Talibanization of Pakistan

Re: # 132

so what is an errant `l` between friends .............

yal`all,

from irfan ahmed`s column in dawn :

`` Democracy is about elections. Islam is about selection.” He went on to elaborate that ignorant people did not know what was good for them, and therefore the educated elite had to show the way.This was in response to the reporter when he remarked that Islamic parties in Pakistan had never won over 13 per cent of the popular vote. And this is the paradox: fundamentalists benefit from democratic freedoms wherever they are available to them, and use them to impose their reactionary agenda on society. And wherever they do not get their way, they complain that they are being denied their democratic rights. If and when they achieve power, they deny their opponents these very rights at the first opportunity. For them, as Maulana Ghazi was frank enough to admit, democracy is irrelevant.``

Re: # 130

GT,

.... i hope the world has seen the last of the neville chamberlains and this time it will not wait till it is too late - we don`t need another holocaust .............

Re: # 122 by zeemax:

``Do not make it more harsh than it has to be, otherwise it will.``

Zee:

The world is concerned, but not scared ....... not yet. Let us hope, for the welfare of all of us, that the world does not get scared.

Paki 12 year old excels at IT, Islamic Terrorism...

Jihadist Video Shows Boy Beheading Man

Apr 20 02:24 PM US/Eastern
By ABDUL SATTAR
Associated Press Writer

KILI FAQIRAN, Pakistan (AP) - The boy with the knife looks barely 12. In a high-pitched voice, he denounces the bound, blindfolded man before him as an American spy. Then he hacks off the captive`s head to cries of ``God is great!`` and hoists it in triumph by the hair.
A video circulating in Pakistan records the grisly death of Ghulam Nabi, a Pakistani militant accused of betraying a top Taliban official who was killed in a December airstrike in Afghanistan.

An Associated Press reporter confirmed Nabi`s identity by visiting his family in Kili Faqiran, their remote village in southwestern Pakistan.

The video, which was obtained by AP Television News in the border city of Peshawar on Tuesday, appears authentic and is unprecedented in jihadist propaganda because of the youth of the executioner.

Captions mention Mullah Dadullah, the Taliban`s current top commander in southern Afghanistan, although he does not appear in the video. The soundtrack features songs praising Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar and ``Sheikh Osama``—an apparent reference to Osama bin Laden, who is suspected of hiding along the Afghan-Pakistan border.

kaal,

it is easy for you to be sanguine and nonchalant about islam - unlike grandpa gopinath, your great grandpa had the foresight and the testicular fortitude not to convert to this horrible condition inspite of the ignominy of dalithism and the pain of vegetarinism ....... please show some sympathy for those of us who are going to pay with our lives for grandpa`s lack of spine ..........

#126 by kaalchakra,

Zee, you obviously know! :)

Yes I know :) I said it just for the heck of it .... After all, I can`t know everything .... let them believe that ...

IMHO, being put in this situation is just punishment to munafiqs. :)

Yes. At the same time, it is reward for the believers ..

Have a nice weekend ...

Cheers!

``I don`t know why people equate anything to do with Islam in Pakistan as `Talibanization`.``

Zee, you obviously know! :)

But just as somethings are seen better from inside, a few may seem clearer from a distance.

A theory is that a lot of people (in Pakistan at this time, mostly) are scared out of their wits of Islam. They believe Islam will upset their well-furnished applecarts. So, they want to demonize it.

Yet Islam`s power to move the public and its unwavering attraction to the common person is not lost upon them. So (leaving aside a few lost cases) the rest dare not utter the feared name. Everything to do with Islam except whatever serves their current interests (and hence their own interpretation) has got to be talibanism, wahabism, or some other ism - anything that will let them sleep unharmed.

IMHO, being put in this situation is just punishment to munafiqs. :)

Re: # 124

``Jizya`` is another example of Arabic traditions practiced before arrival of Muhammed and now has become a part of Islamic injunctions.

#121 by Urstruly,

I stand corrected Urstruly. I didn`t know Jizya was in return for the exemptions you listed. Thanks for the detail of which I was unaware.

No. I don`t think it`s a bad deal at all. So Jizya is compulsory in an Islamic State.

Agreed! Noone can deny it if they don`t have to go for Jihad in return for ten meals per family per year...

Re: # 94

Zee Sahib,

{....mix Arab traditions with Islamic edicts?

Like what? An example will help }

Examples:

1. Change or adoption of Arabic names
2. Shariat laws that were primarily based upon medieval arab traditions
3. Azaan and Salaat in Arabic, 80% of the Muslim world has no idea what is being said
4. Adoption of Arabic attire
5. Arabic cultural invasion or imposition in other parts of the muslim world.

Below is an honest comment:

I don`t know why people equate anything to do with Islam in Pakistan as `Talibanization`, even as the title of this article suggests. That was Afghanistan, this is Pakistan. There`s nothing common between the two movements nor the environment in which these were/have been initiated

My appeal to the Pakistani Civil Society therefore stands. Please. Make use of some common sense. The Islamic juggernaut is on, and gaining momentum every single day.

Do not make it more harsh than it has to be, otherwise it will.

Rgds

Re: # 120

A little correction there....

There is no if, and , or but on the Jiziyah Tax that non-Muslim subjects are required to pay. It is compulsory. In return they get constitutional parity (as detailed in my post below), exemption from compulsory military service i.e. Jihad, and conduct business that no Muslim will be allowed to run e.g producing and selling liquor, running interest-based business etc. For the cost of 10 days of meal per year per family, I do not think it is a bad deal at all. For example, US government has set a minimum daily meal allowance at $12 per day. So if at $120 per year per family US government allows Muslims to establish Shriah courts and practice islamic wedding and inheritance laws, I do not think it is a bad deal at all.

#118 by hamidm2,

Look. Let`s be honest here.

... the whole world knows what the taliban did to their women ..

We`re not talking about Taliban which was a tribal cultural phenomenon anyway mixed with Islam. We`re talking about the Hafsa rebellion which happens to be initiated by `women`. Or didn`t you notice?

.....and the state of women in saudi arabia .........

It`s not that bad there either but don`t worry about Saudia. They`ll take care of themselves. Worry about Pakistan.

...after the international outrage, were asked to carry a yellow card in their pocket ...... they were also asked to hoist a yellow flag on their house .....

But no distinctive clothing as you claimed. Above is true nevertheless. It is also true that if minorities begin to conspire and become a threat to the State, they will be at the very least made to do what Taliban did, or at the worst meet the same fate which Muhammad brought upon Banu Quraiza and Abu Bakr brought upon the apostates by wiping entire tribes out and enslaving their women and children. No question about that.

.....as for the tax, dhimmis were forced to pay the tax during the time of the abominable four who you want to emulate ......

That was then, and this is now. We don`t need their taxes anymore. Just their allegiance.

...... and as far as i know cat stevens and junaid jamshed gave up regular music to take up beating the duff and crooning lullabies

Firstly, this is factually incorrect. Both still sing regular music from time to time. Secondly, they both sing what they want. It`s their choice. Noone forced it upon them. Or did anyone? Whom?

... also i don`t think there were cinemas in taliban afghanistan or in today`s saudi arabia....

I don`t know about the above two countries, but there will be in Pakistan because of cultural differences. Just that there won`t be any western propoganda or cultural invasion or lasciviousness. That`s all.

Hope you got it now :)

Zeemax,

not to belabor the obvious but you are being disingenuous and decietful - typical traits of mullahs and used car salesmen

``Sharia law is right now in force in the entire Malakand/Swat as well as the entire FATA. Plus, there`s a `Hasba` Force established by law in Peshawar. I haven`t heard of any woman being beaten. Have you? `` ...... yes i have, and i have also heard of barbers being beaten and shaven men being disgraced ...... and they have been on a rampage to prevent women from going to school without `proper` attire ....... the whole world knows what the taliban did to their women and the state of women in saudi arabia .........

``Were any of the large Afghan-Sikh community during Taliban rule made to wear distinct clothing or to pay dhimmi tax? `` .... yes .... the hindoos were asked to stitch a yellow patch on their clothing and later, after the international outrage, were asked to carry a yellow card in their pocket ...... they were also asked to hoist a yellow flag on their house ..... and as for the tax, dhimmis were forced to pay the tax during the time of the abominable four who you want to emulate ......

...... and as far as i know cat stevens and junaid jamshed gave up regular music to take up beating the duff and crooning lullabies to al-lah and his prophet (pbuh and his camel) ... also i don`t think there were cinemas in taliban afghanistan or in today`s saudi arabia


.......... political islam is a totalitarian ideology worse than nazism and communism because it claims to have divine sanction .......... tehsin abbasi might cluck like a chicken but he ain`t no chicken little ...........