With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

andOn Jamia hafsa Issue, I am with you, its a state , managed Affair, to divert attention from OTHER pressing problems.

Re: # 584

I have said earlier, 70% of the Mohajirs, went to karchi, the rest 30% , which again is a substantial Number , choose to remain elsewhere...


heck even Khanewal or Sahiwal, arranges for One of the most eagarly awaited, annual Musharia .

#582, Aquaris,
My friend, please realize that you are refuting your own arguments with conflicting facts. First you state that the overwhelming majority of Mohajirs went to Karachi to take advantage of the empty capital city with evacuee property ready to be looted. Then you claim that a substantial number of Mohajirs settled in Punjabi cities and became assimilated - were the latter ones so obviously that stupid? Were the refugees arriving from East Punjab also so stupid as to NOT go to an empty capital with easy evacuee property waiting there to be taken? Come on, you are making no sense at all. :)

Amazing how great you are in reading the minds of young and old Mohajir women from Delhi, wearing their shuttlecock white burqas, greedily speeding toward the waiting trains to take them to Karachi where they can open the KSE and get rich by gobbling up evacuee property waiting there to be had. Aquaris, please stop this hot air, before we start calling you Vaporis. :)

#581 Aquaris {``
PS it appears , you have no Idea of the ground realities, and all your information is based on .... secondary sources to the secondary sources...:}

Aquaris,
Let`s let some really informed people shed some light on this issue of Mohajir alienation. Aasif Bhai and NYcoolest have provided some very specific and factual information about Karachi, MQM, and the Pakistan Army actions during the terrible days of the early 90s. I have noticed that whenever these two have appeared, HP and Chacha Buttees have conveniently gone AWOL to avoid further embarrassment. So, please enjoy there posts from Unplugged - very relevant to our topic:


#20 by nycoolest on April 16, 2007 3:11pm PT
,,,MQM is not the only creation of dictator. PPP, PML-N, PML-Q and a long list to follow. Only when MQM try to break away with dictators and army started two operations against them, arrested and kill/encounter many and do huge propogenda against them under sarkari umbrella. The party supported by army don`t get such a `royal` treatment.

agreed with aasif, even lahore; the strong hold of Nawaz shareef showed no support for him, why would karachiites who suffered badly in his and bibi`s rule would come forward to support them when they need it the most.

It is shameful. Kidnapping and extra judicial murders must stop. The things you are claiming in punjab is what karachi wallahs were facing prior to musharaf rule since past 10 years. The large scale protest should come from where it is actually happening .... i.e Punjab and from the parties who are representing the people who are allegedly getting treated like this.. too bad topi dramas like Jamia hafisa is getting all the attention instead from the issues like these.

If the elected officials from PPP, PML, MMA etc are not doing the job, perhaps you guys need to look for MQM or create a reprsentation of your own intellectuals and middle class if mistrust of MQM is huge, to have your message go across.


#15 by Aasif on April 16, 2007 10:18am PT
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don`t expect karachiites to come out in support of elected dictators like besharif or budnazeer.. both unleashed campaigns of terror and extra judicial killings, kidnappings in karachi... using the army and the security apparatus of the kanjars...
the whole country was silent (actually it blamed mqm and it still does) then as it is now over the unjustified killings and kidnappings of `terrorism` suspects...
karachi for the first time in its history is getting some of the revenue it generates and the results are for ev1 to see...
mqm is anti military rule in principle but for now is playing its cards carefully.. that is all a minority party can do...
unlike ameer-ul-momimeen besharif who himself along with IJI a creation of the napak army.... and so was the feudal pseudo populist bhutto....
jamia qabza is a symptom of the lawlessness created by the feudal/army/ fundoo connection... and provides a good mauqa for some tamasha
...
rule of law should be supreme but ground reality is quite different.. ``}

Re: # 561

`` The reason that Mohajirs did not blend in or assimilate is that, other than the Punjabi speaking ones (e.g. some Delhi SaudageraaN, many from Haryana`s Panipat and Gurgaon areas), most did not feel welcome in West Punjab. Many were directed to trains waiting to take them to Karachi. Tell me, why would people from the interior, from lush landlocked areas of India, want to go to the desert, the coast to start new lives?`


..... this arguments cannot be substantiated with FACTS, since there is a considerable , well integrated and assimilated Mohajir population, every where , including Punjab.
needless to remind Walton was in Lahore.

...my guess is , the LURE of econimic activities, in the THEN Capital, and relatively Empty City, with a Large Port in an already developed City, as compared to the Over crowded
Punjabi Cities , also the relatively eassy access to claims for EVACUE Property , was the overwhelmingly forcefull reason.

... this claim, to boarding them to TRAINs heading for Karachi, is farfetched, No one could force , Unless and Untill the willingness is there, as again I repeat ,a considerable number of the well integrated Mohajir Population in the cities of Punjab refutes it...

Re: # 561

LOL

Do you have any Idea, who designed those forms and why...!!


... they were designed by the BABOOS , early in the formative years, basically to settle
evacue property issues, ........and the informations were for cross checks....we all know
what happened to the evacue property don`t we.

Unfortuntely, ......... these items, were Left In, call is malicious intent or whatever, and then
ZA Bhutto`s notorious Quota System.
which was actually the result of a Unique Situation, where there was a Sharp and distinct
Urban-Rural divide, with practically no representation from the Rural side in the system
....[ affirmative action ...] to bring a sembalance to the imbalance, orignally for a limited period, but ....have been extended , ever since, even in the present Govt, which is whole and sole controlled by the Mohajirs.... I wonder why,.....!! yes there was a token, objection to it, by the MQM in the assembly but later On they agreed to it......!!
[...... as it has given then..... ONE More cause to keep beating the stick.....]....


PS it appears , you have no Idea of the ground realities, and all your information is based on .... secondary sources to the secondary sources...

.......you live in turkey, some of your relatives live in Pakistan, and the hear say, from these sources, moulds your opinions.....!!... yes you do claim to visit Pakistan on ...........[.........tourist Visa .....] for a couple of days or weeks at best....I presume.

#570 Ranjit {``Salim, are you a ghar jamai?``}

Dear Mr. Ranjit,
No, my wife and I live in our own apartment. But the building is owned by my father-in-law. :) I am married to my cousin and my father-in-law heads the company started by his wife`s grandfather or my own great grandfather. Confused? :) Enough about me. Let`s focus on the topic of the article. Thanks. :)

Devkant #569,
Dear Mr. Devkant,
My paternal grandfather migrated from Jaipur, Rajasthan to Karachi, Pakistan. :)

klpd, BJKumar, Ranjit,
Thank you for your speculation concerning my father-in-law. No, he is not Pakistani and certainly not a PPP. He has never set foot in India or Pakistan. He is a Turk. BJ Bhayya could not be my father-in-law because the kind and gentle Bihari Babu is too sensitive, too sober, and extremely considerate. :) OTOH, Hamidum Sahib, if he didn`t speak any Urdu, would make me very suspicious .... :)

#565 HP {``#565 by HP on April 16, 2007 10:20am PT
Post # 564 is a proof that mohajirs have no issues in Karachi.. ``}

HP,
Your insensitive and cavalier treatment of Mohajir issues betrays your own considerable bigotry and hatred. We all know how you feel about the Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh. For your information, consulates are established between countries on a reciprocal basis. People having to travel in person to Islamabad or New Delhi create personal hardships, especially when there is no process for obtaining visas by mail.

The quotas in Sindh that discriminate against urban dwellers in favor of rural ones are unique in that there is no such distinction in Punjab, NWFP, and Balochistan. Aasfi Bhai has pointed this out in the past, but you keep circumventing the real issue. The acquisition of guns by Mohajirs was a desperate response to the various armed gangs of drug lords, ethnic goons, and political favorites unleashed on Karachi and its citizens during the days of Zia.

I don`t want Sindhis to starve. I just want them to realize that by choking the Mohajirs off from education, employment, and other opportunities, they are encouraging the Mohajirs to become mohajirs once again. The substantial emigration of Mohajirs from Pakistan to US, UK, Australia, and the Middle East is a huge loss for Pakistan, and in the long run will hurt the Sindhis. Mohajirs have been a very positive influence in liberating poor Sindhis in their struggle against fellow Sindhi vaderas and cruel feudal lords. Please try to be more compassionate and less jingoistic. :)

Re: # 575
that`s salim`s problem not mine - but you know what they say: hide the face with a flag and......

Yaar klpd, bjkumar`s daughter probably looks like a female gandhi......

Re: # 572
does that mean salim has been screwing bjkumar`s daughter?

Re:bj
[..Of course, Salim has never considered the possibility that his father-in-law may indeed be actually visiting this site, using an innocuous nick, like ``bjkumar``! ...]

A bihari settled in Turkey? Wonders will never cease....

I thought his father in law was a Paki Punjabi Paindoo settled in Turkey....:-).....given his hatred of PPPs.....hehe

#570 (add on)

Of course, Salim has never considered the possibility that his father-in-law may indeed be actually visiting this site, using an innocuous nick, like ``bjkumar``!

#570 Ranjit

Abey Ranjit, that`s a low blow! Salim has NEVER hidden the fact that he is a ghar-jamai!