In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth

#330 by echoboom,

Oh man.... and I`ve only listened to part 1 yet ...

``Kuj tey dusso badshao .... mein wi naee chaddan ga ... kinnian galaan kaddo gey .. Mirza to bohtian? Assi wi sunan noon bethey aan. Dasso Badshao .. jhoota si key naeen? ``

Brilliant.

Do you think the caller is referring to the following prophecy?

Mohammadi Begum

Mohammadi Begum (or Muhammadi Begum) (death 1966), a lady from the Punjab region of India, was the daughter of Mirza Ahmad Baig, who was a cousin of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (the founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement).

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had sent a marriage proposal for Mohammadi Begum in fulfillment of what he claimed to be divine instructions delivered to him in one of his visions. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also prophecised certain consequences if the vision was not fulfilled.

This prophecy served to be a point of controversy and contention between followers of Mirza Ghluam Ahmad and his critics. The critics claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad`s intentions were to marry Muhammadi Begum because of her alleged beauty and her father`s wealth. While Mirza Ghulam Ahmad`s followers claim that Muhammadi Begum was neither beautiful nor wealthy[1] and the intention behind the proposal was related to reforming Muhammadi Begum`s family who were turning away from Islam. The critics also claim that Mirza Baig was a devoted Muslim, and hence had repeatedly refused to wed his daughter to who he believed to be a non-believer.[2] Mirza Ghulam Ahmad`s followers claim that Mohammadi Begum`s family was openly absuive towards Islam and the prophecy containing the proposal was remedial in nature.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad`s repeated assertions that his marriage to Mohammadi Begum was ordained by God never fulfilled. He said: ``The Almighty God has told me that I should send a marriage proposal to the elder daughter of a Ahmad Baig; he has also ordered you to accept me as your first son in law and derive light from my knowledge and wisdom. Furthermore, I am to inform you that I have been granted the permission to execute the deed of the land you are interested in and bestow upon you additional land and other favors, provided you wed your daughter to me. This is the only treaty between you and I.
So, if you accept, I will accept this too. If you do not accept, then God has ordered me to warn you that -- in case the girl is married to someone else -- it will not be auspicious for you or her.``and, ``As a token of the Almighty’s favor to this humble person, Allah has ordained that, should Mirza Ahmad Baig refuse to wed his elder daughter to me, he will be considered Allah’s enemy and a disbeliever (Kafir). Additionally, as a punishment for his disbelief, Mirza Baig will die within three years of this refusal and any other man who marries Muhammadi Begum will die within two and half years of the date of his wedding. Muhammadi Begum is destined -- by the almighty Allah -- to ultimately become my wife.``

Moreover, he said:

“I am making not one, but six predictions: (1) I will be alive at the time of the wedding of Muhammadi Begum (2) Mirza Baig will also be alive at the time of the wedding of his daughter (3) Mirza Baig will die within three years of the date of the wedding (4) The Groom will also die within two and half years of the date of the wedding (5) Muhammadi Begum will remain alive until she becomes my wife (6) Despite disagreement of all her relatives, she will finally marry me.``

However, Muhammadi Begum married an orthodox Muslim, Mirza Sultan Ahmad. They lived together for forty years after Ghulam Ahmad`s death in 1908. Mirza Sultan Ahmad finally died in 1948 and Muhammadi Begum died in 1966, decades after Ghulam Ahmad`s prophecies.

#330 by echoboom,

Echo can you post that video again? Just so that Sattar saheb can tell us what Mirza Saheb is `actually` saying which I misheard!

#327 by sattar2,

If I recall correctly, you accepted that Islam has room for superstition … as it is designed to appeal of a wide spectrum of people ...

No. You recall incorrectly. I had said `mythology`, not superstition. Superstition is when you don`t go to work if a black cat crosses your path.

You need to end your obsession with 600 light years and stuff.

I have no such obsession. Issa in the sky and speed of light and 600 years is what your Mirza Saheb spent an entire lecture upon trying to prove Qura`an wrong. Watch that video that echoboom posted. Or are you too embarassed to do that?

Regards.

Zeemax!

Someone called the Mirzai Head Quarters in London asked the bigwig there some questions.
this is the real recording while the caller was live on-air on the radio show.

warning:
The following program contains ....etc etc. Listener discretion is advised.

Enjoy!

The conversation starts very politely & friendly the fun starts at 4.03 minutes. total 10 minutes...part ONE

The Mirza Comedy show -Part ONE

Mirza Comedy show--Part TWO

This is their headquarters & Sattar 2 type is answering.

Re: # 327

What is point after all...???

Issa in skies or buried somewhere...??? Wats importance of this issue...???

zeemax … and btw, you misheard and/or misunderstood what Mirza Saheb supposedly said. Are you sure you are not making this up?

Apparently kaal is not the only one with his head screwed on backwards.

My faith in Islam is not at odds with science; so pardon me if I fail to take your ramblings seriously. But I am willing to eat my words if your Issa finally descends from above the clouds! Until this happens, you have little to make your case …

... so continue packing your suicide belt. And don`t forget to do a trial run before the actual deed ...

zeena (#320),

I have a nick? Are you feeling alright? Perhaps 5-time-daily head-banging is taking its toll on you.

You find Darwin irrational, but seem to be ok with Issa-in-the-sky!
What more can I say?

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zeemax (#324),

If I recall correctly, you accepted that Islam has room for superstition … as it is designed to appeal of a wide spectrum of people (read “idiots”).

You need to end your obsession with 600 light years and stuff. Just stick to reading Maudoodi … and Isaa will descend from skies, any day now …

#324 zeemax
[[[Sure. Right after you confirm what Mirza Saheb was getting at was that Issa couldn`t be in 4th Heaven because it was impossible in 600 years given the speed of light, but landed in Qadian instead after a stopover in Kashmir 1800 years later, and that is perfectly scientific. ]]

LOL...

# 241 by Zeemax

[...] -- What`s your ultimate point? Or do you have conclusions which you would perhaps deem appropriate to share with us? I mean ... with your arsenal you can clobber anyone with solid arguments on BOTH science AND philosophy, but are these just for argument`s sake? Or is there something else? Are you getting at something which you will eventually tell us? -- [...]

hmm. Yes, I have to tell many things. I have a small circle of listeners as well. Yesterday, my one article was discussed with zoologists at Radio ``Open Source``.

Discussion can be listened at following link ... in the second segment, near the middle of hour.

http://www.radioopensource.org/new-zoology/

My following article was discussed:

Some Differences of Human and Animal Mind.

Regards!

#301 by sattar2 re #284,

Admittedly, superstition is part of your Islam. No?

No. Belief in the supernatural is. Perhaps you call it superstition.

We can then discuss Miraj, Moses parting the ocean, and Jesus raising the dead. Deal?

Sure. Right after you confirm what Mirza Saheb was getting at was that Issa couldn`t be in 4th Heaven because it was impossible in 600 years given the speed of light, but landed in Qadian instead after a stopover in Kashmir 1800 years later, and that is perfectly scientific.

Regards.

#290 by FarzanaVersey

...all knowledge is seeking...

Oh ... I thought all knowledge was seekhing .... :)

#299 by khuram,

....ab iss ka naam pata bhi to batao na!...

Yaar all are the same. Mandira Bedi. Cricket sari wali bhi aur t-shirt wali bhi aur the matronly masi bhi.

Tareef os Khuda ki jis ne inhein banaya

Indeed :)

#307 bjkumar sahib

I hear yeah....

Yes, I have noticed this change in you lately...Thanks for your good words....

To you your belief, to me mine....

Lets agree to disagree on this.....No hard feelings.

#306 sattar2 sahib aka aishaM sahiba( your other nick)
My Islamic studies class did make every sense to me. I found all Islamic teachings rational, so why would I leave my class then?

I found Darwin`s theory irrational, so, there you go and your irrational argument.......

You lost it....you`re just clueless and confused...but, that`s not new....as always, you hate every thing about Islam and then you force others to follow your POVs.....LOL

You`re quite rational, man/woman.....just think about it.

sattar2 aka AishaM( your other nick)

[[#314 by sattar2 on May 1, 2007 1:10pm PT

re #313,

... when I have it, it is faith.
When others have it, it is blind faith ...]]

You never made any sense, except for this post.....guess what in the past I lost all hopes.......but, all of a sudden you came up with this post......Well, I must admit that this is excellent post by you...........

On same note...

You should respect for my faith, which you call blind faith......

Regards......

fair enough

Re: # 309 Farzana,

Guess its time we called the truce and retreated to our corners then. No harm done.



#302 by hamidm2
Re: # 298

........... the last time God did it the people beat the crap out of him and then crucified him ........... if he showed up today they would lock him up in an insane asylum or kids woud chase him down the street shouting ``pagal e oye



Remember that the people against him, were not atheists, but `god believers` of another variety - the jews! Interesting that Jesus got a taste of the venom he himself had introduced.

What an argument about son and father!

Why, even Muslim Umma calls itself `Farzandaane Touheed` (sons of of the very oneness) collectively.

They say God once appeared on a road in the Central London. He introduced himself as God to every one but nobody gave Him any lift. It was only when he told them that He was the father of Jesus Christ that all showed any reverence to Him.

In fact, as a matter of necessity, the man has to create his own `make believe` world to give meaning to this life which even in the words of Qura-e-Hakeem is `Mataaul gharoor` (dhoke ki tatti), nothing but a fraud.

Just think young boy blowing him up as a suicide bomber and an old man, Sher Paao, claiming that God has saved him from death in the recent blast in Charsaddah, Pakistan.

How paradoxical, both relying on the same MB!