With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

Re: # 470 ranjit
[...That is the typical mohajir - virulent to the core against hindus...]

Good points... the wheel has turned full circle... now that mohajirs got a$$es kicked by punjus, they have started to love hinuds... :)

The good thing is - 60 years of history has taught many valuable lessons to the peoples of the subcontinent... chips have fallen where they have... it`s pretty clear who won and who lost.... what is right and what is wrong...

People like BJ must understand that...

Friends,
Breaking my own rules, but I think the following thread started by Gujju and my addition are relevant to this forum - that`s stretching it a bit. :)

Salim is like Jesus

Started by Prashant009 on April 14, 2007 9:52pm PT

Just the way hatemongers insulted, tortured and crucified Jesus, Salim too is the target of hateful people. They insult him, mock him, abuse him - and yet Salim stays unwavering in his quest for the truth and universal brotherhood. Just like Jesus came back from the dead, Salim too comes back again and again, every single time he gets banned by his enemies. Just like Jesus, Salim stays true to the mantra of love thy enemy, offering the other cheek to his attackers, some of who express desires of wanting to defecate on his poor late grandmother`s bones. God bless Salim and give him the strength to persevere in this orgy of hate that is chowk.


Gujju Betay,
Thank you for your excellent perspective.

Some other parallels to the Greatest Story Ever Told:

Gujju - St. John
Kaalchakra, Hamidum, and Drlokraj - three wise guys from the East.
Zeena - Mother Mary
Ass Lame - trying to play Mary Magdelene, but not totally reformed yet.
Madame Flatulence - Ugly hag in front row knitting a sweater for T-Bhai (sorry wrong story)
Chacha Buttees (aka Char Sau Bees) - Pontius Pilate :)
Sanatani - Roman soldier with spear and very short skirt showing sore rectum.
BJKumar - 1st crucified person giving company
Anil - 2nd crucified person giving company
NYCoolest - St. Peter
Ali_1 - Judas
Atif2 - Donkey that Jesus rode into Jerusalem:
Khamakhwa - Jewish faggot dancing with joy at the crucifixion on Via Dolorosa
Aquaris - Barabbas
DM Sahib, Burpy, and Dullabhatti - three dumb guys from the North
HP - Caesar
Folio - St. Paul
Stuka - Pharisee
Ranjit - 2nd Roman soldier with spear and long skirt to hide shortcoming
HisExcellency - 3rd Roman soldier with spear and no skirt
Kamal Sahib - Sympathetic and wise Rabbi
Nauman72 - Learned Greek
Chaltahoo - Maker of the crown of thorns
FarzanaVersey - The Goddess Athena (yes, she was watching, too :)

Other positive interactors - disciples waiting to spread the gospel
Other negative interactors - spectators enjoying the crucifixion
Chowk Staff - The Holy Ghost

Re: # 428
[... there is an there is an intrinsic flaw in the idea of democracy, i.e. the will of the majority. i.e. the will of the majority. ..]

Yep - you got that right... democracy in intrinsically flawed... there is no gurrantee against tyranny of majority... hinuds were going to tyrannize muslims and partition saved them, at least the ones who made it to pakiland...

But that`s NOT main reason why pakiland was created...The main reason was islam... Like J-man himself said - pakiland was born the day first woman from present-day punjab was r@ped by an invader...

Don`t let KC and Salim question the very foundation of your country...

#454 BJ Kumar:
Mr. Kumar, You are an articulate and eloquent person and you have the ability of presenting your case in the best possible manner. In this respect you resemble MA Jinnah. But you are different from Jinnah in a sense that he relied more on common sense and his approach was more pragmatic and appealing to a common man. You, on the other hand, are a more intellectual sort of a person. Your reasoning is based on idealism but it doesnot goes all the way to the logical culmination of idealism, i.e. an utopia of humanism.

[Yaar, that is one exceptionally well-written post! Needless to say – you have rightly pointed out that the power of the pocketbook overrides all. You also indirectly (and perhaps unintentionally) prove that in the absence of economic bonding, other factors (religion, etc.) can hold out only for so long as uniting agents of a country.]

Without doubt the economic factor is the single most important factor in any social or political phenomena. But is it the only factor? What do you want for yourself? Is it all about money? If you as an individual desire more than mere economic well being then the society is nothing but an assemblage of individuals and it may also have some other goals besides economic well being of its members.

[Is Pakistan more likely to break up now than in 1972 – you tell me! if the answer is no more or no less – then it also proves that the presence of such integrity did not help create much in terms of any bonding of the national identity!]

I agree that we are going through a difficult time due to rampant fundamentalism and provincialism but in my humble opinion, all the provinces of Pakistan being territorially contiguous, and all its citizens bonded together by common history, religion and civilization, there is no chance of any further break up. Actually Pakistan is a federation and we need to implement the true spirit of federalism to remove the grievances of smaller provinces.

[This “will of the majority” business to break-up a country has no less legitimacy when applied to the distinct Pakistani provinces than how it applied between the Hindu and Muslim “constituencies” prior to partition – when even the geographical separation was diffused!]

This is the gist of your argument but I am afraid it falls short of the ultimate idealistic concept of an utopia of humanism and internationalism with maximum autonomy at a parish or municipality level. I would like to formulate an equation here:

Step-1 All humans are alike and there is no difference between individuals on the basis of geography, religion, ethnicity, language and culture.

Step-2 People are different on the basis of geography. And all territorially contiguous areas should be merged together to form a nation state irrespective of religion, ethnicity, language or culture.

Step-3 People are different on the basis of geography, religion and civilization and those territorially contiguous areas where people from one religion or civilization have a dominant majority should constitute a nation state.

Step-4 People are different on the basis of ethnicity, language and culture and the world should be divided accordingly.

You’ve drawn a line on step-2, I have drawn a line on step-3 and Mr. Salim Chauhan would probably like to draw a line on step-4.

I haven’t met anyone yet who would accept the step-1 except a few Marxists. I like the ends that the Marxists seek, i.e. a classless and stateless society but I abhor the means applied to that end, i.e. the dictatorship of the proletariat.

#445 HisExcellency {``Punjab has never seen violence of that kind either before 1947 or after it. ``}

Your Excellency,
I agree with you - because Punjab`s brave soldiers have been busy committing that kind of violence in East Pakistan, Baluchistan, Karachi, Hyderabad, NWFP, Gilgit, Baltistan, and the interior of Sindh. :( Before 1947, the Sikhs, under Maharaja Ranjit Singh, imposed the rule of law and order, called Sikhashahi. All the violence was happening in what is now NWFP and Afghanistan. :)

#446 Ali_1,
Thank you for your visual contributions. I don`t think that your textual information is either accurate or sincere. :)

PPPs like you are the major reason for MQM`s success in Karachi and Hyderabad. Please do continue with your PPP ``humor`` and racist utterances, especially on UP. :) We need to increase MQM membership and PPPs like you are providing an invaluable service. Thanks. :)

Zeena #448 {``#448 by Zeena on April 14, 2007 3:09pm PT
Salim Mian
If, you can share with us. What is the exact agenda and stand of MQM?
Is it only for Karachiitis? Or Is it for the whole nation?
Thanks``}

Zeena,

While no expert on the subject, I do know that MQM changed its name from Mohajir Qaumi Movement to Mottahia Qaumi Movement. It has decided to contest elections in all of Pakistan. From what I have heard here, MQM won some seats in AK.

Here is their website: http://www.mqm.com/
Please form your own opinions. :)

anil #445 {``I used to feel honored, and in all honesty would get involved to help resolve, only to find them on the same side and arguing with me.``}

Anil Bhai,
Having no sisters and just two brothers, I have a totally different experience. My second brother would simply beat me up until I agreed with whatever he wanted. But there is a God - I haven`t had a drink for almost two years and his liver looks more and more like Urstruly`s face.

Folio #450 {``Sorry Saleem,
That`s my mistake. I did it reluctantly. ``}

Folio, my good friend,
No problem, buddy. It`s just that this is FP - the upper house, the Senate, the House of Lords! ...and I myself am an invited guest. Thanks for understanding and cooperating.

Harimau #451 {``I subscribe to the theory that Motilal Nehru was impotent and Jawaharlal was actually the son of a Muslim friend of the family who frequented Anand Bhavan.``}

Dear Harry,
So you are the ``webshyster`` of the ``Sword of Truth`` website? :)
You guys also claim that Feroze Gandhi was no Gandhi, but a Khan. Rajeev Gandhi was the son of a Muslim as was Sanjay Gandhi. That Nehru was more Muslim than Urstruly. :)

Either these Muslims are acting like rabbits or the rumors of the many benefits of suntans are true. :)

Re: # 477


`` gal samaj aa gai tay roola kee
Ram, Rehman tay mollah ke``



Bhulleh Shah.


... the Mohajir Mindset iteself is a very interesting Study , ....It has lessons for Other enthicities......

BJ Kumar #452, {``You are well aware that I REALLY try to help people – unlike others whose words amount to little more than hot air. :)) ``}

BJ Bhayya,
I agree that you are helpful - above the call of being a Good Samaritan. :) Your kind gesture of locating and forwarding my three lost articles is proof of your good intentions and kind attitude. Thanks, again.

Also, while I appreciate your proposal to ``promote`` me to higher office, I must decline with all humility and considerable reality. I am neither qualified nor balanced enough for such aspirations. Thank you, sir for your kindness. :)

BJ Kumar #458 {``An extremely important point which is almost always overlooked by many desis. The whole concept of a filibuster comes to mind! A simple numerical majority does not mean that issues do not get debated and fairness gets overlooked – in fact the smaller the margin of majority, the higher the level of debate! The American public likes it just that way! It is generally felt that giving too much power to politicians is an invitation to disaster.

And who can disagree with that line of thinking – especially if one watches the subcontinental poltics! ``}

BJ Bhayya,
What clarity! What depth of understanding! Thank you for embellishing my point so well. :) I guess restraint from hard drugs has the opposite effect on you than Hamidum Sahib`s going on the wagon. :) Just say NO.

Sanatani #469 {``it is these people who coined the term Muhajir ... to identify with the original Muhajirs of the peadophile murderer as they were doing Hijrat for the sake of deen)
...Why am I bothering about Salim Chauhan I should bother about Anil and BJ and the other assorted traitors who are unable to see reality and will willingly sacrifice the motherland to slogans of secularism as Gandhi, Nehru and the other bunch of baastaurds did.
Salim katue jise gaal deni hai de I am out of this let me get our own houyse in order.
Fkk u u bunch of traitors and mullah lovers
Sanatani
Anil ma ke lover kabhi haath lag gaya to tere jism ke ethnic or sectarian division jaroor karoonga``}

Dear Mr. Sanatani,
Thank you for your contribution, but please, could you keep the display of Punjabi style of interaction to a minimum? We have a diverse presence here on Chowk FP and some people may not recognize your affliction as an ethnic handicap. :)

Your rhetoric is right out of the ``Sword of Truth`` website frequented by right-wing Hindutva types of the BJP/RSS/VHP/JS/SP/BD/SS persuasion. The constant hatred against Gandhiji, Nehru Sahib, Congress, and Muslims is so monotonous that it eradicates any small residue of ``truth.``

I am surprised that Pakistani Punjabi and Sindhi Muslims are agreeing with your definition of Mohajir as being inspired by the ``pedophile murderer.``>/b> Now we know the true sentiments of aquaris, HP, and others. :(