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Re: # 173

A common person who just follows the golden rule is a far superior moral being to a mullah follower who is full of fear for the eternal punishment in the after world.

#175 ballukhan
Please, re read my post #173 with open mind and open eyes......and then you`ll ralize what I am conveying?

There is no such thing as Mullah follower in my post # 173. If, you read my first line you will get my message loud and clear...........

That`s the reason I do not like to interact here with majority of interactors, they either do not read my posts, or if they do they always either try to twist my posts or misunderstand what I wrote??????


Anyway, If I am a believer and believe in a religion. That does not make me a mullah follower.......

I do not see any difference between pseudo Mullahs and atheists.........Both are imbeciles.......

I do not need any mullah to teach me how to follow my religion...I am a common , humble and poor soul with an average mind who knows exactly what is wrong and what is right morally?...Who loves God(Almighty) selflessly , who prays and seeks help from God(Almighty) on daily basis............

And trust me I am not a Mullah........

#174 teshah and # 175 ballukhan

(((#175 by ballukhan on April 26, 2007 8:47pm PT
Re: # 173

A common person who just follows the golden rule is a far superior moral being to a mullah follower who is full of fear for the eternal punishment in the after world.]]]]
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[[[[#174 by teshah on April 26, 2007 8:04pm PT
Re: # 100

Zeena

You say:

``Some non-Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and cruel God who demands to be obeyed fully and is not loving and kind``.

Does it not mean that there are different gods according to different faiths who are kind to their believers and stern and cruel to non-believers? But why, of all, you have come out in support of the Islamic god, dear zeena, when you know the Islamic god is allegedly cruel and stern to the female gender?]]]]

Well, Sirs.....

It looks like both of you are free thinkers and are against religions and exculsively Muslims......

Anyway, here is my personal experience here on chowk.con. on Front page.....In the past I have always disagreed with Mr.Urstruly( a strong believer and Muslim).......This great Man has never ever uttered a single word of abuse for me. Rather Urstruly always respected me......And I am impressed with his manners and finesse with me........He is cool and he can take heat of any level @ any board with decency...................

But, the moment I disagreed with some of you on OTHER BOARD( Jamia Hafsa) , majority of these Non believers , free thinkers, smart eiltes of chowk, intellectuals and literate interactors started cyber harrassing me by personal attacks, personal remarks, name calling...they tried their best to belittle me as much as possible...........including a female of chowk who started extreme personals attacks.

Just look @ the following post by this interactor teshah from Jamia Hafsa board....who calls himself a non believer and is trying to teach me a MORAL lesson........LOL.....

[[[#1414 by teshah on April 11, 2007 6:56pm PT
Re: # 1352
majumdar

It is useless to argue with Zeena. She has gone berserk like a hot female dog and could have been satisfied only by the famous Mullah of Mardan who had a penis with an extraordinary size. She is veritably the Phoo-lan Devi of the Pakiland who could not find her Vikram and being unable to rape men like men do to women has become extremely frustrated and sex-starved. She is biting all around like a mad female dog. May God help her.]]]


My whole point of posting this post here is to make ballukhan and others realize that , if, I have to follow Mr.Urstruly`s moral attitude here on chowk, then certainly this person is the best example of Morality......He is a believer in God(Almighty) and he strongly believes in morality and he knows how to apply his morality here on this web site.......where majority of free thinkers( non believers) are unable to take the heat of any discussions and take No seconds to harrass other strangers without even realizing that there is always God(Almighty) who will get back to them sooner or latter.................

This is the set example.................

These non believers(free thinkers) are NOT my role models here on chowk that I follow their pathways, either........

And also Chowk staff who is so very eager to publish all these retarded articles on front page against Pakistan and against religions is NOT a role model either...........

They are free thinkers...But, they are unable to follow interact guidelines themselves.....they let all kinds of abuse against me happen on other boards.......

Why? b/c they are also Non believers.......they do not have fear of God(almighty)....
Why the following post never got filtered? Why the interactor who abused me still is roaming around lecturing me for moral grounds?..........LOL

They are questioning God(Almighty)`s existence......? LOL.......This is a big joke.....This site and it`s double standards...................

[[[[[#1414 by teshah on April 11, 2007 6:56pm PT
Re: # 1352
majumdar

It is useless to argue with Zeena. She has gone berserk like a hot female dog and could have been satisfied only by the famous Mullah of Mardan who had a penis with an extraordinary size. She is veritably the Phoo-lan Devi of the Pakiland who could not find her Vikram and being unable to rape men like men do to women has become extremely frustrated and sex-starved. She is biting all around like a mad female dog. May God help her.]]]

If You do not believe in God(Almighty), don`t ....If you do not believe in religions , don`t....I do not have any problem with it.

But, the problem begins when these free thinkers are unable to self discipline and start lecturing about Moral values.........their moral values are based on cyber harrassing others , till other person agrees with them.............So, who is fanatic here? So who is extremist here? So, who is stupid here? so who is fundamentalist here?


I believe I am quite clear......Thanks

<<< If God is Absolute then can God create a stone so heavy, that even He wouldn`t be able to lift it >>>>

Mian, if you plagiarize absurd questions from Russell, cite the reference, or at the very least copy the question correctly. The question in its original form talked about ``If God is Omnipotent`` and not ``If God is Absolute``. The question is inherently flawed, it is similar to saying ``A square, a circle``. When a thing is a square it means it is not a circle. So nothing, not even God can claim a square, a circle, comprendey?

In the Quran you will never find a claim saying `` God can do anything``, that would imply that he could become a rat and thus seize being God. Such a feat God cannot accomplish based on his ``nature`` as God. On the contrary, the Quran says, ``Over all things, God has power``- which logically is a completely different concept. That implies that no such thing can exist over which he does not have power``, similar to saying that a square cannot be a circle. Another flaw in the question is that it attributes human qualities of strength and our understanding of weight (which is relative), to God who is different to any creation and thus not subject to such equivalence.

In #179 read << and thus seize being God >>> as << and thus cease being God >>

# 170 by Khurram

Sorry, I could not get intended analogy even after reasonable ser khapai. Shall be thankful if you explain.

Zeena Bi,

I am sorry to see some persons using abusive language against female interactors. I do not intend to show any disrespect against you or your faith in the almighty. I was only making a point that EVEN if some one displays great faith in the almighty and claims to follow the sunnah, but breaks the secular laws, that are based upon the golden rule, would NOT be considered as a morally superior being in the modern world. In fact they would be liable to punishment and penalties. The prime example being all those mullahs who claim to be true believers and conspire to kill and terrorize innocent citizens the world over - even their peity does not absolve them of their depravity and criminal liabilities.

Re: # 181

Perhaps ... you might be talking like who was before the first being like God... etc. etc.

I personally think that this universe cannot be like infinite period old. It can happen that time might not had any existence before the start of time. I had explained in another of my interacts that time cannot exist in complete empty space. Time started with the emergence of material objects. And material objects cannot be infinite period old. Its proof is that if material objects are infinite period old, then it means that up to our time, an infinite period of time has been passed. But as a matter of fact, infinite period of time cannot be ``passed``. Only a finite time period can be ``passed``.

In this connection, Aristotle considers ``matter`` and ``form`` to be eternal. Matter without form or form without matter is just meaningless. Such a separate existence of form and matter could be the characteristic of that early universe when time didn`t exist.

According to Aristotle, the unification of matter with form is equivalent to ``movement``. The first ever such movement required a ``Prime Mover``. Aristotle has conceived this ``Prime Mover`` as a Non-Physical and perfectly Abstract entity.

That Abstract Entity, with the context of our modern knowlewdge, could be the ultimate form of ``attraction`` between matter and form. This attraction might had remained in operation but without any significance, in that early universe where time didn`t exist.

Time started when that ultimate attraction first significantly affected separately existing matter and form and so first ever unification of matter and form emerged.

Whatever are the characteristics of existing universe, are the ultimate outcome of that ultimate attraction, which acted as ``Prime Mover`` at the start of Universe,,, and must be functioning right now as well.

Regards!

#152 by GT Re: # 132

First Urstruly and then you! All you closet HINUDS. Wait till masadi sees what you have written!

Sigh ... GT, what I said in #132 (as also earlier on another board) meant that everything is God`s, while in Hinduism everything is God. What`s a little apostrophe ... right?

#154 by kaalchakra

... (zee, is that put accurately?)

Well actually, I had said Kufr, not Shirk .... Shirk is really mild stuff :)

#182 ballukhan
Re:-
[[The prime example being all those mullahs who claim to be true believers and conspire to kill and terrorize innocent citizens the world over - even their peity does not absolve them of their depravity and criminal liabilities.]]]

Exactly, this is the main point I am trying to make as well, but, in a different tone....

My whole point is , If, a believer breaks chains of morality in any sense, either by harrassing others,killing innocent beings or terrorizing others is NOT considered a believer.Then he/she becomes NON BELIEVER( free thinker).......just think about it.

Believer is not just to say that you believe in one God(Almighty), believer is to have a love of God(Almighty) and to have love of all living beings(the creation of God)...

Believer is to follow all the moral values via self disciplining...

Once you break this self discipline, you are no more believer.............you are free thinker...........even if you claim that you are religious or you are believer.................thanks

Re #181 khuram,
I was just pointing out that whenever something relative is referenced it implies something absolute.

Re: # 182, ballukhan,

...in short, if you are nice you should look nice too.

Samar

Hey guys, my dear senior members of Chowk,

Here is a poem.


To think about God is to disobey God,
Since God wanted us not to know him,
Which is why he didn’t reveal himself to us…

Let’s be simple and calm,
Like the trees and streams,
And God will love us, making us
Us even as the trees are trees
And the streams are streams,
And will give us greenness in the spring, which is its season,
And a river to go to when we end…
And he’ll give us nothing more, since to give us
more would make us less us. (Fernando Pessoa)

Samar

Re: # 184 by zeemax,

Zee:

Well, if that is what you mean then you are not a HINUD, pardon me. Actually, I remember your earlier assertions. So there must have been a typo when you stated ``God IS the Universe ... ``. And this is what surprised me.

On a different note, you see there are many questions the answers to which we do not know. However, it may be that we know that the answers are different. In such cases, we know something about the answers (otherwise how could we differentiate). So this darned ``do not know`` thing is a bit difficult to define also!