With or Without Musharraf – A Mohajir’s Perspective

#629 Urstruly

Yaar, you guys are full of that greenshit! However, at least you excrete it openly - unlike the people who run this site and most of its writers - who are highly constipated on it!

And always feeling VERY superciliously stuffy!

The current ``protest`` by MQM against the students of Jamiah Hafsa elaborates the game plan of Fauji dictatorship to counter the uprising of people to make Pakistan the Democratic Islamic Emirate. They will use ethnicity and liguistic chauvinism to fight Islam. That is going to be interesting. It is not that this method has not been used before. During the East Pakistan debacle they used sirkari moulvis to counter the Bangali ethnicity and lost. Then they used masses in the name of Islam for Jihad in Afghanistan and caused the collapse of a superpower. This time those masses are being countered by ethnic chouvinists. Interesting indeed.

#Chowk-staff

Dear chowk staff,

In view of your unmatcheable service in the application of chowk guidelines on this board - in your own way, here is a ``I LOVE YOU`` gram.

Enjoy. (Make sure you hold the nose, though!)

#626

Thanks for your concern, yaar! :)

#625 BJKumar {``Therein lies the utter hypocrisy of u and unohu! ``}

BJBhayya,
Forget about all the altruistic rhetoric, I am more concerned about your mental health. :)

#619

Salim, yaar, stop the foolish small talk!

This interactor needs no validation. Not from you, not from your string puller, not from the Papistani crowds, not from the Poop-like slimy Papistanis called ``chowk staff``!

I have not said anything about that ``chowk staff`` bunch of Papistani bastards that you have not said yourself (in your own way) before - so you know very well it is accurate!

But now you are trying to get into their ``good books`` - just like u-no-hu! So you pretend that I am talking less than sense.

Therein lies the utter hypocrisy of u and unohu!

#602 Manto

Thank you for saying the right thing here regarding the ``personal`` nature of some of the attacks. :)

I am sure you, and yours, represent fine human beings. Everything else about you could be improved vastly, of course! :)

However, I never hold my breath waiting for the brown globs of Papistani poops who own and run this site and who call themselves ``chowk-staff`` - to get anything right, or to do anything right - least of all to show any even-handedness in applying those ``guidelines`` - which they only reach for and yank out from ``down there`` just like the Papistani khakis yank out provisions of the 1973 (or other yearly) ``constitution``!

When THEY need it.

Strictly as per their ``doctrine of necessity``!

You know, that term the Papistanis have come to learn....

And love!

masanamuthu #618 {``I`m just amazed by the far-sightedness of Radcliffe / Mountbatten that one day Ahmadiyas would be stripped of their right to be called Muslims and could be arrested for greeting others in the proper Islamic way in ``Pakistan``.. And it is better for them ``non-Muslims`` to remain with India.. :}

Masanamuthu Ji,
I agree with you about Lord Louis being a regular Nostradamus. I was also amazed by Lord Louis Mountbatten’s clairvoyance in not investing in a useless burial plot when he knew that his own end would be quite liquid. :)

#617 BJKumar {``Mian Salim, stop kissing up to that utterly, absolutely, incompetent crowd of nincompoops called ``chowk staff``!
And to the ``biased to the core`` Pakistani crowds! That crowd is just as ``intellectual`` as brown poop marinating in its own ``juices``!
And enjoying its own ``taste``! ``}

BJ Bhayya`s post is another justification for the legalization of hard drugs. We need some standards here - the quality of hard drugs should not vary from shipment to shipment and thus cause this vacillation in BJ Bhayya`s altitude. :)

Mantolives:

It is a settled principle of law that disputes are settled according to the law in force and not future predictions.

I`m not denying that. I`m just amazed by the far-sightedness of Radcliffe / Mountbatten that one day Ahmadiyas would be stripped of their right to be called Muslims and could be arrested for greeting others in the proper Islamic way in ``Pakistan``.. And it is better for them ``non-Muslims`` to remain with India.. :-)

Re: # 618

Well obviously the wider Ahmaddiya community doesn`t seem to think so. The Ahmadis, despite the institutionalised discrimination against them, seem to think that they are better off here.

And who can blame them.... Admittedly... out of the 5500 sectarian deaths in the last 20 years... 79 have been Ahmadis. But imagine if ``the Non-Muslims`` had been ``Muslims`` in India... what was the number 3000 Muslims burnt alive in one day?

Ofcourse... the horrible discrimination against Ahmadis needs to be overturned... but that is not the basic point of discussion here.

Re: # 622, Mantolives,

Kis kis ke `discrimination` ko India ka havala dekar chhupaoge miyan? Bangalion ke, biharion ke, pakhtoonon ke, aurton ke, ahmadiyon ke, sindhiyon ke, mohajiron ke?

India ka havala dekar apni sakh kyon dubote ho, bhai? Hamen chain se rahne do. Allah miyan ke fajal se ham yahan maje men hain.

Khudahafiz

Samar

#612

[Chowk FP is really a rewarding intellectual community. ]

Mian Salim, stop kissing up to that utterly, absolutely, incompetent crowd of nincompoops called ``chowk staff``!

And to the ``biased to the core`` Pakistani crowds! That crowd is just as ``intellectual`` as brown poop marinating in its own ``juices``!

And enjoying its own ``taste``!

#595 by Zeena on April 16, 2007 7:41pm PT
{``Salim Mian
Suppose, Altaf Bahyya becomes the next PM of Pakistan, what are the chances of HIm taking Pakistan to a level of a really progressive country, with low corruption, less feudals and more respect for an average Pakistani citizen?
Care to share.``}

Zeena,
The chances of Altaf Bhayya becoming PM of Pakistan are slim to none. Having said that, I reiterate that we must NOT look to one person for our solutions. We should have ALL the valid parties (I firmly believe that ``religious`` parties should not be allowed to participate in politics as religious entities) present their plans and agendas. The people of Pakistan should be allowed to select their leaders through fair, open, and universally-validated elections.

But, the first thing these parties need to do is to introduce democracy into their own processes for selecting their leaders. This applies to Altaf Bhai, Bezamir, and Besharif.

It is obvious from the MQM administration in Karachi, its branching out to the rest of Pakistan, and its well-publicized agenda, that MQM is for women`s rights, for education, for minority rights, against religious extremism, against feudalism, and against the domination of Pakistan by any one province. Thanks for your participation in this interesting discussion.

Dear Friends,
I am posting Mr. Hasan Mahmood`s excellent first-hand account of MQM`s beginning and some of the causes that resulted in its foundation. Also, please read why he thinks MQM supports the government against PPP and ML(N). This is from his post to Zeena on the ``Girls Gone Wild`` article by Shandana:




#1631 by hasanmahmood on April 16, 2007 10:42am PT
Zeena,
The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don`t agree with. ~Eleanor Holmes Norton
It has been a pleasure to disagree with you. Just one more thing. You asked
``If, MQM is or would have had been sincere in it`s actions then why they never set such rallies against corruption in Pakistan? why never done anything against corrupt feudal lords?``
Despite me not liking Altaf Hussain, I do like what MQM has to say, especially about the feudal system and Woman`s Protection bill. In order to understand what MQM is we have to see how it evolved. MQM was formed by Altaf Hussain and Azeem Tariq (very intelligent person – allegedly murdered by Altaf due to power struggles) during their university days because of their stand against religious extremism and feudal lords. My father was the registrar of the university so I was living in university campus and was very close to everything. The party started because of the so-called “ghunda gardi” by Punjab Student’s Association and Jamat-e-Islami when they started harassing women and beating up male students. The main ideology of MQM was always to fight against feudalism and religious extremism. I was a member of MQM since my college days. In the middle bad times came because Altaf had no good advisor and he made some terrible decisions. That changed after educated people floated to the top. Now the party also stands up for Women as well as against Feudalism.
Now the second part as to why MQM supports Musharaf. The true answer to this question is because MQM is a Karachi party. During the Benazir, Nawaz tenure people who suffered the most were Karachiites. On one hand they were brutally murdered (Benazir’s action in Hyderabad when 1200 people died in one night) and on the other they were treated with utmost contempt by Nawaz Sharif. They had to beg for everything including money and resources. Everyday 100000 people come into Karachi. Would you know how many actually go back? The answer is not many. Anyway, finally there was a leader who was from Karachi, and was willing to let Karachi use its own money to develop itself. Finally there was a guy who did not put his cronies in every institution of Karachi. During Benazir and Nawaz, Karachi (which never used to sleep) actually used to close down at 7 pm because of the illegal activities going on. The city was in a horrible condition, roads dilapidated, no new businesses, and no resources (as everything was being used by everyone else from other provinces). People used to get their travel documents ripped up at the airport (personal plus I have heard a lot of close people rehash their stories) by these political party supporters. There was no law and order. On one hand Zardari did not have the guts (political smartness) to do these things in Lahore (as PPP needed Punjab), and on the other Zardari was destroying Karachi. He was called Mr. 10 % for a reason. That is why you will see people (MQM) supporting this government because no matter what anyone else thinks, this government has finally realized the Mohajir contribution. But that does not mean that MQM never goes against the government. Below are some links as examples.


http://www.paktribune.com/news/print.php?id=162220
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?162220
www.mqm.org/news-2006/news-2006.htm
www.dawn.com/2002/10/09/nat27.htm
www.aaj.tv/news/news.php?pg=3&show=detail&nid=49718

#599 by Zeena on April 16, 2007 11:03pm PT
anil
Yes, Salim has proved that he has the ability to keep this board cool. Of course he has shown his calm, composed and collected attitude by engaging fully with all of us.
Most of the time, FP writers do not engage with their readers............
But, Salim took his precious time out and made this board a really vibrant and lively board. ``}

Zeena,
I truly appreciate your kind words and the support and encouragement you have provided for such a long time. Thanks. This forum was particularly enjoyable because of the wonderful attitude of the interactors - pro and con. Did you know that what you are calling my ``engagement with the readers,`` some on UP (yes, the gang of scouts) are ridiculing as ``hogging`` the forum. Sometimes, there is no pleasing people who are determined to be permanent detractors.