With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

Re: # 643

So am I,


you missed the word `` Allege ``


just for you info...

My father was born in Calcutta, and my granfather was a bussinessman in Madras, and his brothers , there were 7 of them, had bussiness as far as Peshawar, Dehli, and Dadu , present Sind, beside Lahore and Karachi.


so don`t try to compartmentalize Me, into your stereotypes.

Re: # 642

your denials are understandable...



and response , typical.

I think what Bulleya is talking about .... though he has messed it up... is that Sindhis, Balochis and Pathans have not reached the sufficient Bourgeoisie levels that are required for a modern democratic state...

I think it is more true of Punjabis than Sindhis though...

Mohajirs, Bengalis and Sindhis... were always way ahead of the Punjabis in their intellectual and political development...

#647 by bulleya

``Granted, the intellectual capacity of Sindhis and Baluchis and Pathans has not reached a stage where they can engage in intelligent discourse (or even non-intelligent discourse),``

Hard to tell if this is sarcasm but if it is not, then this is the most blatant stereotyping one can witness on this site.

Chowk is a small time net magazine and I seriously doubt that 99% posts or 99% articles on this site have some intellectual merit ( barring Mine, of course!). In fact, if chowk is the barometer then I am afraid you ain`t seen nothin.

Btw, can you name me one yes, one intellectual giant that has come out of Urdu speaking from Karachi or even in India? The last mohajir literary or intellectual giant was Ghalib. Since then all you can do is count pygmies elevated to god by minions.

FarzanaVarsey #364: I missed your reply in the stream of so many other replies to this thread. While I appreciate your loyalty in defending your Urdu-speaking predominantly Muhajir elite second cousins, who dominate this site (as the rest of us non-Muhajirs toil away in an intellectually proletariat non-existence), I must point out the inconsistencies in your reply to my factually correction accusations:

``Funny! But not quite right…Chowk management is one half Urdu, one half Punjabi; mostly it is Starbucks Americanese.``

...This, of course, is not true.....Name one pure Pakistani Punjabi in Chowk mgmt (not to mention, one Sindhi, Baluchi or Pathan)....Granted, the intellectual capacity of Sindhis and Baluchis and Pathans has not reached a stage where they can engage in intelligent discourse (or even non-intelligent discourse), but certainly us Punjabi speakers have some intellect. It may be limited, but it is there......Are not the greatest Urdu poets of the 20th century all Punjabi speakers - Faiz and Iqbal to mention a few........

The current and past top mgmt/writers of Chowk is as all Muhajir/Karachi - Saima Shah, Safwan Shah, Umair Khan, Shandana Minhas, Beena Sarwar, Bina Shah, etc. etc........Even the token Punjabi, NHK, actually lives in Karachi........and Ferozek is half Karachi........Not to mention Karachi`s very own Kipling, temporal.......Hiding behind Punjabi and Pathan names like Minhas, Shah and Khan may disguise their Muhajir/Karachi identities to many, but not to everyone.......

``Dost-mittar is already a featured writer.....Veeresh too is a Punjabi, but not the ‘pure’ one…``

Vereesh, we all know, is there for his good looks and not for his Punjabi-ness - pure or impure.......He is the eye-candy which attracts non-intellectuals to this otherwise mediocre looking Muhajir mgmt of Chowk.........

As for Dost-mittar, all I can say is that this is what it had to come down to......80% of the Punjabis of the world reside in Pakistan........Out of the remaining, 15% are Sardarjis, who as we know are even less intellecutally inclined that us Punjabi-speaking Pakistanis (hence they can neither be management nor writers).......This leaves 5% Indian Punjabis.......So out of all the Punjabis in the world, the only two Chowk mgmt could find were Indian Punjabis.......What about Urstruly?.......Why not him?.......Even a broken clock is correct, twice a day...........

The Muhajir mgmt of Chowk could not find a single Pakistani Punjabi to be featured, but found two in India!!!

``Which brings us to ‘across the border’…am glad you have nothing against me.``

Yes, I have nothing against you.........However, I am still curious regarding the passage of the torch from the Urdu-speaking mgmt of Karachi to the Urdu-speaking mgmt. across the border........The ultimate insults to the Sindhis, Pathans and Punjabis on the right side of the border........

``And just to remind you. Something called ‘Jasmines in Colorado’ written in July last year by Umair Raja, a non-mohajir, non-resident Pakistani still spreads its fragrance on the front page!``

Yes, much like Danish Kaneria is a member of the Pakistan cricket team and Condeleeza Rice of the Bush cabinet.......A sole token symbol to hide the Urdu-speaking/Muhajir/Karachi elite biases that those of us living on the wrong side of the ethnic railroad tracks (be it in Toronto, San Jose, or Chakwal) are being told to be satisfied with........Surely, it would not be on the front page, had the main character not been from Karachi........She was originally supposed to be a Punjabi from Lahore..........How in the world could a girl from Karachi be so good looking?.........Hence, I must confess, I was forced, in a moment of weakness, to sacrifice the integrity of my pen, for the seductive lures of fame and fortune......thereby making the main character a Muhajir to play to the egos of Chowk`s Muhajir/Urdu speaking mgmt.........Lo and behold, the story ends up on the front page, when other betters ones with Punjabi references never made it..........

I don not think Mohajir term was started just in 70`s.......I guess it goes way back to the era of Partition................


#600, Zeena,

Thanks, I knew Salim was bluffing..

Almost missed this exchange between bulleya and FarzanaVersey.

#231 Bulleya,
``Who are the Pakistan featured writers on Chowk?........All Muhajirs...``

#364 FarzanVersey,
``Funny! But not quite right...``

The featured writers may be ethnically diverse but are ideologically uniform.
They are all left-of-center secularists.

You can have any color as long as it is ...... pink.

BJK,
Thank you for your appreciation. I wish you a restful and peaceful time off. Spend it well. :)

#634, aquaris {``some allege, that it was MQM`s own doing, to Create FEAR of Survival, and hence Coerce the undecided Mohajir polity, which was skeptic after the First Jalsa of MQM at Nishtar Park, where for the first time, Open display, and not just display but massive
Aerial `Firing , with the AK-47 took place.... about MQM. ``}

Aquaris,
I am really very disappointed in you. Now you are sounding exactly like the Serbs. First they hit Sarajevo`s market place when innocent people had lined up to buy bread. After the heavy mortar attack, with pools of blood everywhere and dead, injured bodies sprawled all over the square, the Serbs` spokesman claimed that the Bosnian Muslims hit their own community just to get international sympathy.

Sir, eventually the Serbs lost and all their cruelty, hypocrisy, and lies are there for all to see. Even Serbs in Belgrade now acknowledge the sins of their extremists. If it can happen to Serbs in Belgrade, it can certainly happen to Punjabis in Lahore. :)

Re: # 634

Lies after lies, and you lied:

{some allege, that it was MQM`s own doing, to Create FEAR of Survival, and hence Coerce the undecided Mohajir polity, which was skeptic after the First Jalsa of MQM at Nishtar Park, where for the first time, Open display, and not just display but massive Aerial `Firing , with the AK-47 took place.... about MQM}

Reminds me of the American lies and deciets in Baghdad, they kill thousands and then blame the Iraqi people or journalists.

Having seen hundreds of casualties myself I find your description of events as malicious and reprehensible, worse than the abusive langauge used by some interactors, if people can be banned on chowk for using abusive langauage and people can be imprisoned for denying the holocaust then u bedichotsmorons like u need to be bhambood with mirch masal and no oil.

#640 Godot

I am ``duty-bound`` not to talk, so I will see you after the ban period is over - or after qayyamat - whichever comes first!

I hope for the latter!

Re: # 639
abay bjk - i keep telling you i am not godot - tujhay kya nightmare hai bay

Salim mian,

Thank you for an entertaining read and some funny (and a few very witty) remarks! It has been fun!

Ciao!

(PS: Mian Godot knows that I still have that great picture. And forever shall! To cherish and admire - and there is nothing he can do about it!)

:) :) :)

#635 Godot

Perhaps I need to pull up the ``retouched`` version of your picture again, mian Godot.

Sure, it will earn me another one of those bans from your buddies in the chowk-staff gang! Who cares.

The last ban was sure worth it!

It is kind of fun to see you squirm, and lick IT up!

Lick it ALL up!

#635 Godot

Yaar, the laugh is on you!

The ``smart`` fellow - who does not list his name.

But posts his picture instead!

And then expects this bunch of morons - the chowk-staff - to ``safeguard`` it!

For the chowk`s ``featured`` writer.

Such a coward!

#632

And Urstruly mian, in case it went over your head, the focus of my recent postings here was not the Chauhan but Chowk-staff.

YOU know chowk-staff!

Your keepers - who will ``keep`` you - when nobody else in the world would!

Who are constipated with the same greenshit that you have liberally sprinkled this site with!

For years and years!