With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

#598 by anil on April 16, 2007 9:22pm PT
{``Salim Sahib:
You should be complemented for the efficiency, tact and humor you have shown to manage this board. Your father-in-law must be very happy to find you to manage his business.``}

Anil Bhai,
Thank you for that wonderful compliment. My father-in-law should appreciate his good fortune. :) Right now he is just consumed by being a loving grandfather. :)

#594 Zeena {``Salim Mian Wow!!! Huge success!!! ``}

Zeena,
Thanks - The success belongs to the quality of discussion and the mostly polite exchange of views expressed here. Chowk FP is really a rewarding intellectual community.

#593 Dost Mittar {``salim:
Mohajirs in Karachi:
Could it be that Mohajirs went to Karachi for the same reason that most Indians go in Canada to Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. The first UP Muslims who went to Pakistan were the bureaucrats who were asked to go there to set up the new government. It would be natural thereafter for their relatives and friends to follow them to that city. ``}

DM Sahib,
Very good point. Perhaps, you are right. Maybe that`s also why the GoP moved the capital from Karachi to Islamabad - so close to the dangerous LoC in Kashmir. I guess the PPPs were more afraid of Mohajir domination than Indian aggression. :)

#592 by teshah on April 16, 2007 5:45pm PT
{``It`s a good portrayal of sheer mataruaa mentality with no ground under its feet. He could not differentiate even between `country` and `state`. Pakistan is not a country but a federation born at midnight of August 14, 1947, by the instrument of Indian Independence Act passed by the British Parliament. In 1971, the Eastern wing of this Federal State reverted to its country-hood to render Mataruaa mohajirs as stateless people lost in wilderness in consequence of their treachery with the sons of the soil.``}

Shah Sahib,
Obviously you are joining those who find it politically and ethnically convenient to blame the victims rather than the perpetrators. Your attitude is the exact reason why this Mohajir alientation will only increase. Please reconsider your bias using compassion, logic, and justice as your compass.

#588 aquaris {``heck I have Lived through that...!! ``}

Aquaris,
So did they and so did I. Perhaps you were with the oppressors. :)

Re: # 609

`` So did they and so did I. Perhaps you were with the oppressors ``

and according to your One of the earlier posts..

`` 4. Massacre of hundreds of Mohajirs, including children, at the hands of Pathan tribesmen in 1986 at Sohrab GoTh with no accountability, trials, investigation of murderers by Zia`s dictatorship.
``

.....I can see HOW ACCURATE YOUR INFORMATION IS .

..... for your kind info....

those Massacres occured NOT in Sohrab Goth, But Aligarh and Qasba Colony, in and near Orangi Town....!!

Qasba Colony incidently is 50% Urdu Speaking 40% Pathans and 10% Other ethnicities...and that is according to the CDGK......!!

..... MQM was to hold a Jalsa At Hyderabad, that Jalsa was supposed to start at about 5PM in the evening, ...... there was an alleged Clash between Mohajirs going to Hyderabad, via superhigh way for the Jalsa and Afghans , mostly drug lords, of AlAsif Square and Sohrab Goth.......

Rumours started of this clash being Bloody, ......info was sketchy, ..... yet it resulted in the Horrible , Massacres at Aligarh and Qasba colony, of the innocents..... later in the evening.......

...... some allege, that it was MQM`s own doing, to Create FEAR of Survival, and hence Coerce the undecided Mohajir polity, which was skeptic after the First Jalsa of MQM at Nishtar Park, where for the first time, Open display, and not just display but massive
Aerial `Firing , with the AK-47 took place.... about MQM.

Period.

..... for more info, please visit the satp`s and fas`s site, also HRC`s site, they have a lot of info on that....

Re: # 634

Lies after lies, and you lied:

{some allege, that it was MQM`s own doing, to Create FEAR of Survival, and hence Coerce the undecided Mohajir polity, which was skeptic after the First Jalsa of MQM at Nishtar Park, where for the first time, Open display, and not just display but massive Aerial `Firing , with the AK-47 took place.... about MQM}

Reminds me of the American lies and deciets in Baghdad, they kill thousands and then blame the Iraqi people or journalists.

Having seen hundreds of casualties myself I find your description of events as malicious and reprehensible, worse than the abusive langauge used by some interactors, if people can be banned on chowk for using abusive langauage and people can be imprisoned for denying the holocaust then u bedichotsmorons like u need to be bhambood with mirch masal and no oil.

Re: # 642

your denials are understandable...



and response , typical.

Re: # 650

By the Way..

The reason Mr Altaf Hussain, despite 100% control over the Govt of Pakistan, is afraid to come back, because he knows what he has sowen in the killing fields of karachi.

#587 aquaris {``and please acknowledge , the GREAT MOHAJIR Alienation is self inflicted, since it is confined to ONLY Two cities of this god forsaken country. ``}

Aquaris,
Perhaps the GREAT MOHAJIR ALIENATION evolved over a number of years and the following significant events combined to make it the behemoth it is today:

1. Gauhar Ayub`s state terrorism against Mohajirs resulting in many deaths
2. Peaceful and shameful surrender of Paki Army in East Pakistan with no provision for Mohajir ``razakaars,`` who bore the brunt of cruel Bengali vengeance.
3. Sindhi riots instigated by Bhutto`s campaign to punish Mohajirs for NOT supporting him in 1970/1971.
4. Massacre of hundreds of Mohajirs, including children, at the hands of Pathan tribesmen in 1986 at Sohrab GoTh with no accountability, trials, investigation of murderers by Zia`s dictatorship.
5. Army actions against Mohajirs in Karachi and Hyderabad in early 90s.
6. Continued suffering of ``stranded`` Mohajirs in Bangladesh at the hands of a shameless government`s refusal to repatriate them.

My friend, you can twist the facts all you want, but the truth and the chronology will always work against you. Thanks.

#605 by Yasser

Aww....so talking about Khilafat riles up Muslims but talking about shedding Hindu blood, whipping up paranoia against imagined Hindu domination does not? LOL!

Re: # 607

Harish mian,

As usual you are now resorting to what you know best... lying. But then that is to be expected from someone like you.

... is it any wonder that some people here buy ``nonsense`` without even having the ability to discern what is being said.

#597 by masanamuthu

ROFL.. Don`t you think Radcliffe / Mountbatten predicted the future so well that they knew ``Ahmadiyas are going to be non-Muslims`` and awarded the non-Muslim majority province to India.. :-)

Not just Radcliffe/Mountbatten, even Jinnah based his demand for Pakistan on what he foresaw for the future...he went to town about how Hindus would dominate Muslims and how the two communities could not live together..he whipped up paranoia amongst Muslims , who till then (barring a few riots now and then) had been living together with Hindus for hundreds of years.

Re: # 604

Oh yes... Jinnah - who you all claim wasn`t much of a populist- had a magic wand which he waved... and kaboom .... Muslims were riled up.

It had absolutely nothing to do with a Mahatma taking them down the rosy path of Khilafat or a famous Congress Maulana telling them to move to Afghanistan only to be humiliated ...

With such simplistic notions... which go against now accepted facts ... all history books without exception written after the Transfer of Power Papers reject this fantastic magic wand theory.

As much as I dislike BJkumar and his tactics, I condemn KPLD`s personal attacks on BJKumar... We must not mirror his tactics to defeat his lies.

BJkumar knows he is fighting a losing battle. No point giving him an excuse to distract the whole discussion. For all we know KPLD is BJkumar himself.