan, what are the chances of HIm taking Pakistan to a level of a really progressive country, with low corruption, less feudals and more respect for an average Pakistani citizen?

Care to share.

Salim Mian
Wow!!!

Huge success!!!

592 posts and still the topic is the hottest of all the topics on chowk.....

Keep it up. Congratulations!!!

Unbelievable , just unbelievable...........

salim:

Mohajirs in Karachi:

Could it be that Mohajirs went to Karachi for the same reason that most Indians go in Canada to Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. The first UP Muslims who went to Pakistan were the bureaucrats who were asked to go there to set up the new government. It would be natural thereafter for their relatives and friends to follow them to that city.

Just a speculation on my part.

It`s a good portrayal of sheer mataruaa mentality with no ground under its feet. He could not differentiate even between `country` and `state`. Pakistan is not a country but a federation born at midnight of August 14, 1947, by the instrument of Indian Independence Act passed by the British Parliament. In 1971, the Eastern wing of this Federal State reverted to its country-hood to render Mataruaa mohajirs as stateless people lost in wilderness in consequence of their treachery with the sons of the soil. They behaved not as `Mohajirs` but as selfish `Ghus Bethie` who considered themselves to be the rightful owners and rulers of the Pakiland like Israelies in Palestine. Their agenda in East-Pakistan failed miserably with dire consequences for the Pakiland, but it is working well presently in the remaining part of the land because of its division in various ethnic entities and the huge headless machine called `Pak Army` being maneuvered by `M in Wardi`. As it is the Pakiland would ever remain at the cross road until it finds its true moorings, i.e., whether it is to remain a federation like earstwhile Soviet Union or to become a motherland (Watan or Des) equally for all its inhabitants like Russia or Bangla Desh, shedding off its Mohajar phobias and selfish agendas as we are almost all mohajirs with various timings of arrival in this world.

...also please read my #32 and #62



I am posting verbatum # 62

Denials
Abuse
Rheotorics......and more rheotorics...

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/publ.html

lists some interesting research papers..

Mohajir Demand

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

Mohajir Population

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-pop.html

How Mohajirs became Rich


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-rich.html

Discrimination against sindhi language


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-sindhi.html

Who Ruled Whom by Paleejo

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/who-ruled.html


Entho politcs and contending Elites

http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/document.nsf/(httpPublications)/49E58DAD1F9390B680256B6500565470?OpenDocument

this is a United Nations Research Institute for Social Development Publication


But the relevant portion , was taken from

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

which is a part of the Sindh Democrats Group Petition ``Sindh Case``, a petition filed by Sindh Democrats Group to the Supreme Court of Pakistan in response to the MQM Constitutional Petition No 46 of 1994, claiming discrimination from the federal and Sindh provincial governments. It discusses Muhajir complaints at some length.



The relevant portion Para 8 Gives some interesting figures

8. MQM leadership and its suporters are only representative of 22.64% population of Sindh and 5% population of pakistan. This ``electoral representation`` of people who hold far more jobs (78% Government and 67.7% non-Government) than their due share (22.64%), most of whom come and go whenever they like from India, most of whom are illegal immigrants, have the temerity to demand, and then to kill and burn when such absurd demands are not met, only because, perhaps, one of their grandfathers waved a Pakistani flag 50 years ago in the streets of Junagadh.



These were also corborated by the Paleejo`s article , link for which is already given.



the full case along with its Judgement can be downloaded from here..

http://www.sanalist.org/Acrobat/SDG-CASE.pdf


it shatters many a myths.



before you dismiss, it as hot air again...

Re: # 583

`` army and the security apparatus of the kanjars ``


Pray tell me, whereand who is/was Faheem Commando, javed Langra,Saulet Mirzas, the various TT`s, Chootas, kun-tutas, Bullets, heros,Kanas, .....etc..etc..etc.....and....etc......


I guess all of them , belonged to the `` Appartusof the Kanjars...`.....Right...!!

Re: # 583

`` army and the security apparatus of the kanjars ``


Pray tell me, whereand who is/was Faheem Commando, javed Langra,Saulet Mirzas, the various TT`s, Chootas, kun-tutas, Bullets, heros,Kanas, .....etc..etc..etc.....and....etc......


I guess all of them , belonged to the `` Appartusof the Kanjars...`.....Right...!!

Re: # 583

`` informed people ``



heck I have Lived through that...!!

Re: # 583

and please acknowledge , the GREAT MOHAJIR Alienation is self inflicted, since it is confined to ONLY Two cities of this god forsaken country.