With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

#577 by Salim_Chauhan

“Your insensitive and cavalier treatment of Mohajir issues betrays your own considerable bigotry and hatred. We all know how you feel about the Pakistanis ``stranded`` in Bangladesh.”

So now that you have no answer to what I said about your so called issues, you start your trademark abuses. I don’t feel anything about people in Bangladesh you call stranded Pakistanis. If they are Pakistanis then every soul living in Bangladesh is Pakistani.

Btw, now that MQM has the power to make or break an administration in Pakistan, why those Biharis are still in Bangladesh? How much effort has MQM put in to bring them back? I have not heard a peep from MQM since they have taken over the Governorship in Sindh and some cities about those unfortunate people in Bangladesh.

Why can’t the all powerful MQM, that can collect Bhata allover Karachi and supports all the Mobile phone and car thieves in Karachi, bring those Biharis to Pakistan?

#593
Yeah! it is a natural process and thats exactly what happened. Bhawalpur and Rahim Yar khan in punjab have plenty of Mohajir as they were initially hired by the Amir or Nawab of Bhawalpur and their relatives followed them there. Those mohajir now speak excellent sariaki and adopted the culture( they still speak urdu at home) no one can tell the difference.

I don not think Mohajir term was started just in 70`s.......I guess it goes way back to the era of Partition................

anil

Yes, Salim has proved that he has the ability to keep this board cool. Ofcourse he has shown his calm, composed and collected attitude by engaging fully with all of us.

Most of the time, FP writers do not engage with their readers............

But, Salim took his precious time out and made this board a really vibrant and lively board.

Salim Sahib:

You should be complemented for the efficiency, tact and humor you have shown to manage this board. Your father-in-law must be very happy to find you to manage his business.

Mantolives:

2. Even after applying the principle to districts unconstitutionally, Congress` machinations keeping the Muslim Majority district of Gurdaspur in India (and you can`t call the Ahmadi card here because law is interpretted according to the period and not the subsequent changes thereto... and besides all Ahmadis voted in Pakistan`s favor along with Christians of Gurdaspur).

ROFL.. Don`t you think Radcliffe / Mountbatten predicted the future so well that they knew ``Ahmadiyas are going to be non-Muslims`` and awarded the non-Muslim majority province to India.. :-)

Re: # 597

It is a settled principle of law that disputes are settled according to the law in force and not future predictions.

Salim,

Nice try, my friend, but not even close to the truth. No, there was no attempt to emulate the Holy Prophet`s (PBUH) hijrat from Mecca to Medina or to make Ansaars out of the ``Pisser-e-Zameen.`` In fact, the word Mohajir (capital M) is vaguely traced to the 1970s and 80s, when the persecution of people of Indian ancestry gained momentum.


Is it true that ``Mohajirs`` as a term was started just in 70s??. It is hard to believe..

Salim Mian

Suppose, Altaf Bahyya becomes the next PM of Pakistan, what are the chances of HIm taking Pakistan to a level of a really progressive country, with low corruption, less feudals and more respect for an average Pakistani citizen?

Care to share.

Salim Mian
Wow!!!

Huge success!!!

592 posts and still the topic is the hottest of all the topics on chowk.....

Keep it up. Congratulations!!!

Unbelievable , just unbelievable...........

salim:

Mohajirs in Karachi:

Could it be that Mohajirs went to Karachi for the same reason that most Indians go in Canada to Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. The first UP Muslims who went to Pakistan were the bureaucrats who were asked to go there to set up the new government. It would be natural thereafter for their relatives and friends to follow them to that city.

Just a speculation on my part.

It`s a good portrayal of sheer mataruaa mentality with no ground under its feet. He could not differentiate even between `country` and `state`. Pakistan is not a country but a federation born at midnight of August 14, 1947, by the instrument of Indian Independence Act passed by the British Parliament. In 1971, the Eastern wing of this Federal State reverted to its country-hood to render Mataruaa mohajirs as stateless people lost in wilderness in consequence of their treachery with the sons of the soil. They behaved not as `Mohajirs` but as selfish `Ghus Bethie` who considered themselves to be the rightful owners and rulers of the Pakiland like Israelies in Palestine. Their agenda in East-Pakistan failed miserably with dire consequences for the Pakiland, but it is working well presently in the remaining part of the land because of its division in various ethnic entities and the huge headless machine called `Pak Army` being maneuvered by `M in Wardi`. As it is the Pakiland would ever remain at the cross road until it finds its true moorings, i.e., whether it is to remain a federation like earstwhile Soviet Union or to become a motherland (Watan or Des) equally for all its inhabitants like Russia or Bangla Desh, shedding off its Mohajar phobias and selfish agendas as we are almost all mohajirs with various timings of arrival in this world.

...also please read my #32 and #62



I am posting verbatum # 62

Denials
Abuse
Rheotorics......and more rheotorics...

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/publ.html

lists some interesting research papers..

Mohajir Demand

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

Mohajir Population

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-pop.html

How Mohajirs became Rich


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-rich.html

Discrimination against sindhi language


http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-sindhi.html

Who Ruled Whom by Paleejo

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/who-ruled.html


Entho politcs and contending Elites

http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/document.nsf/(httpPublications)/49E58DAD1F9390B680256B6500565470?OpenDocument

this is a United Nations Research Institute for Social Development Publication


But the relevant portion , was taken from

http://indus.usask.ca/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-dem.html

which is a part of the Sindh Democrats Group Petition ``Sindh Case``, a petition filed by Sindh Democrats Group to the Supreme Court of Pakistan in response to the MQM Constitutional Petition No 46 of 1994, claiming discrimination from the federal and Sindh provincial governments. It discusses Muhajir complaints at some length.



The relevant portion Para 8 Gives some interesting figures

8. MQM leadership and its suporters are only representative of 22.64% population of Sindh and 5% population of pakistan. This ``electoral representation`` of people who hold far more jobs (78% Government and 67.7% non-Government) than their due share (22.64%), most of whom come and go whenever they like from India, most of whom are illegal immigrants, have the temerity to demand, and then to kill and burn when such absurd demands are not met, only because, perhaps, one of their grandfathers waved a Pakistani flag 50 years ago in the streets of Junagadh.



These were also corborated by the Paleejo`s article , link for which is already given.



the full case along with its Judgement can be downloaded from here..

http://www.sanalist.org/Acrobat/SDG-CASE.pdf


it shatters many a myths.



before you dismiss, it as hot air again...

andOn Jamia hafsa Issue, I am with you, its a state , managed Affair, to divert attention from OTHER pressing problems.

#582, Aquaris,
My friend, please realize that you are refuting your own arguments with conflicting facts. First you state that the overwhelming majority of Mohajirs went to Karachi to take advantage of the empty capital city with evacuee property ready to be looted. Then you claim that a substantial number of Mohajirs settled in Punjabi cities and became assimilated - were the latter ones so obviously that stupid? Were the refugees arriving from East Punjab also so stupid as to NOT go to an empty capital with easy evacuee property waiting there to be taken? Come on, you are making no sense at all. :)

Amazing how great you are in reading the minds of young and old Mohajir women from Delhi, wearing their shuttlecock white burqas, greedily speeding toward the waiting trains to take them to Karachi where they can open the KSE and get rich by gobbling up evacuee property waiting there to be had. Aquaris, please stop this hot air, before we start calling you Vaporis. :)

Re: # 584

I have said earlier, 70% of the Mohajirs, went to karchi, the rest 30% , which again is a substantial Number , choose to remain elsewhere...


heck even Khanewal or Sahiwal, arranges for One of the most eagarly awaited, annual Musharia .

#581 Aquaris {``
PS it appears , you have no Idea of the ground realities, and all your information is based on .... secondary sources to the secondary sources...:}

Aquaris,
Let`s let some really informed people shed some light on this issue of Mohajir alienation. Aasif Bhai and NYcoolest have provided some very specific and factual information about Karachi, MQM, and the Pakistan Army actions during the terrible days of the early 90s. I have noticed that whenever these two have appeared, HP and Chacha Buttees have conveniently gone AWOL to avoid further embarrassment. So, please enjoy there posts from Unplugged - very relevant to our topic:


#20 by nycoolest on April 16, 2007 3:11pm PT
,,,MQM is not the only creation of dictator. PPP, PML-N, PML-Q and a long list to follow. Only when MQM try to break away with dictators and army started two operations against them, arrested and kill/encounter many and do huge propogenda against them under sarkari umbrella. The party supported by army don`t get such a `royal` treatment.

agreed with aasif, even lahore; the strong hold of Nawaz shareef showed no support for him, why would karachiites who suffered badly in his and bibi`s rule would come forward to support them when they need it the most.

It is shameful. Kidnapping and extra judicial murders must stop. The things you are claiming in punjab is what karachi wallahs were facing prior to musharaf rule since past 10 years. The large scale protest should come from where it is actually happening .... i.e Punjab and from the parties who are representing the people who are allegedly getting treated like this.. too bad topi dramas like Jamia hafisa is getting all the attention instead from the issues like these.

If the elected officials from PPP, PML, MMA etc are not doing the job, perhaps you guys need to look for MQM or create a reprsentation of your own intellectuals and middle class if mistrust of MQM is huge, to have your message go across.


#15 by Aasif on April 16, 2007 10:18am PT
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don`t expect karachiites to come out in support of elected dictators like besharif or budnazeer.. both unleashed campaigns of terror and extra judicial killings, kidnappings in karachi... using the army and the security apparatus of the kanjars...
the whole country was silent (actually it blamed mqm and it still does) then as it is now over the unjustified killings and kidnappings of `terrorism` suspects...
karachi for the first time in its history is getting some of the revenue it generates and the results are for ev1 to see...
mqm is anti military rule in principle but for now is playing its cards carefully.. that is all a minority party can do...
unlike ameer-ul-momimeen besharif who himself along with IJI a creation of the napak army.... and so was the feudal pseudo populist bhutto....
jamia qabza is a symptom of the lawlessness created by the feudal/army/ fundoo connection... and provides a good mauqa for some tamasha
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rule of law should be supreme but ground reality is quite different.. ``}